Is James Thrash more Buck for the Bang?!?
 

Lets face it.....James Thrash is getting old and his salary is increasing
reasons to drop James Thrash
1) Redskins have better offensive weapons than Thrash :
Our Redskin recievers (Moss, Lloyd, and Randel El) and Tight End (Chris Cooley) are all extremely talented players. James Thrash is not very talented
2) He could be considered as a good Special Teams Player......but lets get down to earth now, we HAVE RANDEL EL for Special Teams. Thrash is no longer needed. And if you go back and watch thrash's kick and escpecially punt returning he was pretty bad.
3) If we get rid of Thrash we can use his salary to bring better players to the Redskins team
4) Thrash is injury prone
5) Redskins have plenty of depth on the offensive end

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I can appreciate your point, and sometimes I feel the same way, but he's not costing us much, and like it or not, Gibbs looks at him as classic "veteran leadership" material.

His strength on special teams isn't necessarily his return ability, but it's his speed down the sidelines that gets him to the return man quickly, drawing double teams, and downing the ball inside the 5 yard line.

He's non-existant as a receiving threat on offense -- not many will try to argue with you on that. But I'd still say his chances are pretty good at being the fifth wideout behind Patten this year.

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Thats true, he does bring veteran leadership and does have good speed on special teams, but after everything is weighed out, i think that his time has passes.

BUT.....you also said that he isn't costing us much, and i don't really know how much he is making, so if you or anyone knows how much he is making, post it here...

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Thrash is the prototype Gibbs player. Hard worker, high motor, a top teams guy. Not the WR he once was, but he can still contribute.

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[quote=DCsports]Lets face it.....James Thrash is getting old and his salary is increasing
reasons to drop James Thrash
1) Redskins have better offensive weapons than Thrash :
Our Redskin recievers (Moss, Lloyd, and Randel El) and Tight End (Chris Cooley) are all extremely talented players. James Thrash is not very talented
2) He could be considered as a good Special Teams Player......but lets get down to earth now, we HAVE RANDEL EL for Special Teams. Thrash is no longer needed. And if you go back and watch thrash's kick and escpecially punt returning he was pretty bad.
3) If we get rid of Thrash we can use his salary to bring better players to the Redskins team
4) Thrash is injury prone
5) Redskins have plenty of depth on the offensive end[/quote]I don't think Randle El will play any special teams if not a return man. I also think he will end up returning punts only, and not kicks. His impact will be on offense. Thrash is a cheap, veteran presence among the receivers. He's been the go to guy before so he can be the 4th WR if we don't keep Patten. And hes one of the best special teams players, maybe in the league.

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[quote=DCsports]Thats true, he does bring veteran leadership and does have good speed on special teams, but after everything is weighed out, i think that his time has passes.

BUT.....you also said that he isn't costing us much, and i don't really know how much he is making, so if you or anyone knows how much he is making, post it here...[/quote]
His base salary for 2006 (how much we would save by releasing him) is 1.13 mil

Patten by comparision is making 1.85 mil

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we will see this season how he does...

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you beat me to it GTripp.
no way randle el plays on st. other than as a returner. but to answer the topic, thrash stays and hauls in more rec. than patten this year

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i think patten and thrash are gonna stay, but jacobs in my opinion is finished

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Thrash is the prototype Gibbs player. Hard worker, high motor, a top teams guy. Not the WR he once was, but he can still contribute.[/QUOTE]
Two other things about Thrash:
1) He comes back to the QB when he's in trouble.
2) He knows where the first-down marker is.

Except for his (ahem) false-start penalty against Green Bay 2 years ago, he doesn't make mistakes.

(Yes, this is my first post.)

HOW ABOUT FRED SMOOT AS THE FACE OF THE REDSKINS? ;-)

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thrash is one of the best gunners in the game, and our young WR's around him will see his work ethic everyday... well worth the money

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[quote=DCsports]Lets face it.....James Thrash is getting old and his salary is increasing
reasons to drop James Thrash
1) Redskins have better offensive weapons than Thrash :
Our Redskin recievers (Moss, Lloyd, and Randel El) and Tight End (Chris Cooley) are all extremely talented players. James Thrash is not very talented
2) He could be considered as a good Special Teams Player......but lets get down to earth now, we HAVE RANDEL EL for Special Teams. Thrash is no longer needed. And if you go back and watch thrash's kick and escpecially punt returning he was pretty bad.
3) If we get rid of Thrash we can use his salary to bring better players to the Redskins team
4) Thrash is injury prone
5) Redskins have plenty of depth on the offensive end[/quote]

2) he's a monster as a gunner on coverage, where he always draws a double team and as a blocker that won't miss his assignments. he can FC, but that's not why he's good on special teams.

3) oh yeah, who? who is going to improve our team right now for 875k? who's even available? why should our #5 WR be farris or jacobs when thrash can actually catch balls every now and then?

4) that's a lie. in the previous six years he's missed a grand total of 1 game. he missed 4 last year... how the **** is that being injury prone? (in the 2 years before that he wasn't even an every game player, but missing games due to talent issues does NOT constitute being injury prone).

5) so you rather keep jacobs over thrash cause the depth is "good enough"? come on. there's no reason or need to dump a player that'd lower overall team talent if he wants to be here and his salary can't be used to get someone better. therefore there's absolutely no good reason to release him.

how many teams only carry 4 WRs into the season? we did last year, but gibbs himself said it was a really oddity to do that right at the start (of the season), and it bit us down the stretch when jacobs and farris were forced into starting roles.

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[quote=DCsports]Lets face it.....James Thrash is getting old and his salary is increasing
reasons to drop James Thrash
1) Redskins have better offensive weapons than Thrash :
Our Redskin recievers (Moss, Lloyd, and Randel El) and Tight End (Chris Cooley) are all extremely talented players. James Thrash is not very talented
2) He could be considered as a good Special Teams Player......but lets get down to earth now, we HAVE RANDEL EL for Special Teams. Thrash is no longer needed. And if you go back and watch thrash's kick and escpecially punt returning he was pretty bad.
3) If we get rid of Thrash we can use his salary to bring better players to the Redskins team
4) Thrash is injury prone
5) Redskins have plenty of depth on the offensive end[/quote]

James Trash as he may be deserves to put a ring on his finger for endouring the drought. He has heart and Better keep making takles on special teams

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Thrash's our best gunner on ST and in third down situation he does the little things to get himself open. Simply put, he ain't getting cut!

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We should have never let Thrash go in the first place. He was a true Redskin from the start.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]We should have never let Thrash go in the first place. He was a true Redskin from the start.[/QUOTE]

the same could be said for Brian Mitchell,I hated to see him go

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At this point in the game I think there is no reason to cut ANYONE for being too expensive. We are under the salary cap with plenty of money to sign our rookies and have an IR fund. Are we trying to save Snyder some money here? We need to keep the most talented guys on the roster, and I believe that Thrash, with his special teams skills, is definitely one of those guys. But if someone beats him out in camp, so be it...I just dont think its likely to happen!

To reiterate my point about Thrash (and Patten): We are under the cap. Why try to save money?

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We all keep talking about Thrash, Patten and Jacobs. Right now I would think 2 of these guys will stay and 1 will be gone by September. It is unrealistic to think the Skins will pick up another WR after the June 1 cuts to replace any of them. Why! Because who is going to want to come to the Skins to be a 4th or 5th receiver? No one, other than the guys we have now. Other than these 3 guys someone may really shine during camp and take Thrash or Patten's place, but I think we have our WRs in place it is just a matter of figuring out who will be 4th or 5th. I think 5WRs is all we will carry on the roster.

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[QUOTE=That Guy]2) he's a monster as a gunner on coverage, where he always draws a double team and as a blocker that won't miss his assignments. he can FC, but that's not why he's good on special teams.

3) oh yeah, who? who is going to improve our team right now for 875k? who's even available? why should our #5 WR be farris or jacobs when thrash can actually catch balls every now and then?

4) that's a lie. in the previous six years he's missed a grand total of 1 game. he missed 4 last year... how the **** is that being injury prone? (in the 2 years before that he wasn't even an every game player, but missing games due to talent issues does NOT constitute being injury prone).

5) so you rather keep jacobs over thrash cause the depth is "good enough"? come on. there's no reason or need to dump a player that'd lower overall team talent if he wants to be here and his salary can't be used to get someone better. therefore there's absolutely no good reason to release him.

how many teams only carry 4 WRs into the season? we did last year, but gibbs himself said it was a really oddity to do that right at the start (of the season), and it bit us down the stretch when jacobs and farris were forced into starting roles.[/QUOTE]
Facts are cool.

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Don't forget that Thrash caught the 4th and 3 play that set up the comeback against Dallas. He makes good plays and never makes bonehead ones...

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clarification: jacobs sucks

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James Thrash has a work ethic that inspires others to work hard. As coach Gibbs said, he gives it his all on every snap of every game and even of every snap in practice. When you find someone who epitomizes what hard work means and others can look to that...that is not a person that you want to cut from your team.

Besides, James Thrash IS talented. He is a great special teams player like everyone said. He is an awesome gunner and a more than decent returner. He is VERY fast and he never makes dumb mistakes. He makes plays when the team needs them and he is ALWAYS a reliable option, even at receiver.

Well, some want to talk trash...I want to talk Thrash!

HTTR

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haha your funny...

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[quote=amorentz]At this point in the game I think there is no reason to cut ANYONE for being too expensive. We are under the salary cap with plenty of money to sign our rookies and have an IR fund. Are we trying to save Snyder some money here? We need to keep the most talented guys on the roster, and I believe that Thrash, with his special teams skills, is definitely one of those guys. But if someone beats him out in camp, so be it...I just dont think its likely to happen!

To reiterate my point about Thrash (and Patten): We are under the cap. Why try to save money?[/quote]When you think to the future, you want to take the cap hits now when you have the cash to do so. If a guy has a large contract, and isn't gonna get much playing time, it's better to let them go now rather than eat it all later.

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[quote=GTripp0012]When you think to the future, you want to take the cap hits now when you have the cash to do so. If a guy has a large contract, and isn't gonna get much playing time, it's better to let them go now rather than eat it all later.[/quote]

True dat - it could go both ways

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[quote=GTripp0012]When you think to the future, you want to take the cap hits now when you have the cash to do so. If a guy has a large contract, and isn't gonna get much playing time, it's better to let them go now rather than eat it all later.[/quote]

thrash isn't expensive at all to drop, and neither is patten. but have super tiny signing bonuses.