Re: 79 Mock Drafts: Sam Bradford still Redskins projected choice
 

All right, I know I put this in another thread but this is the "Sam Bradford" thread so I thought I would bring it here also so all could see. Especially if they are interested in him. The writer did an evaluation then was looking at another player and found that Sam impressed him in the video he was reviewing so he did a second review on Sam. Look at the "Bottom Line- Take 2".

[url=http://www.thehuddlereport.com/huddlenotes/?p=129]Sam Bradford QB Oklahoma | HUDDLE NOTES[/url]

Re: 79 Mock Drafts: Sam Bradford still Redskins projected choice
 

[quote=SBXVII;657619]All right, I know I put this in another thread but this is the "Sam Bradford" thread so I thought I would bring it here also so all could see. Especially if they are interested in him. The writer did an evaluation then was looking at another player and found that Sam impressed him in the video he was reviewing so he did a second review on Sam. Look at the "Bottom Line- Take 2".

[URL="http://www.thehuddlereport.com/huddlenotes/?p=129"]Sam Bradford QB Oklahoma | HUDDLE NOTES[/URL][/quote]

Yeah thanks for linking that. I was lukewarm to the idea of Bradford, but after I read that I went and watched all the tape I could find.

He has a very quick release and is crazy accurate. There just seems to be something about him that looks like he knows something most QB's don't. So if we do pick him that means the decision makers see the same stuff and much more.

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[quote=Texanskin;657414]comparing our obvious O line needs to a team that drafted glen dorsey is apple and oranges....this entire year we SAW what the need is for our team. Tony romo (who is elusive) was killed without line protection!!! If our O line was like the jets or ravens I'm ok with QB pick...matt ryan had a GOOD LINE. Any rookie behind a bad line = david carr, alex smith...name a rookie who blossumed behind a poor line...NONE[/quote]

This is a very good point.

Our offensive line play was down-right embarrassing last year. Peyton Manning wouldn't produce like he does if he played behind our line.

Sanchez (Bradford or any rookie QB they bring in as an alternative to JC) would or will be a disaster without a major overhaul of the offensive line.

I believe JC can and will be a great quarterback in the NFL. Protect him with a running game and pass protection and then judge him.

Re: 79 Mock Drafts: Sam Bradford still Redskins projected choice
 

[quote=DIE-NASTY;657641]This is a very good point.

Our offensive line play was down-right embarrassing last year. Peyton Manning wouldn't produce like he does if he played behind our line.

Sanchez (Bradford or any rookie QB they bring in as an alternative to JC) would or will be a disaster without a major overhaul of the offensive line.

I believe JC can and will be a great quarterback in the NFL. Protect him with a running game and pass protection and then judge him.[/quote]

Well then in that case you're going to get your wish. JC is going to probably play for most of next year with a rebuilt O-Line and a top 15 running game, but by the same token the chances that we're going to take a QB with our first pick seems pretty high as well.

It is very likely, now that we have a competent front office and coaching staff, that we will not be picking in the top 10 for a while. If the front office sees a QB up here at 4 that can be a franchise guy we have to take him. If not then we select an Offensive Lineman. However picking O-Line just to pick O-line is the same type of one player away thinking that Vinny use to frequently employ.

Still we need a long term plan and passing up on what is seen as a franchise QB will most likely cost us picks in the future to trade up (namely a second rounder) for a decent QB prospect. Also keep in mind that QB's face longer learning curves then tackles.

Again all of this is moot if the front office doesn't like the QB's available at 4 but there seems to be a growing sentiment that if we don't pick an O-Lineman first then we're not addressing the O-Line at all.

Anyway we'll see come April.

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have to go QB...I think the majority...including me...is sick of JC's indecisiveness and lack of productivity, even in years where we had a decent line he still wasn't that impressive.

Re: 79 Mock Drafts: Sam Bradford still Redskins projected choice
 

[quote=Dirtbag359;657652]Well then in that case you're going to get your wish. JC is going to probably play for most of next year with a rebuilt O-Line and a top 15 running game, but by the same token the chances that we're going to take a QB with our first pick seems pretty high as well.

It is very likely, now that we have a competent front office and coaching staff, that we will not be picking in the top 10 for a while. If the front office sees a QB up here at 4 that can be a franchise guy we have to take him. If not then we select an Offensive Lineman. However picking O-Line just to pick O-line is the same type of one player away thinking that Vinny use to frequently employ.

Still we need a long term plan and passing up on what is seen as a franchise QB will most likely cost us picks in the future to trade up (namely a second rounder) for a decent QB prospect. Also keep in mind that QB's face longer learning curves then tackles.

Again all of this is moot if the front office doesn't like the QB's available at 4 [B]but there seems to be a growing sentiment that if we don't pick an O-Lineman first then we're not addressing the O-Line at all.[/B]

Anyway we'll see come April.[/quote]

I'm not as sure of that being the case as people just not being sold on Clausen or Bradford being all that great. Personally I like Bradford, but I would like to see how he does at the combine and see whether Dr. Andrews gives him a thumbs up after checking him out. I think the problem right now is they're both "risky" at this point. I don't think there's as much risk in Okung. If either of the QB's don't become quality starters, I wouldn't be shocked, but I would be very surprised if Okung doesn't turn out to be very good for a very long time. Shanny seems to have a good eye for QB's and knows how to bring out the best in them. I think he could bring out the best in JC (He does seem to like strong arms) and a good o-line would be a big part of that. It would also be a big part of helping the running game. Now having said that, if he thinks Bradford or Clausen are elite and JC will never approach what they have to offer, go for it. Try to get at least one starter for the o-line in the second, and sign some FA's. But we are going to need to draft some quality o-linemen sometime and the best are in the first round. We could fill a spot in the 2nd, but let's be honest, we need more than one and the further down you go, the less chance you have of getting a quality starter. There's always a diamond in the rough...but there are a lot of rocks there too. It doesn't always end in a "feel good story". Our line has sucked because we haven't drafted an o-lineman in the first or second round in 10 years.

Re: 79 Mock Drafts: Sam Bradford still Redskins projected choice
 

I too believe OL is a major issue and throughout the season finally came to grips with the fact we need to upgrade the OL position. But I still can't help thinking that the best of the best QB's usually get drafted pretty high up in the first round. You might get lucky and find a diamond in the rough but drafting someone who is supposed to be a Franchise player and actually live up to it? their drafted pretty high.

Shanahan's type of OL I keep hearing is usually not the top big names on the draft board but more like the smaller faster OL for his system which to me means OL other teams may not be targeting. So the OL we are looking at might be available in later rounds. But if we want a Frachise QB, the sure bets won't usually be available in round 2 or after. Don't get me wrong diamond in the roughs can be found. But most of the QB's picked up beyond the 1st round are more of a crap shoot.

Next year I am hedging my bets that Shanahan will have the team ending with a better record which means if we are thinking of holding out for next yr for a QB (in case JC doesn't work out) most likely it will be harder to get the Franchise QB we want at mid first round or beyond.

How about if we are looking at Shanahan and his staff and being told to stop nit picking Shanahan's decisions on coaching staff, cause he must have put major thought into the decision then we need to do the same with whatever he decides to do with the #4 pick. :)

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Here's a list of QB's taken in the first round from 1990 to 2002:

Andre Ware [B]#7[/B] ........................Peyton Manning #1
Jeff George #1 ........................Ryan Leaf [B]#2[/B]
Dan McGwire #16 ....................Tim Couch [B]#1[/B]
Todd Marinovich #24 ................Donovan McNabb #2
David Klinger [B]#6[/B] ......................Akili Smith [B]#3[/B]
Tommy Maddox #25 .................Cade McNown #12
Drew Bledsoe #1 .....................Daunte Culpepper #11
Rick Mirer [B]#2 [/B]..........................Chad Pennington #18
Heath Shuler [B]#3[/B] ......................Michael Vick [B]#1[/B]
Trent Dilfer [B]#6[/B] ........................David Carr[B] #1[/B]
Steve McNair #3 .....................Joey Harrington[B] #3[/B]
Kerry Collins [B]#5[/B] .......................Patrick Ramsey # 32
Jim Drunkenmiller #26

Re: 79 Mock Drafts: Sam Bradford still Redskins projected choice
 

Here is a list of starting QB's and where they were drafted
1.NO Drew Brees-2nd
2.IND Peyton Manning-1st
3.NE Tom Brady-6th
4.PIT Ben Rothlisberger-1st
5.SD Phillip Rivers-1st
6.ARZ Kurt Warner-undrafted
7.CHI Jay Cutler-1st
8.CIN Carson Palmer-1st
9.NYG Eli Manning-1st
10.SEA Matt Hasselback-6th
11.DAL Tony Romo-undrafted
12.PHI Donovan NcNabb-1st
13.SL Marc Bulger-6th
14.GB Aaron Rogers-1st
15.KC Matt Cassel-7th
16.ATL Matt Ryan-1st
17.CLE Derek Anderson-6th
18.BAL Joe Flacco-1st
19.TEN Kerry Collins-1st
20.HOU Matt Scaub-3rd
21.JAX David Garrard-4th
22.MIA Chad Pennington-1st
23.BUF Trent Edwards-3rd
24.WAS Jason Campbell-1st
25.SF Shaun Hill- undrafted , Alex Smith-1st
26.DET Matthew Stafford-1st
27.CAR Jake Delhomme-undrafted
28.OAK Jamarcus Russell-1st
29.DEN Kyle Orton-4th
30.MIN Bret Farvre-2nd
31.TB Josh Freeman-1st
32.NYJ Mark Sanchez-1st

Re: 79 Mock Drafts: Sam Bradford still Redskins projected choice
 

[quote=wilsowilso;657626]Yeah thanks for linking that. I was lukewarm to the idea of Bradford, but after I read that I went and watched all the tape I could find.

He has a very quick release and is crazy accurate. There just seems to be something about him that looks like he knows something most QB's don't. So if we do pick him that means the decision makers see the same stuff and much more.[/quote]

I completely agree, when I have watched him he makes it look so easy which tells me he can really see the field. He does have a quick release and is really accurate (2 things the current QB doesnt have) which I think will help a lot even if the line is shakey.

Re: 79 Mock Drafts: Sam Bradford still Redskins projected choice
 

[quote=RedskinMike;657674]Here is a list of starting QB's and where they were drafted
1.NO Drew Brees-2nd
2.IND Peyton Manning-1st
3.NE Tom Brady-6th
4.PIT Ben Rothlisberger-1st
5.SD Phillip Rivers-1st
6.ARZ Kurt Warner-undrafted
7.CHI Jay Cutler-1st
8.CIN Carson Palmer-1st
9.NYG Eli Manning-1st
10.SEA Matt Hasselback-6th
11.DAL Tony Romo-undrafted
12.PHI Donovan NcNabb-1st
13.SL Marc Bulger-6th
14.GB Aaron Rogers-1st
15.KC Matt Cassel-7th
16.ATL Matt Ryan-1st
17.CLE Derek Anderson-6th
18.BAL Joe Flacco-1st
19.TEN Kerry Collins-1st
20.HOU Matt Scaub-3rd
21.JAX David Garrard-4th
22.MIA Chad Pennington-1st
23.BUF Trent Edwards-3rd
24.WAS Jason Campbell-1st
25.SF Shaun Hill- undrafted , Alex Smith-1st
26.DET Matthew Stafford-1st
27.CAR Jake Delhomme-undrafted
28.OAK Jamarcus Russell-1st
29.DEN Kyle Orton-4th
30.MIN Bret Farvre-2nd
31.TB Josh Freeman-1st
32.NYJ Mark Sanchez-1st[/quote]

According to this, 14 of the 32 starting QB's were not taken in the first round. With some of the notables being Drew Brees, Tom Brady, Kurt Warner, and Brett Favre. I'm not sure J. Russell should be counted as a starter. Since 2000, 16 out of the 22 Pro Bowl LT's were former 1rst round picks. 5 were 2nd round picks, and only one was undrafted.

What does all this prove?
(a) If you want an elite tackle you should take one in the first round and that you have an almost 50% chance of getting a starting QB after the first round?

(b) Each year should be approached separately depending on who's available no matter what the stats say?

(c) Lately I've had too much time on my hands?

Re: 79 Mock Drafts: Sam Bradford still Redskins projected choice
 

"Lately I've had too much time on my hands?" haha yeah but something to think about. But look at it this way, how many quarterbacks are usually drafted in the 1st round? 3-6? to say that the odds of finding a starting qb in the first round is 50% doesn't make sense considering so many are drafted that every year there are 2 to 3 starters? nope..

Re: 79 Mock Drafts: Sam Bradford still Redskins projected choice
 

[quote=rbanerjee23;657704]"Lately I've had too much time on my hands?" haha yeah but something to think about. [B]But look at it this way, how many quarterbacks are usually drafted in the 1st round? 3-6? to say that the odds of finding a starting qb in the first round is 50% doesn't make sense [/B]considering so many are drafted that every year there are 2 to 3 starters? nope..[/quote]

You're right. So the chances of drafting a starting QB in the first round are not very good?

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[quote=53Fan;657705]You're right. So the chances of drafting a starting QB in the first round are not very good?[/quote]

When the only player you have to beat is JC to become a starting QB, i'd say you have a pretty good chance of starting.

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[quote=WaldSkins;657706]When the only player you have to beat is JC to become a starting QB, i'd say you have a pretty good chance of starting.[/quote]

Well if JC is such a bad QB, do you want to spend the #4 pick on someone just because they can beat him out? According to your post, it wouldn't take much of a player to do so.