Foxsports Wide Receiver/Tight End Rankings
 

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This thing is retarded...how could they put the redskins 13th...they are at least top 5

and look at the teams they put ahead of us, it's rediculous...and they don't even give good reasons

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lloyd and el aren't really proven and our QB isn't peyton manning. I disagree with it a bit too though. dallas, pittsburg, NE and SD are too high, KC might be (but its hard to argue based on the numbers). NE and pittsburg have no #2s right now yet both make the top 10? rookie WRs tend to suck (though randy moss and anquan boldin did well).

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[I]"Sinorice Moss may hope to be his brother, but that is about as likely as Eli Manning being as good as his brother."[/I]

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Dallas #1?

C'mon

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[quote=Mattyk72]Dallas #1?

C'mon[/quote]


Why not?

TO is top four - even if you can't stand him you can't name four better WR in the L.

Glenn led the league in Yards per catch.

Witten is a Top 5 TE.

Can anyone else match that?

KC probably yeah might be better, Indy probably, might be better, Seattle? not with those drops and without Jurivicious.


But Dallas isn't out of the equation.

Is Washington better than 13th?

I think so but it hinges on EL and Lloyd. Cooley and Moss are top level up where mamma keeps the peanut butter, but I am not sold on EL and Lloyd. I think they are two #3 recievers.

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exactly what i was thinking, how can a 32 year old trouble maker, a scared to take a hit number 2 reciever an ALRIGHT tight end, with a qb that takes too long in the pocket with a line that possibly could be worse than the texans of last year and a running game thats non-existent.

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I'm sorry Dallas does not have the best receivers in the league. They just don't.

[URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/chat/sportsnation/story?id=2502031"]ESPN's rankings[/URL] were more accurate in my opinion. Dallas at #5 I'll buy.

#1? Please.

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[quote=5RINGS]Why not?

TO is top four - even if you can't stand him you can't name four better WR in the L.

Glenn led the league in Yards per catch.

Witten is a Top 5 TE.

Can anyone else match that?

KC probably yeah might be better, Indy probably, might be better, Seattle? not with those drops and without Jurivicious.


But Dallas isn't out of the equation.

Is Washington better than 13th?

I think so but it hinges on EL and Lloyd. Cooley and Moss are top level up where mamma keeps the peanut butter, but I am not sold on EL and Lloyd. I think they are two #3 recievers.[/quote]
Randle El might be a #3 receiver, but no way Lloyd is. I think it is amazing that he put up those numbers with quarterbacks who were that bad. Hey remember when Lloyd put up 142 and 2 tds week 3 against the cowboys. Then he had Alex Smith starting 7 games and Cody Pickett starting 2 games...so thats 9 games where its pretty much not possible to do well. Lloyd still had 2 other 100 yard games when he didn't have these two terrible qbs. He was also the only receiving threat that they had, so he always had the best people covering him. He is definitely a legitimate #2 receiver, which is all that he has to be.

People also said that Moss was only a #3 receiver.

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[quote=That Guy][I]"Sinorice Moss may hope to be his brother, but that is about as likely as Eli Manning being as good as his brother."[/I][/quote]

I really hope Eli and my boy sinorice suffer from Billy Ripken Disorder and never hold a stat toward their brothers.

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These rankings must be arranged in order from oldest to youngest. TO and TG combine for 64 years.

Terry "Where's Sean Taylor" Glenn led the league in yards per catch as well as dumps per pants.

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I can't make the case for the Chargers, Chiefs, Steelers, Raiders, and Seattle being ahead of us.

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i like the esspn rankings better too, though i think #3 in pass catchers might be a bit high ;)

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That is one of the worst ranking "lists" I have ever seen. It is ridiculous on so many fronts.

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This is one of the worst articles that I have ever seen. I think the Chinese are hacking our sights again.

Seattle second? KC 7th? (I didn't really see "ageless Eddie Kennison" did I?) San Diego 5th? New England 10th? Are they ranking running games?

Let's get serious.

I would rather have a probowl wide out than tight end. Seattle and New England have neither.


Here is my top 10:

1. Indy - Marvin, Reggie, Stokely, Clark Their QB makes them "Simply the best"
2. Dallas - T.O., Glenn, Witten, Crayton is pretty strong (Glenn will come back to earth this year but T.O. will make up the difference).
3. Washington - Moss, Lloyd, Cooley, Randle-El. Probably the most balanced attack in football.
4. Arizona - Fitz, Boldin, Johnson, Pope. The first two are sickening. The last two make you vomit.
5. Carolina - All World Steve Smith, Meshawn, Colbert and Carter.
6. Rams - Touchdown Torry Holt, Bruce, Curtis. All three produce.
7. Cincy - Chad, Housh, & #8749942 (Henry).
8. Oakland - Why is everyone anti-Moss? He is the best in the game when healthy and luckily Porter was hit so hard by Taylor that he forgot to be afraid to go over the middle.
9. G-men - Burress, Shockey, Toomer - Not too bad.
10. Seahawks - Jackson, Burleson, Engram Stevens. Good on paper but let me know when all four will be healthy enough to start in the same game.

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[quote=FRPLG]That is one of the worst ranking "lists" I have ever seen. It is ridiculous on so many fronts.[/quote]

It is partially bc FOX is gay about their stat system. They do not use the conventional stat system for power rankings, and other rankings in general. They sweat their own nuts so much, they post ridiculous stuff like this.

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[quote=724Skinsfan]
Terry "Where's Sean Taylor" Glenn led the league in yards per catch as well as dumps per pants.[/quote]

hahahaa

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[quote=steveo395]Randle El might be a #3 receiver, but no way Lloyd is. I think it is amazing that he put up those numbers with quarterbacks who were that bad. Hey remember when Lloyd put up 142 and 2 tds week 3 against the cowboys. Then he had Alex Smith starting 7 games and Cody Pickett starting 2 games...so thats 9 games where its pretty much not possible to do well. Lloyd still had 2 other 100 yard games when he didn't have these two terrible qbs. He was also the only receiving threat that they had, so he always had the best people covering him. He is definitely a legitimate #2 receiver, which is all that he has to be.

People also said that Moss was only a #3 receiver.[/quote]

Exactly Moss had one decent season with the NYJ, and after that people considered he was washed up, etc. If you remember the trade with Coles, every Skins fan was pissed and unsure about Moss. The media gave the SKins and Danny Boy alotta shit for such a bad trade. But Gibbs saw potential and I guess that is all that really matters. He saw potential with Lloyd, because of his good performance with shitty QB's. If you compare the Lloyd pickup to getting Moss last year, the Lloyd pickup looks much better at this point in time, so hopefully Lloyd will blossom into a good reciever for our system.

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Another idiotic comment from a Fox guy.

[url]http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5775802?FSO1&ATT=HCP&GT1=8393[/url]

I guess that Fox has no clue that Gibbs was an offensive innovator back in the day and that Saunders and Gibbs are from the same tree.

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[QUOTE=Grim21Reaper]Another idiotic comment from a Fox guy.

[url]http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5775802?FSO1&ATT=HCP&GT1=8393[/url]

I guess that Fox has no clue that Gibbs was an offensive innovator back in the day and that Saunders and Gibbs are from the same tree.[/QUOTE]

What the hell is he talking about here? :

"New England Patriots -- Replacing kicker Adam Vinatieri with Martin Gramatica may be the strategic equivalent of subbing Guillermo Mota for Jonathan Papelbon."

Can someone tell me who the hell Guillermo Mota and Jonathan Papelbon are? You're right. This guy made absolutely no sense.

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[quote=Beemnseven]What the hell is he talking about here? :

"New England Patriots -- Replacing kicker Adam Vinatieri with Martin Gramatica may be the strategic equivalent of subbing Guillermo Mota for Jonathan Papelbon."

Can someone tell me who the hell Guillermo Mota and Jonathan Papelbon are? You're right. This guy made absolutely no sense.[/quote]

Yeah this idiot is just dropping random metaphors bc he thinks that makes him sound cool, but instead he is coming off as a total tool.

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[quote=Grim21Reaper]This is one of the worst articles that I have ever seen. I think the Chinese are hacking our sights again.

Seattle second? KC 7th? (I didn't really see "ageless Eddie Kennison" did I?) San Diego 5th? New England 10th? Are they ranking running games?

Let's get serious.

I would rather have a probowl wide out than tight end. Seattle and New England have neither.


Here is my top 10:

1. Indy - Marvin, Reggie, Stokely, Clark Their QB makes them "Simply the best"
2. Dallas - T.O., Glenn, Witten, Crayton is pretty strong (Glenn will come back to earth this year but T.O. will make up the difference).
3. Washington - Moss, Lloyd, Cooley, Randle-El. Probably the most balanced attack in football.
4. Arizona - Fitz, Boldin, Johnson, Pope. The first two are sickening. The last two make you vomit.
5. Carolina - All World Steve Smith, Meshawn, Colbert and Carter.
6. Rams - Touchdown Torry Holt, Bruce, Curtis. All three produce.
7. Cincy - Chad, Housh, & #8749942 (Henry).
8. Oakland - Why is everyone anti-Moss? He is the best in the game when healthy and luckily Porter was hit so hard by Taylor that he forgot to be afraid to go over the middle.
9. G-men - Burress, Shockey, Toomer - Not too bad.
10. Seahawks - Jackson, Burleson, Engram Stevens. Good on paper but let me know when all four will be healthy enough to start in the same game.[/quote]

This list makes a lot of sense.

If Arizona gets anything from a TE then they rocket up to #1.Maybe the Rams should be #2 - a bunch of proven guys there...
I think the Giants and the seahawks should be lower. Plex is overrated. Shockey is a Top 5 TE nothing more.

Seattle drops passes. Without the tough Jurivicious, I think they just keep dropping tough passes.

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I'd have to question the Rams being ranked that high. Holt is amongst the very best in the league, but Isaac Bruce has plummetted from the top. In '99 and 2000 they were the top tandem by far. But Bruce is nothing like he used to be. Add to that a questionable quarterback situation with the glass-like Marc Bulger throwing to them, and you'll see the Rams slip back to the bottom of the NFL.

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[QUOTE]Here's the roll call:
The New York Giants, losers of Super Bowl XXXV, finished 7-9 in 2001.
The St. Louis Rams, losers of Super Bowl XXXVI, finished 7-9 in 2002.
The Oakland Raiders, decisive losers of Super Bowl XXXVII, finished 6-10 in 2003.
The Carolina Panthers, losers of Super Bowl XXXVIII, finished 7-9 in 2004.
The Philadelphia Eagles, losers of Super Bowl XXXIX, finished 6-10 in 2005.
[/QUOTE]

The Raiders were 4-12 that year. And definately didn't lose any more "decisively" then the Giants did in 2000. This article isn't even accurate.

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012]The Raiders were 4-12 that year. And definately didn't lose any more "decisively" then the Giants did in 2000. This article isn't even accurate.[/QUOTE]

We seem to be getting a lot of that from football writers this offseason. Who was it that recently said the Redskins win over the Bucs was their first playoff win since 1992?

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[quote=Grim21Reaper]This is one of the worst articles that I have ever seen. I think the Chinese are hacking our sights again.

Seattle second? KC 7th? (I didn't really see "ageless Eddie Kennison" did I?) San Diego 5th? New England 10th? Are they ranking running games?

Let's get serious.

I would rather have a probowl wide out than tight end. Seattle and New England have neither.


Here is my top 10:

1. Indy - Marvin, Reggie, Stokely, Clark Their QB makes them "Simply the best"
2. Dallas - T.O., Glenn, Witten, Crayton is pretty strong (Glenn will come back to earth this year but T.O. will make up the difference).
3. Washington - Moss, Lloyd, Cooley, Randle-El. Probably the most balanced attack in football.
4. Arizona - Fitz, Boldin, Johnson, Pope. The first two are sickening. The last two make you vomit.
5. Carolina - All World Steve Smith, Meshawn, Colbert and Carter.
6. Rams - Touchdown Torry Holt, Bruce, Curtis. All three produce.
7. Cincy - Chad, Housh, & #8749942 (Henry).
8. Oakland - Why is everyone anti-Moss? He is the best in the game when healthy and luckily Porter was hit so hard by Taylor that he forgot to be afraid to go over the middle.
9. G-men - Burress, Shockey, Toomer - Not too bad.
10. Seahawks - Jackson, Burleson, Engram Stevens. Good on paper but let me know when all four will be healthy enough to start in the same game.[/quote]

I would have to agree with you except for Oakland ,I don't care what anyone says Moss(Randy) is a quitter and any team that has him is worse off for it !.

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[quote=5RINGS]Why not?

TO is top four - even if you can't stand him you can't name four better WR in the L.

[/quote]




1-marvin harrison
2-chad johnson
3-steve smith
4-santana moss

i'd take any of those 4 over T.O

until last year, randy moss, was also considered better than T.O

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[quote=wolfeskins]1-marvin harrison
2-chad johnson
3-steve smith
4-santana moss

i'd take any of those 4 over T.O

until last year, randy moss, was also considered better than T.O[/quote]

Harrison isn't even the best WR on his team anymore.
Chad Johnson is getting into the top 5 but he is not there yet.
No arguement on steve smith
Santana Moss has had one (1) year at the Top 5 level. If he can continue to play at that level, he is top 5 no doubt. But he needs to show more than one year.

Reggie Wayne
Torry Holt
Steve Smith
TO

Coming up fast behind those four are,
Randy Moss
Santana Moss
Chad Johnson
Fitzgerald

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[quote=Giantone]I would have to agree with you except for Oakland ,I don't care what anyone says Moss(Randy) is a quitter and any team that has him is worse off for it !.[/quote]
you're just mad because you have the worst moss in the league

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[quote=5RINGS]Harrison isn't even the best WR on his team anymore.
Chad Johnson is getting into the top 5 but he is not there yet.
No arguement on steve smith
Santana Moss has had one (1) year at the Top 5 level. If he can continue to play at that level, he is top 5 no doubt. But he needs to show more than one year.

Reggie Wayne
Torry Holt
Steve Smith
TO

Coming up fast behind those four are,
Randy Moss
Santana Moss
Chad Johnson
Fitzgerald[/quote]

I looked at this list again and I thought that it is really hard to pick a top four. I don't have Boldin in there, I don't have Harrison there.

Really it is Smith first then a pack of about 10 players
johnson
TO
Moss
Moss
Fitz
Boldin
Harrison
Wayne
Holt
Ward

After Smith, it is easy to make a case for almost all of those guys for 2-4.

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[quote=5RINGS]This list makes a lot of sense.

If Arizona gets anything from a TE then they rocket up to #1.Maybe the Rams should be #2 - a bunch of proven guys there...
I think the Giants and the seahawks should be lower. Plex is overrated. Shockey is a Top 5 TE nothing more.

Seattle drops passes. Without the tough Jurivicious, I think they just keep dropping tough passes.[/quote]

Jurevicius went to the Browns

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[quote=steveo395]you're just mad because you have the worst moss in the league[/quote]


nah ,we have an unknown Moss:)

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[quote=hooskins]Exactly Moss had one decent season with the NYJ, and after that people considered he was washed up, etc. If you remember the trade with Coles, every Skins fan was pissed and unsure about Moss. The media gave the SKins and Danny Boy alotta shit for such a bad trade. But Gibbs saw potential and I guess that is all that really matters. He saw potential with Lloyd, because of his good performance with shitty QB's. If you compare the Lloyd pickup to getting Moss last year, the Lloyd pickup looks much better at this point in time, so hopefully Lloyd will blossom into a good reciever for our system.[/quote]

according to football outsiders, santana moss has been crazy good (top 10-15) for at least the last 3 years... WAY WAY WAY above coles et al.

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[quote=5RINGS]I looked at this list again and I thought that it is really hard to pick a top four. I don't have Boldin in there, I don't have Harrison there.

Really it is Smith first then a pack of about 10 players
johnson
TO
Moss
Moss
Fitz
Boldin
Harrison
Wayne
Holt
Ward

After Smith, it is easy to make a case for almost all of those guys for 2-4.[/quote]

i'd agree with that. I do think CJ's earned his spot in the top 5 though.

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Why is Steve Smith considered the best in the league? Not insinuating that he isn't a top WR but he need's to show me more consistency than having 2 out 3 good years. He may well be on his way to a Hall of Fame career but let's face it he got a lot of looks last year. His performance needs to be equaled this year for me to crown him the NFL's top WR.

I'll take Holt as my #1 receiver with Chad Johnson close behind.

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[quote=724Skinsfan]Why is Steve Smith considered the best in the league? Not insinuating that he isn't a top WR but he need's to show me more consistency than having 2 out 3 good years. He may well be on his way to a Hall of Fame career but let's face it he got a lot of looks last year. His performance needs to be equaled this year for me to crown him the NFL's top WR.

I'll take Holt as my #1 receiver with Chad Johnson close behind.[/quote]

You can't hold the year he broke his leg against him. Go on YouTube and watch his highlights from last year. Also take a look at what he did to Smoot. That will answer any questions that you have. As good as Santana is, Smith is on a whole different level.

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[quote=Grim21Reaper]You can't hold the year he broke his leg against him. Go on YouTube and watch his highlights from last year. Also take a look at what he did to Smoot. That will answer any questions that you have. As good as Santana is, Smith is on a whole different level.[/quote]

No doubt in my mind that Smith had an amazing year in 2005. As soon as I see two, preferably three, amazing years then my questions will be answered. Consistency is my tool of choice when evaluating players.

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[quote=5RINGS]Harrison isn't even the best WR on his team anymore.
Chad Johnson is getting into the top 5 but he is not there yet.
No arguement on steve smith
Santana Moss has had one (1) year at the Top 5 level. If he can continue to play at that level, he is top 5 no doubt. But he needs to show more than one year.

Reggie Wayne
Torry Holt
Steve Smith
TO

Coming up fast behind those four are,
Randy Moss
Santana Moss
Chad Johnson
Fitzgerald[/quote]\\\

You're only the best if you play and why didn't TO play last year ?You also need a QB that can get the ball to him,Cowboys are done and it will only take 1 TO blowup.:smashfrea

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offensive line play is the key to winning in this league. thats why im so suprised alot are picking the cowboys to win. it takes a couple of seasons to develope chemistry and they are going in with 3 new starters on the o line

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i do think 13 may be a bit too low, but you can't argue with most of them. Look what TO did for philly, and they had no receivers at all. Put him with Terry Glen and Jason Witten, they could be damn good. Colts are the colts, cincy, all those teams have proven WRs. Lloyd is young and had 1 decent season, Randel el is unproven as a #2 or #3. I dont think some of the teams, Pittsburg, KC and a couple others should be ahead of us, but for the most part it seems pretty accurate.

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He did have alot of good to say about or man Cooley.