Re: McNabb's agents take aim at the Shanahans, Mike responds...
 

[quote=Mattyk;772091]Good post.

It's funny that Skins fans have become so used to the drama queen players getting their way around here. The fans scream for change, but when it finally comes they resist just as much as some of these crybaby players. For years peopled have wanted a no nonsense, my way or the highway kind of leadership style in here. Now that we have it, it's all [IMG]http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i318/JVM485/Avatars/smiley_cry.gif[/IMG] I don't like this now.

DM simply wasn't playing well at all, he should have been benched after the Detroit game. Amazing that after not having started a game since 2008, Grossman of all people is able to step in and do 2 things DM hasn't done all year, throw 4 TDs and put 30 points on the board.

DM is a great guy and I really wanted it to work out for him here, but if it doesn't and someone else can step in and perform at a higher level, get his ass outta here and let's move on. All this BS about respect, or crying about they didn't cater the offense to me, just totally rubs me the wrong way. It's an obvious ploy by DM's agent to get him outta here sooner rather than later.[/quote]

Not too many people will argue with that. It's the way in which DM has been handled - specifically the Detroit game - and what we gave up to get him that's so disconcerting.

I don't think anyone is going to argue that he was playing really well.

Re: McNabb's agents take aim at the Shanahans, Mike responds...
 

[quote=GMScud;772092]That's a fair point, in a vacuum. But these are the Redskins- a team with a history of shipping off desperately needed draft picks for old [B]vets. A team that was coming out of two years of circus-like coaching/organizational moves. A team that needed sound personnel decisions and a steady QB. [/B]

Shit does indeed happen. Year after year. That's why this is getting so much attention. The Shanahan regime was supposed to bring a departure from this sort of stuff. As of yet, no dice.

Sure, Redskins Park no longer hast the country club mentality, but can you really say a whole lot more about Shanny/Allen thus far?[/quote]

That was probably the reason why they went after DM.

Re: McNabb's agents take aim at the Shanahans, Mike responds...
 

[quote=GMScud;772089]Well, the knee jerk reaction of benching him in the Detroit game, and then the totally pathetic "reasoning" Shanahan came up with- he wasn't in "cardiovascular shape" to run the 2 minute drill, Rex knows it better, etc etc. That was a huge blunder IMO.[/quote]

Yes agreed. That was the start of the dumb sh*t. If Shanny and FO feel like McNabb is not a good fit the best moves would have been:

A) Shouldnt bench McNabb in the final drive and come up with lame ass excuse

B) Should have let McNabb finish out the season as the starting QB

Look we all know McNabb isnt back next season and we all know what we got with Rex. Rex didnt need to get evaluated, thats horse sh*t.

We should have let McNabb finish out in both above situations and in the offseason quietly put him on the block to other team for a 4th or 3rd round pick. McNabb can still play and teams ALWAYS are looking for a QB....San Fran, Seattle, Minnesota for sure........Possible QB upgrades: Tennessee, Raiders, Buffalo, Carolina...

We might have to cut him now the way Shanny waved a huge red flag saying he's not gonna be here next year. Not smart at all

Re: McNabb's agents take aim at the Shanahans, Mike responds...
 

Newsflash, Shanahan is not without flaws and he's made his share of mistakes over the years, along with quite a bit of success as well. Not even one full year in and some seem to have their minds made up that Shanahan can't get it done.

Hilarious.

Nobody said turning around this Titanic of a franchise was going to be easy. Years of mediocre play, dishing out big paydays, and inmates running the asylum is going to take some time to get reversed and on a new track.

Re: McNabb's agents take aim at the Shanahans, Mike responds...
 

[quote=Chico23231;772096]Yes agreed. That was the start of the dumb sh*t. If Shanny and FO feel like McNabb is not a good fit the best moves would have been:

A) Shouldnt bench McNabb in the final drive and come up with lame ass excuse

B) Should have let McNabb finish out the season as the starting QB

Look we all know McNabb isnt back next season and we all know what we got with Rex. Rex didnt need to get evaluated, thats horse sh*t.

We should have let McNabb finish out in both above situations and in the offseason quietly put him on the block to other team for a 4th or 3rd round pick. McNabb can still play and teams ALWAYS are looking for a QB....San Fran, Seattle, Minnesota for sure........Possible QB upgrades: Tennessee, Raiders, Buffalo, Carolina...

We might have to cut him now the way [B]Shanny waved a huge red flag saying he's not gonna be here next year.[/B] Not smart at all[/quote]

When did he say that? Last I heard MS didn't close the door on him returning.

Re: McNabb's agents take aim at the Shanahans, Mike responds...
 

As much as some may not like the agent's "complaining"....it actually benefits 2 parties.
1. McNabb...it may stabilize his value to other teams.
2. The Skins...the crappier Shanny looks like as a coach, the higher trade value McNabb could have due to perceived misuse...

I say...the more controversy, the better, if we intend to trade him.
In this case..the more bad news...the better for the Skins.

Re: McNabb's agents take aim at the Shanahans, Mike responds...
 

[quote=GMScud;772094]Not too many people will argue with that. It's the way in which DM has been handled - specifically the Detroit game - and what we gave up to get him that's so disconcerting.

I don't think anyone is going to argue that he was playing really well.[/quote]

MS could have handled the Detroit benching better, sure. He should have just said DM hasn't been playing well so we were looking for a spark from Grossman. I think everyone could have lived with that explanation.

Why he tossed out the silliness about him not being in shape, who knows. MS isn't known for being a slick handler of the media, and often he would be better served by just saying less. But we didn't hire him to be a PR guy, we hired him to win football games. I'll live with all the PFT type of tabloid drama as long as he gets this thing turned around.

Re: McNabb's agents take aim at the Shanahans, Mike responds...
 

[quote=Mattyk;772098]When did he say that? Last I heard MS didn't close the door on him returning.[/quote]

Sure I dont think he will come out and publically say McNabb will not be here next season...but the Kelly Johnson inteview b4 the previous game Shanny when asked if it was a mistake to bring McNabb here he said something in the way of "sometimes things dont work out like you plan them." I dont take that as a vote of confidence for McNabb returning. He didnt say No its wasnt a mistake or he plans on McNabb contributing to this team in the future. I think the contract we gave him is another indicator. I feel he's chancing of returning to the Skins is in the 10-20%. I think serious damage has been done with Shanny's choices he has made in McNabb returning. McNabb is personally going to say the right things, he always has. I think his agent though is speaking exactly how McNabb feels.

I think McNabb can still play in this league, on a high level? questionable...with Shanny and Kyle as his coaches?...very unlikely

Re: McNabb's agents take aim at the Shanahans, Mike responds...
 

[quote=Mattyk;772097][B]Newsflash, Shanahan is not without flaws and he's made his share of mistakes over the years, along with quite a bit of success as well.[/B] Not even one full year in and some seem to have their minds made up that Shanahan can't get it done.

Hilarious.
[B]
Nobody said turning around this Titanic of a franchise was going to be easy. Years of mediocre play, dishing out big paydays, and inmates running the asylum is going to take some time to get reversed and on a new track.[/B][/quote]

As to the first point- sure he's had successes and failures. What coach/GM hasn't? My point is, to have his first big move as our HC/Personnel man be such a failure at such a high price at the most important position... well, pretty darn bad start.

As to the second point, is anyone saying he can't get it done? He just hasn't gotten off on the right foot.

Re: McNabb's agents take aim at the Shanahans, Mike responds...
 

[quote=Mattyk;772098]When did he say that? Last I heard MS didn't close the door on him returning.[/quote]

I think what Shanahan said is he "can't guarantee that McNabb will be back next year." But let's be honest, at this point hell will freeze over before McNabb takes another snap for us.

Re: McNabb's agents take aim at the Shanahans, Mike responds...
 

In the end it just seems like the Redskins everytime just get the worst end of everything. Nothing ever seems to work out for us. Injuries, trades, draft picks, even going back to when Sean Taylor died it's been a nightmare since.

Re: McNabb's agents take aim at the Shanahans, Mike responds...
 

With our luck to McNabb will go somewhere else next year and tear it up haha.

Re: McNabb's agents take aim at the Shanahans, Mike responds...
 

[quote=Schneed10;772021]I don't mind the my way or the highway approach. Shanahan's nothing if not decisive.

McNabb has given us the deep ball this year, that's about it. [B]He's slow in his drops away from center, DEs are usually turning the corner by the time he's at the top of his drop.[/B] He's as erratic as ever on the short throws, skipping them at the feet of receivers. He's not making his reads fast enough. And he's lost quite a bit of mobility.

I see why Andy Reid didn't mind trading him within the division.

I don't fault Shanahan for this decision whatsoever, and could care less how McNabb feels about it. What sucks is that QB guru Shanahan couldn't see that McNabb was done BEFORE making the trade for him.[/quote]

Glad you pointed this out... when I was watching the game Sunday, I was trying to figure out what looked so different about the pace of our offense. This is nail on the head for me.... Grossman was MUCH quicker getting away from center, giving him the chance to read the defense much earlier.

Good call.

Re: McNabb's agents take aim at the Shanahans, Mike responds...
 

Ya know - - there is more than enough blame to go around in this goat rope.

Here is what bothers me...

If there were adult supervision around Redskins Park, the adult would put a stop to this kind of nonsense - - quickly and permanently. This kind of nonsense is reminiscent of the spats between Al Davis and various folks - - including one Mike Shanahan by the way - - where the entire franchise looks ridiculous in the eyes of people in the NFL and around the NFL.
[INDENT][B]Memo to Fletcher Smith, Donovan McNabb, Mike Shanahan, Kyle Shanahan:[/B]
Grow up.

[B]STFU.[/B]
Have a nice Holiday Season.[/INDENT]

Re: McNabb's agents take aim at the Shanahans, Mike responds...
 

Luck, Locker or Gabbert?

Re: McNabb's agents take aim at the Shanahans, Mike responds...
 

Seriously, I'm starting to lose a lot of respect for Donovan McNabb. I mean, having his agent come out and take aim at the coaching staff is ridiculous. He needs to face the facts that HE has not played up to his potential here in Washington. The Shanahans require 110% effort, and DM just hasn't given such. I know there are fans here who never want to place blame where it belongs (mostly player execution of plays) but it all boils down to McNabb just not making the grade. Other than the deep ball, he hasn't shown us anything better or different than what we had with Jason Campbell.

Sure, I put blame on Mike Shanahan for how he handled the Detroit game, but in the bigger scheme of things, Mike realizes bringing Donovan McNabb on board was a big, epic fail, at least for this season.

Re: McNabb's agents take aim at the Shanahans, Mike responds...
 

[quote=SirClintonPortis;772026]Shanahan the coach's decision is not a bad decision, [B]although reducing him to "scout team" dude is kind of excessive.[/B]
Shanahan the PR guy and GM deserve marks of "needs improvement".

Some fans should realize that the younger Shanahan is less patient than them. :D[/quote]


You got your facts wrong. Donovan volunteered to run the scout team. McNabb was not told to run the scout team by either Shannahan.

Re: McNabb's agents take aim at the Shanahans, Mike responds...
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;772027]Mike wants players that produce on the field, Donovan wasn't producing therefor he was benched twice. I like 5 and always have but he was very poor in about 10 games this season.. Maybe Kyle just can't get along with him idk but [B]I did find it a little odd that Rex got more screens and short passes last week.[/quote]
[/B]


That's because they had to neutralize the Cowboys rush up the middle. It is what it is. There's no conspiracy against McNabb. Donovan is way too laid back to play in this offense. Let's move on.

Re: McNabb's agents take aim at the Shanahans, Mike responds...
 

[quote=GMScud;772024]Agreed. Shanny's only signature move thus far has been a gigantic fail on many levels- giving up such important picks to get McNabb, the week 8 benching and ensuing joke of an explanation, and the recent McNabb fiasco. Really piss poor.

And the Haynesworth saga. Shanny really looks pretty bad right now. He needs a few years to see if he can work his thing, but this year was embarrassing.[/quote]



Obviously, you are a Mike Shannahan fan. I would applaud any coach that displaces his starter because he does not feel the starter is getting the job done.

This is a game of making moves with your roster to better the team, not a game of being politically correct. If Donovan leaves at the end of this season, he will make roughly $3 Million big bucks. Please, bench me and let me move on.

Re: McNabb's agents take aim at the Shanahans, Mike responds...
 

How was this handled poorly? What is the NFL coming to when you can't bench a QB for poor performance?

I don't give a shit what Mcnabb has done in Philly. He hasn't done shit here, and it's not only because he doens't know the offense.

-His drop from center is slow as dog shit. He litereally gets to take a look at 1-2 reads before he's sacked, and that has to do with the Oline, but it also has to do with his drop from center.

-He underthrows alot of WR's. Armstrong should have atleast 2-3 more TD's this year, but has had to come back for the ball or go off his route to make a nice catch.

How many times against Dallas to our WR's actaully catch the football and was able to run for 3-7 more yards after the catch?

You never see that with Mcnabb.. He always throws it low, and our WR's have to catch it and fall to the ground.

Re: McNabb's agents take aim at the Shanahans, Mike responds...
 

I don't expect the Shanny to be here on Jan 1 2013. The off the field developments have been a total joke, and the on field developments aren't the best, with a few nice exceptions like Armstrong. Shanny and the FO should have known DM wasn't a good fit before the trade, so the whole drama should have been avoided altogether. We got our GM, but I think we were sold a total bad bill of goods with him. Our draft sucked bad. Hopefully they have a high learning curve and 2011 will be much better, if not, my prediction about Jan 1, 2013 will be a lock.

Re: McNabb's agents take aim at the Shanahans, Mike responds...
 

[quote=GMScud;772017][url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/donovan-mcnabb/donovan-mcnabbs-agent-blasts-t.html#more]Redskins Insider - Donovan McNabb's agent blasts the Shanahans[/url]

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/12/23/mike-shanahan-responds-to-fletcher-smith/]Mike Shanahan responds to Fletcher Smith | ProFootballTalk[/url]

I was surprised there wasn't a thread on this yet.

I get what Fletcher Smith is doing. And I hear what Shanahan is saying. McNabb has said all the right things, but his agent works for him. If he didn't want Smith saying those things about KS and MS, Smith wouldn't have.

The Shanahans have blundered seriously this year. My way or the highway is okay to an extent, [B]but you have to blend that kind of style with deft management of personalities (see New England. Same attitude, no leaks, no malcontents).[/B] And in that department, we have failed. They've acted like stubborn jerks at times this year, with ego prevailing.

I was hoping the Skins were finally being run by adults. I'm still not so sure. The dysfunction this year seems just as bad or worse as in year's past.[/quote]


This is football, not some popularity sport. If Donovan leaves, so what? I would rather have a coach realize his weak spots on the team and take action. Let the coach set the theme, not the players, media or political correctness.

Re: McNabb's agents take aim at the Shanahans, Mike responds...
 

[quote=juskins;772128]Obviously, you are a Mike Shannahan fan. I would applaud any coach that displaces his starter because he does not feel the starter is getting the job done.

This is a game of making moves with your roster to better the team, not a game of being politically correct. If Donovan leaves at the end of this season, he will make roughly $3 Million big bucks. Please, bench me and let me move on.[/quote]

Try reading a few of my posts. Thus far I'm on the fence with Shanahan, but never did I say McNabb didn't deserve to be benched. My issue is and has been all along the way Shanahan has explained his benchings, and how much we gave up to get McNabb.

And McNabb is a crybaby for letting his agent make that statement.

Re: McNabb's agents take aim at the Shanahans, Mike responds...
 

[quote=juskins;772131]This is football, not some popularity sport. If Donovan leaves, so what? I would rather have a coach realize his weak spots on the team and take action. Let the coach set the theme, not the players, media or political correctness.[/quote]

How does this in any way relate to my post that you quoted?

Re: McNabb's agents take aim at the Shanahans, Mike responds...
 

[quote=juskins;772131]This is football, not some popularity sport. If Donovan leaves, so what? I would rather have a coach realize his weak spots on the team and take action. Let the coach set the theme, not the players, media or political correctness.[/quote]

If all you care about is bettering the team, how about your dear god Mike Shanahan utterly destroying the trade value of his players? And Andy Reid got rid of McNabb without this "burning the entire bridge" ****wittery between player and coach.

And seriously, you're a guy who believes that Allen really called the shots on McNabb and Shanahan just followed along because there was "no better option"? There is ALWAYS an option to simply give up a couple years to stockpile the roster with young guys to build a core, and then pounce on a young QB when the time is right.

Allen has always been a subordinate who just makes sure they don't violate the salary cap and the like. Gruden called the shots in Tampa with regards to talent picking, and Shanahan has been calling the shots for his entire in Denver, and he doesn't play second fiddle to anyone.

Lastly, McNabb's physical skillset ( at least in the past) does appear to fit what Shanahan wants out of his QB. He wants a mobile and a big armed QB because of his frequent use of play action bootlegs and deep balls.

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And separately, thanks for correcting me on the other post.

Re: McNabb's agents take aim at the Shanahans, Mike responds...
 

The NFL is sort of a mix of politics, hollywood, media and sports. The coaches cannot coach according to their own schemes gameplans etc... without the other parts trying to interfere with it.

If I was a coach, I would play the best players. McNabb wasn't getting it done, and I would have sat him disregard of his illustrious history with the Eagles.

If he didn't play within the scheme like tempo, feet placement, reads and all other stuff coaches look at, and the backup did those things better - I would do the same thing. F all the other BS like 'respect for a vet QB', I would want to evaluate the backup and see if he's worth more than dog poop, and apparently he is.

When a HC is afraid to rock the boat in order to improve this team, he should step down. I see alot of skins fan calling for a change in HC, I guess some people want us to go back to a team being run by players, media, fans, owner etc... - the old country club.

Re: McNabb's agents take aim at the Shanahans, Mike responds...
 

[quote=firstdown;772074]Or because he seems to bounce those balls to the WRs.[/quote]

Well.....there's that

Re: McNabb's agents take aim at the Shanahans, Mike responds...
 

[quote=Hamoskinz;772141]The NFL is sort of a mix of politics, hollywood, media and sports. The coaches cannot coach according to their own schemes gameplans etc... without the other parts trying to interfere with it.

If I was a coach, I would play the best players. McNabb wasn't getting it done, and I would have sat him disregard of his illustrious history with the Eagles.

If he didn't play within the scheme like tempo, feet placement, reads and all other stuff coaches look at, and the backup did those things better - I would do the same thing. F all the other BS like 'respect for a vet QB', I would want to evaluate the backup and see if he's worth more than dog poop, and apparently he is.

When a HC is afraid to rock the boat in order to improve this team, he should step down. I see alot of skins fan calling for a change in HC, I guess some people want us to go back to a team being run by players, media, fans, owner etc... - the old country club.[/quote]

The benching itself is not the problem, it's airing out the dirty laundry such as him will to have McNabb return as a backup.
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Re: McNabb's agents take aim at the Shanahans, Mike responds...
 

[quote=GusFrerotte;772130]I don't expect the Shanny to be here on Jan 1 2013. The off the field developments have been a total joke, and the on field developments aren't the best, with a few nice exceptions like Armstrong. Shanny and the FO should have known DM wasn't a good fit before the trade, so the whole drama should have been avoided altogether. We got our GM, but I think we were sold a total bad bill of goods with him. Our draft sucked bad. Hopefully they have a high learning curve and 2011 will be much better, if not, my prediction about Jan 1, 2013 will be a lock.[/quote]

You are a total idiot!!! Comments like this make me scratch my head.. Lets start over again with a new coach, and new system every couple of years because it works so well..

Re: McNabb's agents take aim at the Shanahans, Mike responds...
 

[quote=Brody81;772145]You are a total idiot!!! Comments like this make me scratch my head.. Lets start over again with a new coach, and new system every couple of years because it works so well..[/quote]

He is predicting something. He's not proposing something. "I expect something to be so and so" means something different from "I want something to be so and so in the future".

Re: McNabb's agents take aim at the Shanahans, Mike responds...
 

[quote=GMScud;772135]Try reading a few of my posts. Thus far I'm on the fence with Shanahan, but never did I say McNabb didn't deserve to be benched. My issue is and has been all along the way Shanahan has explained his benchings, and how much we gave up to get McNabb.

And McNabb is a crybaby for letting his agent make that statement.[/quote]


He's the Head Coach and can say and do what he sees fit. If you are on the fence, its because you are not looking at the overall picture regarding being competitive in this division. Most of the teams in the NFL are hard-nosed and coached accordingly. A player, I don't care who he is, does not make decisions regarding his play on the field, and is subjected to the decision making of the head coach who does have the say so to change things up if the head coach has an idea of what is needed to make his offense work.

An example of staying too long with a QB who was not that good was Jason Campbell. Every coach since Gibbs gave him a free ride.

Re: McNabb's agents take aim at the Shanahans, Mike responds...
 

[quote=SirClintonPortis;772137]If all you care about is bettering the team, how about your dear god Mike Shanahan utterly destroying the trade value of his players? And Andy Reid got rid of McNabb without this "burning the entire bridge" ****wittery between player and coach.

And seriously, you're a guy who believes that Allen really called the shots on McNabb and Shanahan just followed along because there was "no better option"? There is ALWAYS an option to simply give up a couple years to stockpile the roster with young guys to build a core, and then pounce on a young QB when the time is right.

Allen has always been a subordinate who just makes sure they don't violate the salary cap and the like. Gruden called the shots in Tampa with regards to talent picking, and Shanahan has been calling the shots for his entire in Denver, and he doesn't play second fiddle to anyone.

Lastly, McNabb's physical skillset ( at least in the past) does appear to fit what Shanahan wants out of his QB. He wants a mobile and a big armed QB because of his frequent use of play action bootlegs and deep balls.

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And separately, thanks for correcting me on the other post.[/quote]



At the time of the McNabb trade, we all thought that he was a vast improvement over Campbell. Kyle knows how his play calling should be executed. In my opinion, Donovan is not always in the game. If he can run this offense but on occasions his head and body are elsewhere, then he is not the guy to run it. He may not be hungry enough. There are NO excuses for him. He should know better. Either come in and compete or let us find the right fix. This has nothing to do with GM vs HC. It's about winning and being competitive!

Re: McNabb's agents take aim at the Shanahans, Mike responds...
 

I have lost some respect for Shanahan. All of the leaks in the press really irks me and is not very classy. A coach is a leader of men, he is supposed to motivate them, not treat them like like shit and throw them under the bus because the theam has a losing record. When your leader is a bitch in the press, and leaking things even before the player is informed is weak. Makes me want to kick him in the baby maker.
Shanahan is protecting his son. He is inflexible and stubborn to a fault. He will never admit any mistakes or wrong doing. I can not respect someone like that. I do not care how many Sb's he won with Elway.
FRPLG said early on this thread that McNabb is not deserving or respect because he played well in Philadelphia not Washington. Well the same has to apply to Shanahan.
I want continuity and I do not want Shanahan replaced or fired. But I want him to be a good leader and not be a weasel.
I do however want Haslett and last ranked defense gone. The guy has never impressed me and I want a coach that brings more to the table.

Re: McNabb's agents take aim at the Shanahans, Mike responds...
 

[quote=GMScud;772136]How does this in any way relate to my post that you quoted?[/quote]



Head coaches and the teams they coach need one voice to make the calls that previous coaches lost their jobs because they went along with business as usual.

Your reference about NE being a good example of knowing how to mix kind words and deeds in handling these types of situations, reminds me of players in the past who played for NE complaining that they were lied to by the HC, recently, Randy Moss.

Re: McNabb's agents take aim at the Shanahans, Mike responds...
 

[quote=GMScud;772102]As to the first point- sure he's had successes and failures. What coach/GM hasn't? My point is, to have his first big move as our HC/Personnel man be such a failure at such a high price at the most important position... well, pretty darn bad start.

As to the second point, is anyone saying he can't get it done? He just hasn't gotten off on the right foot.[/quote]


Your first point is negated by the fact that it doesn't matter how he handled it. Maybe it was said as a pay back for the way Donovan has played. I, along with you and others, have no idea what may have been said in private conversations between the two of them. After all, the man has seen good and bad QBs and some that try to pull the wool over Shannahan's eyes. I think McNabb falls in the latter. What high price are you referring to?

This offense is about urgency and not about falling asleep.

Your second point makes no sense to me. Who gives a damn about how he says it - just say it! It's obvious to me that Donovan is not taking his audition seriously.

Re: McNabb's agents take aim at the Shanahans, Mike responds...
 

[quote=juskins;772149]At the time of the McNabb trade, we all thought that he was a vast improvement over Campbell. Kyle knows how his play calling should be executed. In my opinion, Donovan is not always in the game. If he can run this offense but on occasions his head and body are elsewhere, then he is not the guy to run it. He may not be hungry enough. There are NO excuses for him. He should know better. Either come in and compete or let us find the right fix. This has nothing to do with GM vs HC. It's about winning and being competitive![/quote]

I'm not sure what exactly this post is responding to?

It's clear you do not bother to distinguish between act of benchings, which are easily justifiable here, and the stupid leaks/explanations to the press such as him welcoming McNabb back as only a backup next season, which other experienced coaches don't leak out into the public. The media is going to spout nonsense, but Shanahan added his own fuel to the fire because he couldn't keep it to a terse "no comment" or a bit of generic cookie cutter praise such "they all just fought their guts out" and humiliated his quarterback while Andy Reid did not. The benching is not the big deal, it's the airing of dirty laundry to the media.

Re: McNabb's agents take aim at the Shanahans, Mike responds...
 

[quote=juskins;772153]Your first point is negated by the fact that it doesn't matter how he handled it. Maybe it was said as a pay back for the way Donovan has played. I, along with you and others, have no idea what may have been said in private conversations between the two of them. After all, the man has seen good and bad QBs and some that try to pull the wool over Shannahan's eyes. I think McNabb falls in the latter. What high price are you referring to?

This offense is about urgency and not about falling asleep.

Your second point makes no sense to me. Who gives a damn about how he says it - just say it! It's obvious to me that Donovan is not taking his audition seriously.[/quote]

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/donovan-mcnabb/kyle-shanahan-donovan-mcnabb-s.html?wprss=redskinsinsider]Redskins Insider - Kyle Shanahan: Donovan McNabb 'said he didn't say any of that'[/url]

Re: McNabb's agents take aim at the Shanahans, Mike responds...
 

[quote=juskins;772152]Head coaches and the teams they coach need one voice to make the calls that previous coaches lost their jobs because they went along with business as usual.

Your reference about NE being a good example of knowing how to mix kind words and deeds in handling these types of situations, reminds me of players in the past who played for NE complaining that they were lied to by the HC, recently, Randy Moss.[/quote]
Belichick doesn't publicly humiliate his players nor does he announce his hypothetical plans for the players to the public like saying I'll welcome player X back as a backup. The latter would weaken his leverage in negotiations with other teams for trades. They may feel bad that he let them go too soon and that they still could have contributed to the Pats success, but that's it. Just business.

Re: McNabb's agents take aim at the Shanahans, Mike responds...
 

[quote=SirClintonPortis;772159]I'm not sure what exactly this post is responding to?

It's clear you do not bother to distinguish between act of benchings, which are easily justifiable here, and the stupid leaks/explanations to the press such as him welcoming McNabb back as only a backup next season, which other experienced coaches don't leak out into the public. The media is going to spout nonsense, but Shanahan added his own fuel to the fire because he couldn't keep it to a terse "no comment" or a bit of generic cookie cutter praise such "they all just fought their guts out" and humiliated his quarterback while Andy Reid did not. The benching is not the big deal, it's the airing of dirty laundry to the media.[/quote]


Responding again to your same theme about Mike Shannahan showing bad taste in dealing with the benching of Donovan McNabb later on in the week instead of informing him in the earlier part of the same week of Shannahan's decision to go with Rex Grossman is a mute point on your part.

He is the head coach and can say and do what he wants to say, no matter what you and press think. I was surprise like many, but I did not consider it as a disrespectful move. After all, Donovan has disrespected the Redskins by pretending to be concerned about this organization. If he cares then learn everything about the nuances about this offense to make it work.

The story is not about Andy Reid or the media or the leaks coming out of Redskins Park. It's about improving the team.

I guess Shannahan is telling McNabb to kiss his ass. If Donovan does not want to play as he was billed up to be an upgrade over Campbell then sit and run the scout team, in other words, screw you Donovan. Shannahan will deal with him when the season is over.

Who gives a flying shit about the media. The media and people like you are flaming this nonsense. How do you think Sonny Jurgensen felt when he was benched? Or Vince Young? It does not matter who rides the pine but someone has to.

Re: McNabb's agents take aim at the Shanahans, Mike responds...
 

[quote=Schneed10;772021]I don't mind the my way or the highway approach. Shanahan's nothing if not decisive.

McNabb has given us the deep ball this year, that's about it. He's slow in his drops away from center, DEs are usually turning the corner by the time he's at the top of his drop. He's as erratic as ever on the short throws, skipping them at the feet of receivers. He's not making his reads fast enough. And he's lost quite a bit of mobility.

I see why Andy Reid didn't mind trading him within the division.

I don't fault Shanahan for this decision whatsoever, and could care less how McNabb feels about it. What sucks is that QB guru Shanahan couldn't see that McNabb was done BEFORE making the trade for him.[/quote]

wcnabb is not done he just is not as good as he was sucks for us