Re: McNabb's agents take aim at the Shanahans, Mike responds...
 

As much as some may not like the agent's "complaining"....it actually benefits 2 parties.
1. McNabb...it may stabilize his value to other teams.
2. The Skins...the crappier Shanny looks like as a coach, the higher trade value McNabb could have due to perceived misuse...

I say...the more controversy, the better, if we intend to trade him.
In this case..the more bad news...the better for the Skins.

Re: McNabb's agents take aim at the Shanahans, Mike responds...
 

[quote=GMScud;772094]Not too many people will argue with that. It's the way in which DM has been handled - specifically the Detroit game - and what we gave up to get him that's so disconcerting.

I don't think anyone is going to argue that he was playing really well.[/quote]

MS could have handled the Detroit benching better, sure. He should have just said DM hasn't been playing well so we were looking for a spark from Grossman. I think everyone could have lived with that explanation.

Why he tossed out the silliness about him not being in shape, who knows. MS isn't known for being a slick handler of the media, and often he would be better served by just saying less. But we didn't hire him to be a PR guy, we hired him to win football games. I'll live with all the PFT type of tabloid drama as long as he gets this thing turned around.

Re: McNabb's agents take aim at the Shanahans, Mike responds...
 

[quote=Mattyk;772098]When did he say that? Last I heard MS didn't close the door on him returning.[/quote]

Sure I dont think he will come out and publically say McNabb will not be here next season...but the Kelly Johnson inteview b4 the previous game Shanny when asked if it was a mistake to bring McNabb here he said something in the way of "sometimes things dont work out like you plan them." I dont take that as a vote of confidence for McNabb returning. He didnt say No its wasnt a mistake or he plans on McNabb contributing to this team in the future. I think the contract we gave him is another indicator. I feel he's chancing of returning to the Skins is in the 10-20%. I think serious damage has been done with Shanny's choices he has made in McNabb returning. McNabb is personally going to say the right things, he always has. I think his agent though is speaking exactly how McNabb feels.

I think McNabb can still play in this league, on a high level? questionable...with Shanny and Kyle as his coaches?...very unlikely

Re: McNabb's agents take aim at the Shanahans, Mike responds...
 

[quote=Mattyk;772097][B]Newsflash, Shanahan is not without flaws and he's made his share of mistakes over the years, along with quite a bit of success as well.[/B] Not even one full year in and some seem to have their minds made up that Shanahan can't get it done.

Hilarious.
[B]
Nobody said turning around this Titanic of a franchise was going to be easy. Years of mediocre play, dishing out big paydays, and inmates running the asylum is going to take some time to get reversed and on a new track.[/B][/quote]

As to the first point- sure he's had successes and failures. What coach/GM hasn't? My point is, to have his first big move as our HC/Personnel man be such a failure at such a high price at the most important position... well, pretty darn bad start.

As to the second point, is anyone saying he can't get it done? He just hasn't gotten off on the right foot.

Re: McNabb's agents take aim at the Shanahans, Mike responds...
 

[quote=Mattyk;772098]When did he say that? Last I heard MS didn't close the door on him returning.[/quote]

I think what Shanahan said is he "can't guarantee that McNabb will be back next year." But let's be honest, at this point hell will freeze over before McNabb takes another snap for us.

Re: McNabb's agents take aim at the Shanahans, Mike responds...
 

In the end it just seems like the Redskins everytime just get the worst end of everything. Nothing ever seems to work out for us. Injuries, trades, draft picks, even going back to when Sean Taylor died it's been a nightmare since.

Re: McNabb's agents take aim at the Shanahans, Mike responds...
 

With our luck to McNabb will go somewhere else next year and tear it up haha.

Re: McNabb's agents take aim at the Shanahans, Mike responds...
 

[quote=Schneed10;772021]I don't mind the my way or the highway approach. Shanahan's nothing if not decisive.

McNabb has given us the deep ball this year, that's about it. [B]He's slow in his drops away from center, DEs are usually turning the corner by the time he's at the top of his drop.[/B] He's as erratic as ever on the short throws, skipping them at the feet of receivers. He's not making his reads fast enough. And he's lost quite a bit of mobility.

I see why Andy Reid didn't mind trading him within the division.

I don't fault Shanahan for this decision whatsoever, and could care less how McNabb feels about it. What sucks is that QB guru Shanahan couldn't see that McNabb was done BEFORE making the trade for him.[/quote]

Glad you pointed this out... when I was watching the game Sunday, I was trying to figure out what looked so different about the pace of our offense. This is nail on the head for me.... Grossman was MUCH quicker getting away from center, giving him the chance to read the defense much earlier.

Good call.

Re: McNabb's agents take aim at the Shanahans, Mike responds...
 

Ya know - - there is more than enough blame to go around in this goat rope.

Here is what bothers me...

If there were adult supervision around Redskins Park, the adult would put a stop to this kind of nonsense - - quickly and permanently. This kind of nonsense is reminiscent of the spats between Al Davis and various folks - - including one Mike Shanahan by the way - - where the entire franchise looks ridiculous in the eyes of people in the NFL and around the NFL.
[INDENT][B]Memo to Fletcher Smith, Donovan McNabb, Mike Shanahan, Kyle Shanahan:[/B]
Grow up.

[B]STFU.[/B]
Have a nice Holiday Season.[/INDENT]

Re: McNabb's agents take aim at the Shanahans, Mike responds...
 

Luck, Locker or Gabbert?

Re: McNabb's agents take aim at the Shanahans, Mike responds...
 

Seriously, I'm starting to lose a lot of respect for Donovan McNabb. I mean, having his agent come out and take aim at the coaching staff is ridiculous. He needs to face the facts that HE has not played up to his potential here in Washington. The Shanahans require 110% effort, and DM just hasn't given such. I know there are fans here who never want to place blame where it belongs (mostly player execution of plays) but it all boils down to McNabb just not making the grade. Other than the deep ball, he hasn't shown us anything better or different than what we had with Jason Campbell.

Sure, I put blame on Mike Shanahan for how he handled the Detroit game, but in the bigger scheme of things, Mike realizes bringing Donovan McNabb on board was a big, epic fail, at least for this season.

Re: McNabb's agents take aim at the Shanahans, Mike responds...
 

[quote=SirClintonPortis;772026]Shanahan the coach's decision is not a bad decision, [B]although reducing him to "scout team" dude is kind of excessive.[/B]
Shanahan the PR guy and GM deserve marks of "needs improvement".

Some fans should realize that the younger Shanahan is less patient than them. :D[/quote]


You got your facts wrong. Donovan volunteered to run the scout team. McNabb was not told to run the scout team by either Shannahan.

Re: McNabb's agents take aim at the Shanahans, Mike responds...
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;772027]Mike wants players that produce on the field, Donovan wasn't producing therefor he was benched twice. I like 5 and always have but he was very poor in about 10 games this season.. Maybe Kyle just can't get along with him idk but [B]I did find it a little odd that Rex got more screens and short passes last week.[/quote]
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That's because they had to neutralize the Cowboys rush up the middle. It is what it is. There's no conspiracy against McNabb. Donovan is way too laid back to play in this offense. Let's move on.

Re: McNabb's agents take aim at the Shanahans, Mike responds...
 

[quote=GMScud;772024]Agreed. Shanny's only signature move thus far has been a gigantic fail on many levels- giving up such important picks to get McNabb, the week 8 benching and ensuing joke of an explanation, and the recent McNabb fiasco. Really piss poor.

And the Haynesworth saga. Shanny really looks pretty bad right now. He needs a few years to see if he can work his thing, but this year was embarrassing.[/quote]



Obviously, you are a Mike Shannahan fan. I would applaud any coach that displaces his starter because he does not feel the starter is getting the job done.

This is a game of making moves with your roster to better the team, not a game of being politically correct. If Donovan leaves at the end of this season, he will make roughly $3 Million big bucks. Please, bench me and let me move on.

Re: McNabb's agents take aim at the Shanahans, Mike responds...
 

How was this handled poorly? What is the NFL coming to when you can't bench a QB for poor performance?

I don't give a shit what Mcnabb has done in Philly. He hasn't done shit here, and it's not only because he doens't know the offense.

-His drop from center is slow as dog shit. He litereally gets to take a look at 1-2 reads before he's sacked, and that has to do with the Oline, but it also has to do with his drop from center.

-He underthrows alot of WR's. Armstrong should have atleast 2-3 more TD's this year, but has had to come back for the ball or go off his route to make a nice catch.

How many times against Dallas to our WR's actaully catch the football and was able to run for 3-7 more yards after the catch?

You never see that with Mcnabb.. He always throws it low, and our WR's have to catch it and fall to the ground.