Re: McNabb's agents take aim at the Shanahans, Mike responds...
 

[quote=SirClintonPortis;772163]Belichick doesn't publicly humiliate his players nor does he announce his hypothetical plans for the players to the public like saying I'll welcome player X back as a backup. The latter would weaken his leverage in negotiations with other teams for trades. They may feel bad that he let them go too soon and that they still could have contributed to the Pats success, but that's it. Just business.[/quote]


So, the truth comes out. You can't stomach a head coach (a Redskins HC) telling a veteran QB to go get screwed. I have no problem with it. This is about making the Washington Redskins a better team. Not a personality parade.

Donovan if you feel disrespected, how do you think the defensive team feels when you purposely throw the ball in the ground. Or take an unnecessary sack?

BTW, stop using other teams as a model that the Redskins should pattern themselves after.

Re: McNabb's agents take aim at the Shanahans, Mike responds...
 

[quote=Longtimefan;772160][url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/donovan-mcnabb/kyle-shanahan-donovan-mcnabb-s.html?wprss=redskinsinsider]Redskins Insider - Kyle Shanahan: Donovan McNabb 'said he didn't say any of that'[/url][/quote]



I saw and heard what Kyle Shannahan said. I personally think he (McNabb) and his agent are trying to win the day by playing up this disrespectful angle. Don't you?

He can't hack this offense. Just maybe Mike is showing compassion by making it an issue (benching) for McNabb and his agent so they can go elsewhere and talk football.

Re: McNabb's agents take aim at the Shanahans, Mike responds...
 

I realize now that it is not a good idea to trade for a QB within your division. I get the feeling that McNabb has betrayed us by purposely playing badly and keeping our defense on the field.

Re: McNabb's agents take aim at the Shanahans, Mike responds...
 

[quote=juskins;772165]Responding again to your same theme about Mike Shannahan showing bad taste in dealing with the benching of Donovan McNabb later on in the week instead of informing him in the earlier part of the same week of Shannahan's decision to go with Rex Grossman is a mute point on your part.

He is the head coach and can say and do what he wants to say, no matter what you and press think. I was surprise like many, but I did not consider it as a disrespectful move. After all, Donovan has disrespected the Redskins by pretending to be concerned about this organization. If he cares then learn everything about the nuances about this offense to make it work.

The story is not about Andy Reid or the media or the leaks coming out of Redskins Park. It's about improving the team.

I guess Shannahan is telling McNabb to kiss his ass. If Donovan does not want to play as he was billed up to be an upgrade over Campbell then sit and run the scout team, in other words, screw you Donovan. Shannahan will deal with him when the season is over.

Who gives a flying shit about the media. The media and people like you are flaming this nonsense. How do you think Sonny Jurgensen felt when he was benched? Or Vince Young? It does not matter who rides the pine but someone has to.[/quote]

You keep on parroting that I have a problem with the benching itself. That's not the big problem. It's the unnecessary extracirricular comments and airing of dirty laundry. But hey, I'm sorry I offended your god and hence you have to make a strawman out of my words in order to enforce your rage. BTW, to repeat so your emotionally weak head can get it, McNabb has been underwhelming and I don't really mind the benching itself, but the extracirricular comments and the like.
[quote]So, the truth comes out. You can't stomach a head coach (a Redskins HC) telling a veteran QB to go get screwed. I have no problem with it. This is about making the Washington Redskins a better team. Not a personality parade.

Donovan if you feel disrespected, how do you think the defensive team feels when you purposely throw the ball in the ground. Or take an unnecessary sack?

BTW, stop using other teams as a model that the Redskins should pattern themselves after.
[/quote]
The disrespect is not from the benching itself, but rather the other public comments. Is that clear? Or are you going to continue calling me a McNabb cocksucker? McNabb isn't in the right either because he's too chicken to say the shit himself. They ALL should have kept their mouths shut and just went on with their business after the benching.

I have a feeling that you want to have a power trip and Mike Shanahan is the perfect vector for your emotions. Calling me Donovan is quite funny since I've actually got into an battle with a different member here for [B]not praising[/b] McNabb's play this year.

And I say the Stillers know what the hell they're doing far more than we are. Santanio Holmes gets in trouble? Just ship him away and be done with it. None of these silly extracirricular media wars.



And seriously, McNabb with deliberate sabatoge? Did you even see the first Eagles game where he was saying the Eagles made a mistake? The Sheagles sure seemed offeneded enough to proceed to blow us out in the rematch.

Re: McNabb's agents take aim at the Shanahans, Mike responds...
 

[quote=juskins;772173]I realize now that it is not a good idea to trade for a QB within your division. I get the feeling that McNabb has betrayed us by purposely playing badly and keeping our defense on the field.[/quote]

So he intentionally played bad to screw the Redskins over? That is way over the top. It is more likely that he had trouble with the system. However, nothing excuses the poor management MS has shown all season in respect to personnel, and McNabb in particular. Imagine finding out that you were getting demoted in a company wide email newsletter, that probably wouldn't sit well with you either. In terms of KS, he has been heavily scrutinized all season for his play calling and IMO hasn't shown knowledge of the talent he has on the roster.

Re: McNabb's agents take aim at the Shanahans, Mike responds...
 

[quote=SirClintonPortis;772177]You keep on parroting that I have a problem with the benching itself. That's not the big problem. It's the unnecessary extracirricular comments and airing of dirty laundry. But hey, I'm sorry I offended your god and hence you have to make a strawman out of my words in order to enforce your rage. BTW, to repeat so your emotionally weak head can get it, McNabb has been underwhelming and I don't really mind the benching itself, but the extracirricular comments and the like.

The disrespect is not from the benching itself, but rather the other public comments. Is that clear? Or are you going to continue calling me a McNabb cocksucker? McNabb isn't in the right either because he's too chicken to say the shit himself. They ALL should have kept their mouths shut and just went on with their business after the benching.

I have a feeling that you want to have a power trip and Mike Shanahan is the perfect vector for your emotions. Calling me Donovan is quite funny since I've actually got into an battle with a different member here for [B]not praising[/b] McNabb's play this year.

And I say the Stillers know what the hell they're doing far more than we are. Santanio Holmes gets in trouble? Just ship him away and be done with it. None of these silly extracirricular media wars.



And seriously, McNabb with deliberate sabatoge? Did you even see the first Eagles game where he was saying the Eagles made a mistake? The Sheagles sure seemed offeneded enough to proceed to blow us out in the rematch.[/quote]



Please tell me what the extracurricular remarks you are talking about? You don't get it, do you? I never called you a McNabb butt eater or whatever you said I called you. And when did I call you Donovan?

The benching and the explanations that followed by Mike are part of coaches and players trying to explain their side of the dispute. Move on.

Lets hope we win tomorrow, how's that?

Re: McNabb's agents take aim at the Shanahans, Mike responds...
 

[quote=BaltimoreSkins;772178]So he intentionally played bad to screw the Redskins over? That is way over the top. It is more likely that he had trouble with the system. However, nothing excuses the poor management MS has shown all season in respect to personnel, and McNabb in particular. Imagine finding out that you were getting demoted in a company wide email newsletter, that probably wouldn't sit well with you either. In terms of KS, he has been heavily scrutinized all season for his play calling and IMO hasn't shown knowledge of the talent he has on the roster.[/quote]


Well, he sure didn't look good not winning for us. You are so upset with the way Shannahan has handled all aspects of his coaching, right?

He played Donovan in 13 games and then bad mouthed him. And what did Donovan do in those 13 games? Lets see, he kept the defense on the field and gave the offense a rest. Obviously, Shannahan was pissed at the franchise QB who can't learn his offense.

I would bench him too. Oh, it's not about the benching but the lack of respect for McNabb. His game sucks and thanks for providing no gamesmanship or character as a player on the field. It sure does seem as if he screwed us. Balls under thrown or overthrown and the unnecessary sacks. What do you think?

I have no respect for that aspect of his unprofessional game.

Re: McNabb's agents take aim at the Shanahans, Mike responds...
 

Here's what the DM5 haters fail to realize. Before the McNabb fiasco happened it was predicted that Shannahan would scapegoat another player due to [b]his failure to bring results[/b].

The biggest failure was his reluctance to bring in better recievers, his switch to the 3-4, and starting a 38 year old reciever and 2 washed up RB's long past their prime. These decisons were more detrimental to the team than DM5's completion percentage.

Completion percentages don't win games, if you don't believe me, look at Kyle Orton's stats. I rest my case.

With that being said, I understand that the fans (most) are always going to side with the coach/management when there's a dispute between them and a player. So I don't put much stock into the negative nannies who continue to harp on McNabb.

Here's one fact that i'll be willing to bet my life on. Next year, DM5's new team will win more games than the Washington Redskins. Just as JC has won more games with this new team. Once this revelation comes to pass, it's going to be gratifying to utter the old adage, "I told you so".

Re: McNabb's agents take aim at the Shanahans, Mike responds...
 

[quote=juskins;772184]Please tell me what the extracurricular remarks you are talking about? You don't get it, do you? I never called you a McNabb butt eater or whatever you said I called you. And when did I call you Donovan?

The benching and the explanations that followed by Mike are part of coaches and players trying to explain their side of the dispute. Move on.

Lets hope we win tomorrow, how's that?[/quote]
It's basic employer-employee etiquette to air complaints and resolve the disputes in private and not go the public humiliation route either by accident or intentionally. I see both sides can't keep their mouths shut. The cardiovascular endurace and inability to run the 2-minute drill comments are both gaffes by Shanahan. McNabb talks nice but then his agent doesn't... major gaffe by McNabb. I see it as both sides trying to win some lame PR war. I find neither side to be fully believable.

Re: McNabb's agents take aim at the Shanahans, Mike responds...
 

[quote=juskins;772185]Well, he sure didn't look good not winning for us. [B]You are so upset with the way Shannahan has handled all aspects of his coaching, right?
[/B]
He played Donovan in 13 games and then bad mouthed him. And what did Donovan do in those 13 games? Lets see, he kept the defense on the field and gave the offense a rest. Obviously, Shannahan was pissed at the franchise QB who can't learn his offense.

I would bench him too. [B]Oh, it's not about the benching but the lack of respect for McNabb. [/B]His game sucks and thanks for providing no gamesmanship or character as a player on the field. It sure does seem as if he screwed us. Balls under thrown or overthrown and the unnecessary sacks. What do you think?

I have no respect for that aspect of his unprofessional game.[/quote]
You sure love to accuse people of things just to make your claims look good. I'm glad you aren't company manager because you'd be the perfect douchebag boss who thinks that you're in the right in whatever you do.

First of all, BaltimoreSkins simply saying that Shanahan bungled his managing of personnel matters does not lead to the conclusion that he disagrees with anything.

Next, I'm the one who doesn't have the problem with the benching itself but with the other BS going around. The guy you're responding to may think differently, but of course, you don't care and shove it in here anyway.

And you like to deviate from the initial subject, which is whether McNabb is deliberately mailing it in or not. Rather than provide evidence, you attack the messenger who you think believes "so-and-so" bad things and simply insist with circular reasoning that your interpretation is of course, the correct one.

Re: McNabb's agents take aim at the Shanahans, Mike responds...
 

[quote=Shadowbyte;772186]Here's what the DM5 haters fail to realize. Before the McNabb fiasco happened it was predicted that Shannahan would scapegoat another player due to [b]his failure to bring results[/b].

The biggest failure was his reluctance to bring in better recievers, his switch to the 3-4, and starting a 38 year old reciever and 2 washed up RB's long past their prime. These decisons were more detrimental to the team than DM5's completion percentage.

Completion percentages don't win games, if you don't believe me, look at Kyle Orton's stats. I rest my case.

With that being said, I understand that the fans (most) are always going to side with the coach/management when there's a dispute between them and a player. So I don't put much stock into the negative nannies who continue to harp on McNabb.

Here's one fact that i'll be willing to bet my life on. Next year, DM5's new team will win more games than the Washington Redskins. Just as JC has won more games with this new team. Once this revelation comes to pass, it's going to be gratifying to utter the old adage, "I told you so".[/quote]




I was delighted to hear Campbell was traded. If McNabb is subjected to the same faith, good luck Donovan.

Here's another revelation surrounding the Washington Redskins: As long as they don't have turn over at key positions they will always be stuck with the under achievers, as mentioned above.

A coach has to change the mind set of this franchise in order to bring a winner to this area. It starts with your QB. Of course there are other positions that must be addressed. But the QB sets the tempo for change.

BTW, Campbell is not doing that well at all. He has always been a game time decision in Oakland. Another example of a head coach taking his sweet time to inform the QBs who will start.

As long as we have the mentality of Jason Campbell and Donovan McNabb in our pilot house we will be mediocre. The QB sets the mindset of a team.

This is the first year of Mike's tenure and I think he never had that many bright spots on this team. Defense was/is his strong suit. Changing to a 34 defense is no big deal if you have speed at the LBer position. You also need a solid pass rush. I have no problem with a coach changing things up as he sees fit to build a better team.

The problem with some fans around here is that they are use to destroying the foundation of the team through impatience and criticism. And an owner who cannot stay the course to see a coaches dream put into reality.

Re: McNabb's agents take aim at the Shanahans, Mike responds...
 

[quote]
The problem with some fans around here is that they are use to destroying the foundation of the team through impatience and criticism. And an owner who cannot stay the course to see a coaches dream put into reality.[/quote]Trading away draft picks sure destroyed this team's foundation..yet Shanahan traded them away yet again for Brown and McNabb. Snyder gave Gibbs plenty of time and even gave Zorn one too many years.

Re: McNabb's agents take aim at the Shanahans, Mike responds...
 

[quote=SirClintonPortis;772187]It's basic employer-employee etiquette to air complaints and resolve the disputes in private and not go the public humiliation route either by accident or intentionally. I see both sides can't keep their mouths shut. The cardiovascular endurace and inability to run the 2-minute drill comments are both gaffes by Shanahan. McNabb talks nice but then his agent doesn't... major gaffe by McNabb. I see it as both sides trying to win some lame PR war. I find neither side to be fully believable.[/quote]


Well, Sir Clinton Portis, I watched Donovan under achieved for 11 games and thought the other two games he played in were decent showings. I kept waiting for those good two games to show up in the other eleven games he played in for us.

This is not about an employer=employee dispute at all. When does a player have a say so in professional sports? And, yes, it's my way or the highway in this business. The player doesn't get to dictate his terms of making an adequate performance. Obviously, you can't light a fire under McNabb's ass to motivate him to play better.

Shannahan pulls the strings and he calls the tunes. There's no "can we just all get along" mantra here. This is about making or taking a stand as to whom you support - not trying to point out the short comings of both sides.

Re: McNabb's agents take aim at the Shanahans, Mike responds...
 

[quote=SirClintonPortis;772191]Trading away draft picks sure destroyed this team's foundation..yet Shanahan traded them away yet again for Brown and McNabb. Snyder gave Gibbs plenty of time and even gave Zorn one too many years.[/quote]


We are talking about philosophy of the motivational make up of a NFL team. You are purposely getting off track here.

Re: McNabb's agents take aim at the Shanahans, Mike responds...
 

[quote=SirClintonPortis;772188]You sure love to accuse people of things just to make your claims look good. I'm glad you aren't company manager because you'd be the perfect douchebag boss who thinks that you're in the right in whatever you do.

First of all, BaltimoreSkins simply saying that Shanahan bungled his managing of personnel matters does not lead to the conclusion that he disagrees with anything.

Next, I'm the one who doesn't have the problem with the benching itself but with the other BS going around. The guy you're responding to may think differently, but of course, you don't care and shove it in here anyway.

And you like to deviate from the initial subject, which is whether McNabb is deliberately mailing it in or not. Rather than provide evidence, you attack the messenger who you think believes "so-and-so" bad things and simply insist with circular reasoning that your interpretation is of course, the correct one.[/quote]



Who gives a rat's ass about what mistakes Shannahan has made. The problem is with the QB.

Re: McNabb's agents take aim at the Shanahans, Mike responds...
 

To me, this post says it all:


Quote:
Originally Posted by FRPLG View Post
Memo to Donovan. Having your agent do the dirty work so you can still call yourself "professional" is bullsh*t. If you want to take the high-ground then you take it. You don't travel it and send your friends and family the other way. Pathetic...you sucked this year and Shanny sat you. You got what you earned. This organization didn't owe you some magical level of respect for deeds that you did for another team. The Eagles sh*t on your head and you said nothing and neither did your agent. THEY owed you respect for what you did for them. You haven't done crap for the Redskins so don't fool yourself into thinking you have earned one iota of respect from the team or fans. You got your ass outplayed by Rex f'ing Grossman. Get over your diva ass and don' let the door hit ya on the way out.
NICE post F.
DM is a politician....I don't think Shanny gives a damn...I like that.
It's a shame DM's play could not match his..........rhetoric.
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Re: McNabb's agents take aim at the Shanahans, Mike responds...
 

[quote=juskins;772192]Well, Sir Clinton Portis, I watched Donovan under achieved for 11 games and thought the other two games he played in were decent showings. I kept waiting for those good two games to show up in the other eleven games he played in for us.

This is not about an employer=employee dispute at all. When does a player have a say so in professional sports? And, yes, it's my way or the highway in this business. The player doesn't get to dictate his terms of making an adequate performance. Obviously, you can't light a fire under McNabb's ass to motivate him to play better.

Shannahan pulls the strings and he calls the tunes. There's no "can we just all get along" mantra here. [B]This is about making or taking a stand as to whom you support - not trying to point out the short comings of both sides.[/B][/quote]
And both sides are coming out with some believable statements and not-so-believable statements, hence I cannot totally trust either account.

While I'm probably sure McNabb is displeased with the benching itself, he is at least giving the appearance that it was the way he was demoted and benched that is the main issue. IF what he claims is true, then it's unprofessional and not exactly best for the team because they should have been totally practicing with Grossman on the first practice day of the week and the head coach should have communicated to him first. IF McNabb is just making shit up, then Shanahan probably handled the situation properly and wasn't unprofessional, disrespectful, etc, and McNabb was just trying to get attention. The benching is not the object of complaint by McNabb, but rather how it was handled. If it was Zorn not informing his QB late in the week, we'd all be skewering his incompetence.

Re: McNabb's agents take aim at the Shanahans, Mike responds...
 

[quote=juskins;772194]Who gives a rat's ass about what mistakes Shannahan has made. The problem is with the QB.[/quote]

Then Shanahan shouldn't have taken the vet QB in the first place and solely try to get Luck or whoever the next hot QBs are. McNabb has been dirtballing even during his time in Philly and people saw his nonchalance in the Super Bowl. Hell, he helped handed us the season sweep of the Eagles in 2008 thanks to his classic balls in the dirt and the Jamarcus Russell led Raiders did beat the McNabb led Eagles.

Re: McNabb's agents take aim at the Shanahans, Mike responds...
 

[quote=juskins;772193]We are talking about philosophy of the motivational make up of a NFL team. You are purposely getting off track here.[/quote]
That's a mighty big phrase, but "team identity" should suffice.
The only statement that concerns the "motivational make up" of the team is that the qb gives identity to the team. There are a couple of statements about Campbell that needs to be verfied and then the rest is about the flawed methodology of team building. I just pointed out examples in which they are still making transactions that mortgage away the future and how Snyder has been giving time to coaches ever since Spurrier. Marty was the only one who definitely did not get a fair shot.

Re: McNabb's agents take aim at the Shanahans, Mike responds...
 

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/24/AR2010122402804.html]Redskins' Kyle Shanahan refutes statement by Donovan McNabb's agent, Fletcher Smith III[/url]

Re: McNabb's agents take aim at the Shanahans, Mike responds...
 

[quote=juskins;772165]Responding again to your same theme about Mike Shannahan showing bad taste in dealing with the benching of Donovan McNabb later on in the week instead of informing him in the earlier part of the same week of Shannahan's decision to go with Rex Grossman is a mute point on your part.

He is the head coach and can say and do what he wants to say, no matter what you and press think. I was surprise like many, but I did not consider it as a disrespectful move. After all, Donovan has disrespected the Redskins by pretending to be concerned about this organization. If he cares then learn everything about the nuances about this offense to make it work.

The story is not about Andy Reid or the media or the leaks coming out of Redskins Park. It's about improving the team.

I guess Shannahan is telling McNabb to kiss his ass. If Donovan does not want to play as he was billed up to be an upgrade over Campbell then sit and run the scout team, in other words, screw you Donovan. Shannahan will deal with him when the season is over.

Who gives a flying shit about the media. The media and people like you are flaming this nonsense. How do you think Sonny Jurgensen felt when he was benched? Or Vince Young? It does not matter who rides the pine but someone has to.[/quote]

Good post.

Re: McNabb's agents take aim at the Shanahans, Mike responds...
 

[quote=SirClintonPortis;772196]And both sides are coming out with some believable statements and not-so-believable statements, hence I cannot totally trust either account.

While I'm probably sure McNabb is displeased with the benching itself, he is at least giving the appearance that it was the way he was demoted and benched that is the main issue. IF what he claims is true, then it's unprofessional and not exactly best for the team because they should have been totally practicing with Grossman on the first practice day of the week and the head coach should have communicated to him first. IF McNabb is just making shit up, then Shanahan probably handled the situation properly and wasn't unprofessional, disrespectful, etc, and McNabb was just trying to get attention. The benching is not the object of complaint by McNabb, but rather how it was handled. If it was Zorn not informing his QB late in the week, we'd all be skewering his incompetence.[/quote]




Merry Christmas, Sir Clinton Portis, and I hope you and your family received Xmas blessings.

I agree that this has been a PR nightmare, but it's done and just possibly this is how Shannahan handles these issues that displease him.

But, he is the HC and I have to give him the benefit of the doubt. Donovan has been mostly inconsistent in his 13 games and should be benched.

The issue of respect or disrespect, in my opinion, was first mentioned by some of the staff at NFL Network, former players. I just think that these people are wrong by suggesting that Shannahan wanted to single McNabb out by not showing concern for his "feelings".

Why is it that other QBs can be benched and its not considered disrespect? What is their agenda?

Re: McNabb's agents take aim at the Shanahans, Mike responds...
 

[quote=SirClintonPortis;772198]That's a mighty big phrase, but "team identity" should suffice.
The only statement that concerns the "motivational make up" of the team is that the qb gives identity to the team. There are a couple of statements about Campbell that needs to be verfied and then the rest is about the flawed methodology of team building. I just pointed out examples in which they are still making transactions that mortgage away the future and how Snyder has been giving time to coaches ever since Spurrier. Marty was the only one who definitely did not get a fair shot.[/quote]


I believe your concerns are part of this regimes finding the weaknesses at key positions. The way they handle it comes in the form of confrontation of the issues that they see as "disrespectful" to the organization. It may not be tactful but it lets a player know that they will not lie down and be taken advantage of.

First Haynesworth and now McNabb, in the latter case, Donovan cannot get away with his previous habits here in DC. I accept this punishment with a resounding "YEAH!" and hope that they take it to the limit in order to get the best team assembled as possible.

Re: McNabb's agents take aim at the Shanahans, Mike responds...
 

[quote=SirClintonPortis;772197]Then Shanahan shouldn't have taken the vet QB in the first place and solely try to get Luck or whoever the next hot QBs are. McNabb has been dirtballing even during his time in Philly and people saw his nonchalance in the Super Bowl. Hell, he helped handed us the season sweep of the Eagles in 2008 thanks to his classic balls in the dirt and the Jamarcus Russell led Raiders did beat the McNabb led Eagles.[/quote]



If they had known what they know now then you are absolutely correct.

There's always that element of "maybe a change of scenery will recoup his desire". I don't think the Skins should go QB with the first pick. We need a blue chip nose tackle and help on the OLine before we select a QB.

Re: McNabb's agents take aim at the Shanahans, Mike responds...
 

I said it once and will say it again......

McNabb is a good QB, but he's older now, injury prone, can't scramble to save his life anymore, and throws dirt balls. All this I complained about last Easter Sunday when it was announced the Skins picked him up. He's a HOF no doubt, but that doesn't mean he'll solve our problems. But.... now we have him. We either coach him up on this style/scheme or trade him away.

I'd keep him if he doesn't mind being second fiddle to Grossman until he learns the scheme better but there are major issues then perhaps trading him for whatever we can get is best.

Thebigger key to McNabbs mess would be for him to address the media about what he did say and what his manager has stated. Funny how he avoids the media questions, but supposedly is on the Shanahans side. WTF?
Either admit what was said or put your manager in his place and have "him" address the media about his statements..... and apologize.

Re: McNabb's agents take aim at the Shanahans, Mike responds...
 

The problem with some fans around here is that they are use to destroying the foundation of the team through impatience and criticism. And an owner who cannot stay the course to see a coaches dream put into reality.[/QUOTE]

I couldn't agree more....

Re: McNabb's agents take aim at the Shanahans, Mike responds...
 

[quote=juskins;772169]I saw and heard what Kyle Shannahan said. I personally think he (McNabb) and his agent are trying to win the day by playing up this disrespectful angle. Don't you?

He can't hack this offense. Just maybe Mike is showing compassion by making it an issue (benching) for McNabb and his agent so they can go elsewhere and talk football.[/quote]

As far as I'm concerned, too much has been made of the benching of McNabb. There appears to be far too much meddling by the media as well as fans regarding a coaches' decision. He shouldn't have to explain to the media who plays and when, it's his perogative, and no further explanation should be necessary.

Donovan McNabb is not above being benched, I've seen just about every QB that has ever played the game get benched at one time or another. I thought he should have been benched long before he was.

Re: McNabb's agents take aim at the Shanahans, Mike responds...
 

[url=http://1067thefandc.cbslocal.com/2010/11/16/chad-dukes-rant-on-the-redskins-59-28-loss/]Chad Dukes Rant On the Redskins 59-28 Loss « 106.7 The Fan – DC Sportsradio[/url]

Who heard this rant, yet. Classic!

Re: McNabb's agents take aim at the Shanahans, Mike responds...
 

[quote=Nomad;772246][url=http://1067thefandc.cbslocal.com/2010/11/16/chad-dukes-rant-on-the-redskins-59-28-loss/]Chad Dukes Rant On the Redskins 59-28 Loss « 106.7 The Fan – DC Sportsradio[/url]

Who heard this rant, yet. Classic![/quote]

Dukes needs to put it down. I happened to be listening to 106 when he delivered his infamous rant. He says he's been a Redskin fan for thirty one years and feel the team owes him something. Well, I've been a Redskin fan for almost twice that long, and have dumped thousand's into the organization. I saw a lot of bad long before he became a fan, back to the time when bad was worse than that. They don't owe me anything, even if they did I could never be repaid.

Re: McNabb's agents take aim at the Shanahans, Mike responds...
 

[quote=SBXVII;772239]I said it once and will say it again......

McNabb is a good QB, but he's older now, injury prone, can't scramble to save his life anymore, and throws dirt balls. All this I complained about last Easter Sunday when it was announced the Skins picked him up. He's a HOF no doubt, but that doesn't mean he'll solve our problems. But.... now we have him. We either coach him up on this style/scheme or trade him away.

I'd keep him if he doesn't mind being second fiddle to Grossman until he learns the scheme better but there are major issues then perhaps trading him for whatever we can get is best.

Thebigger key to McNabbs mess would be for him to address the media about what he did say and what his manager has stated. Funny how he avoids the media questions, but supposedly is on the Shanahans side. WTF?
Either admit what was said or put your manager in his place and have "him" address the media about his statements..... and apologize.[/quote]



I read today that McNabb's agent is saying that he and Donovan are on the same page. Go figure.

Re: McNabb's agents take aim at the Shanahans, Mike responds...
 

[quote=juskins;772185]Well, he sure didn't look good not winning for us. You are so upset with the way Shannahan has handled all aspects of his coaching, right?

He played Donovan in 13 games and then bad mouthed him. And what did Donovan do in those 13 games? Lets see, he kept the defense on the field and gave the offense a rest. Obviously, Shannahan was pissed at the franchise QB who can't learn his offense.

I would bench him too. Oh, it's not about the benching but the lack of respect for McNabb. His game sucks and thanks for providing no gamesmanship or character as a player on the field. It sure does seem as if he screwed us. Balls under thrown or overthrown and the unnecessary sacks. What do you think?

I have no respect for that aspect of his unprofessional game.[/quote]

So based on you comments you are okay with Shannahan throwing away a second and fourth next year, when he clearly didn't perform a proper vetting process prior to trading for McNabb? Trust me I am OK with the benching of McNabb, I just think him finding out from the media as opposed to his boss is a poor decision. I think most people actually think McNabb is a stand up guy so I don't get your comment on no character.

Re: McNabb's agents take aim at the Shanahans, Mike responds...
 

[quote=BaltimoreSkins;772394]So based on you comments you are okay with Shannahan throwing away a second and fourth next year, when he clearly didn't perform a proper vetting process prior to trading for McNabb? Trust me I am OK with the benching of McNabb, I just think him finding out from the media as opposed to his boss is a poor decision. I think most people actually think McNabb is a stand up guy so I don't get your comment on no character.[/quote]

Good post, best I read so far, cause I'm sure it's all DM fault, and weather you agree with Shanny or not, (which I don't) I agree moving DM is important for the team, but there is a better way to doing it.

Re: McNabb's agents take aim at the Shanahans, Mike responds...
 

[quote=GMScud;772077]I don't care what Shanny did over a decade ago in Denver. Right now, Andy Reid > Mike Shanahan.

Philly fans are laughing out loud at us right now. [B]There's a reason Reid didn't bat an eye at shipping McNabb to a division rival. [/B]

Merry Xmas, Redskins fans![/quote]

Because he knew the Redskins had no offensive line, no running game and no receivers?

Re: McNabb's agents take aim at the Shanahans, Mike responds...
 

[quote=Nomad;772608]Good post, best I read so far, cause I'm sure it's all DM fault, and weather you agree with Shanny or not, (which I don't) I agree moving DM is important for the team, but there is a better way to doing it.[/quote]

I like the move it sends a message to everyone.Play hard or go home.

Re: McNabb's agents take aim at the Shanahans, Mike responds...
 

[quote=GMScud;772024]Agreed. Shanny's only signature move thus far has been a gigantic fail on many levels- giving up such important picks to get McNabb, the week 8 benching and ensuing joke of an explanation, and the recent McNabb fiasco. Really piss poor.

[B]And the Haynesworth saga. [/B]Shanny really looks pretty bad right now. He needs a few years to see if he can work his thing, but this year was embarrassing.[/quote]

What about it? Shanahan tried to trade him, but there weren't any takers. So he figured he might as well get what he could for his services.

AH was determined to be a hemorrhoid no matter what. We'd be in the same position with him even if Joe Gibbs was the head coach.

Re: McNabb's agents take aim at the Shanahans, Mike responds...
 

[quote=BaltimoreSkins;772394]So based on you comments you are okay with Shannahan throwing away a second and fourth next year, when he clearly didn't perform a proper vetting process prior to trading for McNabb? Trust me I am OK with the benching of McNabb, I just think him finding out from the media as opposed to his boss is a poor decision. I think most people actually think McNabb is a stand up guy so I don't get your comment on no character.[/quote]


Going forward I'm sure this won't happen again. I don't like not having picks no matter who gave them up for what reason. At the time the trade happen most would have made that trade.

You can't do anything about it now. It's a good thing we have a coach who sees ahead and realize that the Skins would not reach Shannahan's goals with McNabb. Let's stop with the "but he gave away picks for a washed up player". It has happen before Shannahan and hopefully it will stop because everyone has learned a lesson.

I said on the playing field he had no character. Stop with the nit picking, move on.

Re: McNabb's agents take aim at the Shanahans, Mike responds...
 

It was a bad trade, no doubt -- impossible to defend at this point. But unlike some others, I'm not a "one strike and you're out!" type person. I'm willing to allow for a mistake here and there. Losing on those draft picks was big without question, but I'll still take a mistake by Mike Shanahan in year one versus continuing the pattern with the umpteenth mistake by Vinny in year 12.

Re: McNabb's agents take aim at the Shanahans, Mike responds...
 

[quote=Beemnseven;772629]It was a bad trade, no doubt -- impossible to defend at this point. But unlike some others, I'm not a "one strike and you're out!" type person. I'm willing to allow for a mistake here and there. Losing on those draft picks was big without question, but I'll still take a mistake by Mike Shanahan in year one versus continuing the pattern with the umpteenth mistake by Vinny in year 12.[/quote]If the mistake is caused by the same flawed thought process, why do him the benefit of resetting the counter? Just keep adding on until things actually change.

Re: McNabb's agents take aim at the Shanahans, Mike responds...
 

If Mike Shanahan is still making those types of trades in year three, and the team still hasn't progressed, then it'll be time to move on. Like I said though, until he demonstrates a pattern of those mistakes, I'm willing to let this one go. I don't like it, but I'll let it go.

With Vinny it was outright insanity -- he would make a mistake like this, and keep trying it over and over. But unlike some others, I'm not going to call for Shanahan's head for one f*ck up.

Re: McNabb's agents take aim at the Shanahans, Mike responds...
 

[quote=Beemnseven;773197]If Mike Shanahan is still making those types of trades in year three, and the team still hasn't progressed, then it'll be time to move on. Like I said though, until he demonstrates a pattern of those mistakes, I'm willing to let this one go. I don't like it, but I'll let it go.

With Vinny it was outright insanity -- he would make a mistake like this, and keep trying it over and over. But unlike some others, I'm not going to call for Shanahan's head for one f*ck up.[/quote]

Agreed. Some patience is required as a fan. I know none of us want to hear this since we have been going through it for years, but that's how I see it.