Secondary help and Returner in the Draft
 

With not having a #1 pick, i know we may not get a starter...but has anyone thought about Hester if he falls to our 3rd or 4th round picks...I know he will need alot of work on Deffense, but he would ad depth and speed and youth to a needed possition...and he would be a GREAT pick up for Special teams, where he can earn his Roster spot for 2 years before, we Springs is done and then he slides to the #2 CB spot opposite of Rogers. What do you guys think????

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One guy that I was impressed with this year and I don't even know if hes a senior or what. He may be a freshmen for all I know but he was impressive to me. Chancey Stuckey from Clemson. Did anyone else see him this year? Also the other Moss from Miami. The first starting brother wr tandem in history.

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I think that we should try a 3rd round pick on little Moss. I mean he is blazing fast, I think I read somewhere that when they played backyard football Santana and his brother had to be on opposite teams because they were the only two that could cover each other. To go along with his speed is his returning abliities, I have heard however that his hands are not as good as big brothers. I say we pick him, use him on special teams and groom him to be a WR, also if he is as fast as they say that will be hard to cover him and Santana...

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Don't we have a 2nd round pick?

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We have a 2nd round pick...and I wouldn't mind getting Mosses brother, but as of right now they are expecting him to go early in the 2nd...before we pick...and I really wouldn't want 2 of the same type of WR's...I dont think they would complement each other as well as we would like.

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do you guys want moss because of his name?he wasnt the go to guy in miami,and mel kiper predicted he was at best a late pick(not in the first 2 rounds)

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we just kind of need another reciever, and having 2 mosses would mean that it would be near impossible to blanket both, leaving one open

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I think people like the name and his speed...but i would rather find a Solid Possesion WR, that has speed...this way Patten can be on one side, Moss can move around in the slot...and the other WR (J.Jurvicous)can command some kind of coverage (Warm Body)that none of the other WR on our roster could....

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As far as secondary help goes, do you guys remember our interest in Jeremetrius Butler from the Rams a couple of years back? He was an RFA, and the Rams wound up matching our offer, but I'm wondering if he's an UFA now. Then again, they probably signed him to a long term deal.

I think it's still vital to add maybe one more solid prospect in the secondary. Springs has been solid for us, but sometimes his health can be an issue, and Williams' defense depends heavily on cornerbacks.

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That's what i was trying to bring up...GW, needs depth at secondary.This past year we did it with alot of Vet. Safties...but you know he would like someone faster then Harris as the nickle and a mix of youth for depth at CB...that's why i brought up Hester..and he could EASILY replace Brown as our KR and PR next year and be our Dime CB for the next 2 years and then move to Nickle or # 2 CB with Rogers when Springs leaves via CAP or Retire.

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[QUOTE=dmek25]do you guys want moss because of his name?he wasnt the go to guy in miami,and mel kiper predicted he was at best a late pick(not in the first 2 rounds)[/QUOTE]
I heard the same thing about him being a late pick thats why I said 3rd round.

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If we're going to take a "chance" on a receiver in the 3rd round, I really do want a big guy.

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I want a big guy...just not another Gardner...they dont have to have 4.2 speed, but they have to be able to get away from a nickler CB.

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[QUOTE=j_j__l]That's what i was trying to bring up...GW, needs depth at secondary.This past year we did it with alot of Vet. Safties...but you know he would like someone faster then Harris as the nickle and a mix of youth for depth at CB...that's why i brought up Hester..and he could EASILY replace Brown as our KR and PR next year and be our Dime CB for the next 2 years and then move to Nickle or # 2 CB with Rogers when Springs leaves via CAP or Retire.[/QUOTE]

I thought Hester would be considered a Round 1 prospect.

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Hester Doesn't even want to play CB. Thats why he moved to WR. Plus he wasn't good a CB. Kiper has Moss as a top 32 player on his chart. So Moss may not even make it to our 2nd round pick.

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That's weird because normally all CBs are just WRs who weren't very good.

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I say use the second round pick on the best pass rusher available then use the next couple of picks on corners.

They do not need to use a high pick on someone with questionable hands (see Rod"50-50"Gardener).

Denver did a good job of getting cornerback depth in the mid to late rounds last year.

Just don't draft another friggin fullback...

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They won't get Moss or Hester. Hester is going in the first round.

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection]That's weird because normally all CBs are just WRs who weren't very good.[/QUOTE]exactly..... they put the kids who cant catch on d

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what about haas out of oregon state the guy just knows how to get open and catches everything lacks speed though, but he's got that wayne chrebet (or cooley) ability just finds open spots and makes big plays.

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[QUOTE=Grim21Reaper]I say use the second round pick on the best pass rusher available then use the next couple of picks on corners.

They do not need to use a high pick on someone with questionable hands (see Rod"50-50"Gardener).

Denver did a good job of getting cornerback depth in the mid to late rounds last year.

Just don't draft another friggin fullback...[/QUOTE]

i agree. except id only take a DE if a good prospect has dropped down, or if a darryl tapp was still available. otherwise, i would go with CB. we need another CB badly, as springs is old and only has 1 or 2 peak years left, and walt harris is also old, and quite average

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[url]http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/cb/willblackmon.html[/url]

might be a player we should target in 2nd or 3rd round. would help atleast on special teams

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[QUOTE=Big C][url]http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/cb/willblackmon.html[/url]

might be a player we should target in 2nd or 3rd round. would help atleast on special teams[/QUOTE]


I agree, I was just going to post about him. He is the only player from BC that really stuck out when I saw them play a few times this year. He is a stud and has experience at CB and WR. I was reading a chat with Maurice Stovall from ND and he said he was the toughest CB he played against. I would love to pick him up.

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[QUOTE=Redskins8588]I heard the same thing about him being a late pick thats why I said 3rd round.[/QUOTE]
A third rounder should be able to contribute now and be a starter by the second half of his second season. I would say any first day picks(rounds 1,2 or 3) are quality players and shouldn't be used for "chances" or "flyers". Not that he is a flyer. Just wanted to state that I think 3rd rounders need to be solid prospects and not just guys with speed or size. They needed to have done something in college worth taking them on the first day. I am concerned that Moss wasn't even the #1 guy in Miami. He wasn't too special. Contrast him to what his brother did when he was there. Santana was IT. The dude did everything. The only reason he wasn't a top 3 pick was his size.

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[QUOTE=skinspt-11]Hester Doesn't even want to play CB. Thats why he moved to WR. Plus he wasn't good a CB. Kiper has Moss as a top 32 player on his chart. So Moss may not even make it to our 2nd round pick.[/QUOTE]
Where did you see Kiper having Moss so high?

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[QUOTE=PSUskinsfan11]I agree, I was just going to post about him. He is the only player from BC that really stuck out when I saw them play a few times this year. He is a stud and has experience at CB and WR. I was reading a chat with Maurice Stovall from ND and he said he was the toughest CB he played against. I would love to pick him up.[/QUOTE]
Blackmon sounds nice, but i would like to see gametape on him though...because his 40 time looks slow for a CB???? Not bad for Safety or a Possesion WR...but most CB's run in the 4.4 area....I brought up Hester, because i thought he would be available with our 3rd round pick...From what i was reading he came out to early and has NO diffined possition other then KR, i think with our coachs and if he wants to play CB, his speed and return ability would justify picking him in the third...because he would start on Special teams and be an upgrade there his Rookie year...and then when GW thinks he's up to speed later in his 2nd year he can be our knickleback....But i also agree with an earlier post that we need to get the BEST DE or CB available with our 2nd round pick, pending on which is the highest on our board at the time...

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Looking for late round help at CB...look at this guy...[url]http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/cb/davidpittman.html[/url]

6 foot and a solid 40time...and we can teach him tech. and where the gym is...and it the projection is right we could get him as low as round 5/6....

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Devon Hester, would be a steal... Potential like Champ Bailey....this guy would be great I would take him...no prob

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I wouldn't put Hester up there with Champ, just because he's doesn't have the instinct or fundamentals Champ has/had coming out of Georgia...but i think with the GREAT coachs we have and his natural speed/ability, he could turn into a solid CB if not fring ProBowler in a couple of years (3+)....but i think his speed/style would complement Rogers after Springs leaves (2/3 years)

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malcom why are you so hung up on size??

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1-3rd rounders should all be capable of starting. Players don't play for 53 years, so guys beyond the first round have to account for some of your roster ;)

S moss jr has good hands, but i think his ball reaction isn't as good. There simply aren't many good WRs out there this year and he'd be a safer bet than some others. Unless gibbs talks samarjzda into trying the nfl (6'6" 1250 yards, 15 TDs, he's going back for another year, also 8-1 as a pitcher last year), I like moss as a 2nd-3rd rounder and not much else at WR.

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[QUOTE=dmek25]malcom why are you so hung up on size??[/QUOTE]

Confused.

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[QUOTE=dmek25]malcom why are you so hung up on size??[/QUOTE]
He heard somewhere that size matters.

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Jeezus, I'm confused. What are you guys talking about?

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection]Jeezus, I'm confused. What are you guys talking about?[/QUOTE]
I have no idea what he is talking about. I was making a totally lame joke.

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every thread that involves a wr,the first thing you say is the skins need a receiver with size.why?

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HA! Sorry man, with all the confusion your joke was lost. I'm wondering if he's talking about the huge Hummer I drive, the 10 gallon hat I wear and the huge belt buckle I have to compensate for my overwhelmingly small johnson?

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Here's my reason for this:

I love Moss as our receiver and I touted just getting ANY viable receiving threat in the offseason. NOW, since we have a burner we need someone who can go up and get jump balls or someone who can take a pounding over the middle. Moss is tough for his size, but if you notice they tried to keep him from catching balls in traffic, basically limiting that part of the field.

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i would agree but.... at this point the skins need SOMEONE who can at least catch the ball once in a while,regardless of size.with our picks in the draft seems like the way to go since we are alittle cash strapped right now. ps-sorry about the small johnson(ha ha)

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection]HA! Sorry man, with all the confusion your joke was lost. I'm wondering if he's talking about the huge Hummer I drive, the 10 gallon hat I wear and the huge belt buckle I have to compensate for my overwhelmingly small johnson?[/QUOTE]
That's what Gmanc intimated to me. What REALLY happened on your all's trip up north?