Re: Redskins "Low-balling" Hall (Allegedly)
 

[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;523142]I don't think we played hardball with Antonio Pierce. NY paid a pretty good contract for him and while I think GW had SOME hand in letting him walk, we definitely would have been a little more strapped now if he were on the team with a similar contract to NY's.[/quote]

True, but we also wouldnt have needed to sign Fletcher, so we need to take his salary into account (not that I dislike fletcher, he's my favorite defensive player).

And also, if we hadnt let Ryan Clark go, we wouldnt have needed to use our #6 overall pick in the 2007 draft on Landry and could have addressed our DL by getting DT Amobi Okoye (my favorite at the time). More likely than not, however, we would have used the pick on a WR andTed Ginn Jr. was taken two spots after that. If we had gotten him, we probably wouldnt have used 3 2nd rounders last year on passcatchers who didnt contribute and addressed our lines then.... do you see the trickledown effect?

Sure, hindsight is 20/20, but if you can resign your own proven playmakers, then you dont have to spend money and draft picks gambling on draft picks and free agents to replace them. For the first time in years, we have a truly stellar defensive backfield (top 3 in the league without a doubt). We need to do whatever we can [I]within reason [/I]to keep these guys together so we can address other areas of our team.

Re: Redskins "Low-balling" Hall (Allegedly)
 

Now would you say that our backfield would have been top three if we had only Ryan Clark? I think we're both getting a little off topic.

I totally agree that we should keep Rogers and Hall. I don't like the idea of dicking over Rogers to keep Hall. All that being said, I think the money the Skins are asking (if that's true anyway) is more than reasonable for a guy who's already had two big paydays. If he knows anything about the Redskins, they aren't afraid to show you some money up front with restructuring if you prove you can be a team player.

Re: Redskins "Low-balling" Hall (Allegedly)
 

[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;523157]Now would you say that our backfield would have been top three if we had only Ryan Clark? I think we're both getting a little off topic.

I totally agree that we should keep Rogers and Hall. I don't like the idea of dicking over Rogers to keep Hall. All that being said, I think the money the Skins are asking (if that's true anyway) is more than reasonable for a guy who's already had two big paydays. If he knows anything about the Redskins, they aren't afraid to show you some money up front with restructuring if you prove you can be a team player.[/quote]

No, i was saying our backfield was top 3 last year and it will be again this year if we can keep our guys in place (especially if Rogers and Hall are our starters). If we let Hall go, we're going to have to replace him. That means one less FA or draft pick used to address our lines. IMO our top two offseason priorities are resigning hall and not doing a D*** thing with Rogers.

Re: Redskins "Low-balling" Hall (Allegedly)
 

I doubt we would replace Hall with any FA out there. If he wants to be a part of the Skins great, our secondary is not close to our top two off-season priorities. I agree with Malcolm, Hall has had two BIG paydays, now its time to settle down and play. If he's not here that'll be a shame, but I doubt we will be looking longingly as he leaves.

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Hall's not that hard to replace though. I agree that it would have to be done, as Springs, Rogers, and Smoot will never make the trio they did at the beginning of 2007, especially since that trio included #21.

There are plenty of guys we could go after should Hall shun us, but why does that make sense for him? No one wants him, and everyone else could have had him for a tiny fraction of their cap last year, but no one was offering more than half a million to finish out the year.

Re: Redskins "Low-balling" Hall (Allegedly)
 

[quote=GTripp0012;523166]Hall's not that hard to replace though. I agree that it would have to be done, as Springs, Rogers, and Smoot will never make the trio they did at the beginning of 2007, especially since that trio included #21.
[B]
There are plenty of guys we could go after should Hall shun us[/B], but why does that make sense for him? No one wants him, and everyone else could have had him for a tiny fraction of their cap last year, but no one was offering more than half a million to finish out the year.[/quote]

Who out there is better then Hall as a free agent??

Re: Redskins "Low-balling" Hall (Allegedly)
 

[quote=WaldSkins;523170]Who out there is better then Hall as a free agent??[/quote]Asomugha is too pricey to be considered, but here are a few names that are at or near Hall's level who could be signed for less than Hall wants:

Dunta Robinson (Houston)
Daven Holly (Cleveland)
Bryant McFadden (Pittsburgh)
Jabari Greer (Buffalo)

Not an [I]extensive [/I]list, exactly, but there are other options besides Hall for us.

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[quote=GTripp0012;523174]Asomugha is too pricey to be considered, but here are a few names that are at or near Hall's level who could be signed for less than Hall wants:

Dunta Robinson (Houston)
Daven Holly (Cleveland)
Bryant McFadden (Pittsburgh)
Jabari Greer (Buffalo)

Not an [I]extensive [/I]list, exactly, but there are other options besides Hall for us.[/quote]

I would love to have Robinson, but we gotta figure out who is gonna play opposite him. Is Rogers staying? What's up with Springs? Do we draft a CB? Yea i'd like to see Hall stay because our secondary last year was the best part of this team. We can't go into the season with just Springs, Smoot, and Rogers. Too many injury concerns.

Re: Redskins "Low-balling" Hall (Allegedly)
 

There is another angle to this I haven't seen discussed. Basically the bigger contract, especially guaranteed money, Hall receives the bigger the contract Rogers will expect/demand and I think we all realize Blache and the FO really isn't keen on giving Rogers big money. While they may like to give Hall more being that he'll sell tickets, jerseys etc the braintrust has to smart here. Also I would say Hall's negotiating position is relatively stronger than ours. Everyone knows that even if we somehow keep Springs, Los and Smoot as corners we're gonna be hurtin real soon (Springs injuries and Smoot general shittiness). And yeah maybe we can bring in another guy but none, save Asomugha, are big names like Hall who will add serious value to the franchise right?

I think Hall has to be resigned. If it comes down to cutting Springs completely to save space then show him the door... we need young, healthy talent.

Also have a question about the Los situation for GT or Schneed: would it be worthwhile to stampt the franchise tag on either Hall or Los (if it's even possible)?

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Hall would be a good fit for this team. Why are people upset with trying to save some money on signing him? Are they really advocating the usual - 'overpay to underplay' mode of the Redskins FO?

If we sign Hall then we can look to drop Springs and/or Rogers.

Springs is very good but is missing more and more games per year. He won't restructure. He costs about $1 mill per game.

Rogers has never achieved his first round draft choice ranking. He's decent but has dropped more game-changing balls than I can count. He wants off this team. Trade him for a second rounder and move on.

Let us sign Hall and then we can comment on whether we pay too much.

Re: Redskins "Low-balling" Hall (Allegedly)
 

[quote=Dblock804;523113]What bugs me is when he wore the free Mike Vick shirt on that Monday night game right after the trial. Coach quit and he was traded... I was thinking that he would not fit "the mold" of the current players we have.[/quote]

He was teammates with vick in college and pros. He remains loyal to his teammate. How could this negatively affect our locker room chemistry?

Re: Redskins "Low-balling" Hall (Allegedly)
 

This isn't "low balling" it seems like a fair value for Halls services.

I applaud the FO for not overpaying for players. If you have to go up a bit, you meet in the middle some where.

If I recall correctly Hall himself said it wasn't all about the money, yea right! Show me don't tell me. He played well for a total of 7 games. This 'deal if true' appears to be a fair deal for both sides.

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[quote=Carnage;523185]He was teammates with vick in college and pros. He remains loyal to his teammate. How could this negatively affect our locker room chemistry?[/quote]

and free Mike Vick.

Re: Redskins "Low-balling" Hall (Allegedly)
 

I wonder if this article wasn't a play by Hall's lawyer to help free up a few more dollars.

Signing Hall allows Vinny to drop either Spring or Rogers.

Re: Redskins "Low-balling" Hall (Allegedly)
 

[quote=skinsfan_nn;523186]This isn't "low balling" it seems like a fair value for Halls services.

I applaud the FO for not overpaying for players. If you have to go up a bit, you meet in the middle some where.

[B]If I recall correctly Hall himself said it wasn't all about the money[/B], yea right! Show me don't tell me. He played well for a total of 7 games. This 'deal if true' appears to be a fair deal for both sides.[/quote]

EXACTLY. It's not about the money, I feel at home here, the scheme fits what I do well, I'm close to my home in Virginia, blah blah blah...

If he walks now, we'll know he was full of ish up to ears.