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i agree during the start of the season we might of been a little quick to say put in campbell, but now i think the time has come for either gibbs to pull brunell or brunell to pull himself (highly unlikely)

i'm tierd of losing. changes need to be made, there are no excuses for losing the way we did, something's gotta give.

uhh hello gibbs, is anybody home? wake up and smell the coffee

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it is time to give JC a chance,who knows he may give the skins a spark,and they damn sure need it.i do'nt think brunnell has played that bad this year,but the players around him sure have.
i also say put portis on IR,and give betts and duckett a chance next week!

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[QUOTE=redskinsfanatic;243797]it is time to give JC a chance,who knows he may give the skins a spark,and they damn sure need it.i do'nt think brunnell has played that bad this year,but the players around him sure have.
i also say put portis on IR,and give betts and duckett a chance next week![/QUOTE]

thats a new one. everyone BUT Brunell has played bad!

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I dont think Portis' broken hand is season ending. I do think its time for Campbell. I also wish that on 3rd down and 9 they would stop throwing passes for 3-4 yards in coverage and expecting to pick it up. Thats frustrating. Since when did the sideline pass to Betts become our best play? How many times did we run that f-n play today?

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[quote=Warpath;243804]I dont think Portis' broken hand is season ending. I do think its time for Campbell. I also wish that on 3rd down and 9 they would stop throwing passes for 3-4 yards in coverage and expecting to pick it up. Thats frustrating. Since when did the sideline pass to Betts become our best play? How many times did we run that f-n play today?[/quote]

don't you know, betts is our best player, hall of famer for sure

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Blitz Brunell, ball goes to Betts. soon after comes the Punt team unless we get a lucky break or opposing team penalty.

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I love the draw play on every 3rd and 16 we have

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[QUOTE=illdefined;243799]thats a new one. everyone BUT Brunell has played bad![/QUOTE]

Define bad. Brunell hasn't played bad, by most standards, if you are running a powerful run orientated ball control offense that week after week is gobbling up clock time on offense, while the defense is shutting teams down.

Look at Baltimore and McNair, NYG and Manning, San Diego and Rivers etc al. None of them HAVE to put up big numbers, but when they are down and have to go deep, they can. When they need a receiver to pick up 9 yards on 3rd down, they can.

Brunell may be good statistically and he may have made few mistakes, but nobody is scared of him. It's no good relying on Moss to get deep on 3rd and 10, you won't get time to throw it. You need to be able to get it to Lloyd or Randle-El on a 10 yard hook or a short post. We need a QB who can find the open man on 3rd down and hit him for the 1st. Brunell isn't doing that and nobody can tell me that's all down to the rest of the team.

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[QUOTE=AnonEmouse;243831]Define bad. Brunell hasn't played bad, by most standards, if you are running a powerful run orientated ball control offense that week after week is gobbling up clock time on offense, while the defense is shutting teams down.

Look at Baltimore and McNair, NYG and Manning, San Diego and Rivers etc al. None of them HAVE to put up big numbers, but when they are down and have to go deep, they can. When they need a receiver to pick up 9 yards on 3rd down, they can.

Brunell may be good statistically and he may have made few mistakes, but nobody is scared of him. It's no good relying on Moss to get deep on 3rd and 10, you won't get time to throw it. You need to be able to get it to Lloyd or Randle-El on a 10 yard hook or a short post. We need a QB who can find the open man on 3rd down and hit him for the 1st. Brunell isn't doing that and nobody can tell me that's all down to the rest of the team.[/QUOTE]

you just defined it yourself. when you have 3 shifty WRs and a killer Tight End on 3rd and long but just predictably throw to Betts underneath after every blitz and put that bad defense right back on the field.

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"Define bad"? WTF.

Scoreboard. Three fucking points. How many trips into Eagles terrritory with no results. I'm sorry, but the QB has some major responsibility for the limp dicked offensive production.

The only problem with starting Campbell now is that it is too late for it to have an impact on this year.

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I have to disagree that a lot of us were too quick to say "Pull Brunell" before. These last few games he's done nothing but prove us right. How many 3-6 teams leave in 37 year old qbs? Arizona pulled a guy who wasn't performing. The Titans did the same. It's time for Joe Gibbs to say "I made a mistake. Mark can't get it done anymore." And throw Jason Campbell in there. Mark is holding them back.

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10 bucks Brunell stays in next game.

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[quote=hooskins;243885]10 bucks Brunell stays in next game.[/quote]
10 bucks says he starts next season...

j/k

but it wouldn't suprise me all that much.

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[QUOTE=hooskins;243885]10 bucks Brunell stays in next game.[/QUOTE]
I bet he will start next week. But if he stinks it up, and I believe he will, he will be done. I like the guy, but I mean damn...retire already. You are done.:Flush:

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Where's the Brunell love that permeated through this website for the last few weeks? Damn, did the season have to be lost before anybody read the writing on the fuckin' wall? Brunell has been playin like this all year! Campbell should have already been playing! At least he would have been gaining valuable experience win or lose. He damn sure could have done as well as Brunell if not better! How good do you have to be to lead a team to a 3-6 record?

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I'd be really surprised if Campbell doesn't start next week.

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anyone see the post game live show on comcast? I don't care if you don't like the people hosting it, Cyzabe, B Mitch, Ken Harvey, and Chick Hernandez. Im asking if anyone saw the show because B Mitch flat out asked Brunell after the game if he thought he would be the Skins starting QB in 2007. Brunell said he couldnt believe that he had been asked that question and of course looked extremely ticked off.
Also, when asked if JC gets to start next week all 4 said that they doubted JC would start in Tampa. I think its time to see if all the time we have invested in JC was worth it.

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[quote=Warpath;243896]anyone see the post game live show on comcast? I don't care if you don't like the people hosting it, Cyzabe, B Mitch, Ken Harvey, and Chick Hernandez. Im asking if anyone saw the show because B Mitch flat out asked Brunell after the game if he thought he would be the Skins starting QB in 2007. Brunell said he couldnt believe that he had been asked that question and of course looked extremely ticked off.
Also, when asked if JC gets to start next week all 4 said that they doubted JC would start in Tampa. I think its time to see if all the time we have invested in JC was worth it.[/quote]

It was cazab that asked that question not BMitch

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[QUOTE=hooskins;243899]It was cazab that asked that question not BMitch[/QUOTE]

your right, my bad

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Either way, it doesnt matter Warpath. You bring up a valid point. I agree with Matty that bringing in Campbell is logical, but at the same time, the back of my head says Gibbs will stick with the vet.

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I think it would be a good week to try someone different at QB. On the road against a rookie QB. I would be a little nervous starting someone new at QB at home because of the boo birds. I saw go for it, make the switch, what do you have to lose?

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Burnell is Gibbs' guy. Doesn't anyone remember how long it took him to put Ramsey in 2 years ago and he was playing even worse that season.

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[quote=Citizens for 81;243912]Burnell is Gibbs' guy. Doesn't anyone remember how long it took him to put Ramsey in 2 years ago and he was playing even worse that season.[/quote]
Please don't remind me!

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Campbell is also Gibbs' guy.

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[quote=Mattyk72;243916]Campbell is also Gibbs' guy.[/quote]

That's right if forgot he went down to Auburn before the draft, but I'm fairly certain Gibb's and Burnell are close personally and have more than a working relationship.

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Right, but I think he is less of a Gibbs' guy than Brunell.

Remember it is bc they go to same church lol.

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just curious , how many 1st round qbs have not taken a snap in their first 2 seasons in the nfl?

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[QUOTE=hooskins;243927]Right, but I think he is less of a Gibbs' guy than Brunell.

Remember it is bc they go to same church lol.[/QUOTE]

Didnt Brunell have to take Gibbs to the hospital when Gibbs was talking over the move to DC? I think Gibbs thinks that he owes Brunell. Maybe not, just throwing that out there.

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I think they are butt buddies, there is no other logical explanation.

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I think Burnell took him to the hospital when Gibbs went down to Fla. before the trade was even made.

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Gibbs loves his vets, especially at QB. He stuck by Theismann too long as well.

It has nothing to do with their religion or off the field relationship.

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[quote=hooskins;243932]I think they are butt buddies, there is no other logical explanation.[/quote]

They're not butt buddies, Jesus would not approve.

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This just in... MB cannot handle the blitz. If we all know this ya think other teams do? It's time for a change at qb (even if its collins).

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[QUOTE=Warpath;243896]anyone see the post game live show on comcast? I don't care if you don't like the people hosting it, Cyzabe, B Mitch, Ken Harvey, and Chick Hernandez. Im asking if anyone saw the show because B Mitch flat out asked Brunell after the game if he thought he would be the Skins starting QB in 2007. Brunell said he couldnt believe that he had been asked that question and of course looked extremely ticked off.
Also, when asked if JC gets to start next week all 4 said that they doubted JC would start in Tampa. I think its time to see if all the time we have invested in JC was worth it.[/QUOTE]



That was a blistering post game show, I always watch after every game because we have people there who are not afraid to ask the tough question (the ones they don't want to answer) and also do not sugarcoat things that are obvious because they're afraid to rock the boat. B. Mitch played for Gibbs for a long time and I'm sure still respects him as a man, but he feel much of the blame for this teams failures rest with the HC.

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[QUOTE=Longtimefan;243966]That was a blistering post game show, I always watch after every game because we have people there who are not afraid to ask the tough question (the ones they don't want to answer) and also do not sugarcoat things that are obvious because they're afraid to rock the boat. B. Mitch played for Gibbs for a long time and I'm sure still respects him as a man, but he feel much of the blame for this teams failures rest with the HC.[/QUOTE]

Actually that was Czaban who asked that question. BMitch was trashing Brunell in the studio, but Czaban's question to Brunell was a doozie - "would you go to Gibbs and tell him to give Campbell a chance now that the season's basically done?"

Excellent question, and hell yea, Brunell was wounded by the question, but still - someone's gotta ask these questions. Gibbs is a pu$$y in postgame interviews anyway. After a win, he can talk about key plays in the game and single out individual accomplishments, but after a loss, Gibbs can't comment on anything without seeing the film???? wtf!

Sad part is - forget this season, I don't think we're going anywhere next season either with the aging defense and O-line we have. Somewhere, Lenny Pasta is laughing hard and feeling vindicated by his bold prediction from Feb 2004 about the failure of GIbbs 2.0

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I felt that the Skin's should have had Collins at QB this game, simply because he knows Al's system, after losing this week I think they should got to Jason to develop him the rest of the year.

Brunnell does not have enough zip when he needs it anymore, and the legs have gotten slower than they have been.

I have confidence that Gibbs will make the change, I think Gibbs realizes he has gone above and beyond how long he has stuck by Brunnell.

[B][COLOR="Red"]There has never been a player with more talented and humble than Darrel Green !!!![/COLOR][/B]

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[quote=hurrykaine;243974]Gibbs is a pu$$y in postgame interviews anyway.[/quote]

That's one of the worst things I've read about Gibbs on this site. He's LOYAL, he's not a pussy.

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[quote=Mattyk72;243935]Gibbs loves his vets, especially at QB. He stuck by Theismann too long as well.

It has nothing to do with their religion or off the field relationship.[/quote]

Your correct. Gibbs likes the vets. But this is getting absurd. If I were D. Snyder I would DEMAND that Jason play next week or your fired. Personally I'm getting so sick and tired of Gibbs act. Honestly I hope he leaves after this year. He is a soft coach now. The conservative game plans and the horrible personal moves are bad enough. Then when they stink up the joint he comes on TV and says were all in it togehter and we have a lot of fight and character. What a bunch of bullshit. Go tell that crap to your wife. But don't tell it to the fans. You are what your record is and that's not very good. And even if they start Campbell do you honestly think the game plan will change? They are still going to call 30 screen plays a game and try and baby him.

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[quote=GREENSTHEMAN;243987]I felt that the Skin's should have had Collins at QB this game, simply because he knows Al's system, after losing this week I think they should got to Jason to develop him the rest of the year.

Brunnell does not have enough zip when he needs it anymore, and the legs have gotten slower than they have been.

I have confidence that Gibbs will make the change, I think Gibbs realizes he has gone above and beyond how long he has stuck by Brunnell.

[B][COLOR=red]There has never been a player with more talented and humble than Darrel Green !!!![/COLOR][/B][/quote]


Saunders system????? Screw his stupid ass system! How about getting in the Qb in which you have 2 #1 picks invested in and having a smaller game plan. Then go in with a small game plan and EXECUTE THE PLAYS. I'm so tired of this 700 page playbook BS. The Colts run a basic offense. Wayne on the left and Harrison on the right and they don't use any motion. They just frickin execute better than anyone else. Of course having Manning doesn't hurt but I'm sure you people out there get my point.

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[quote=skinsfan69;244011]Your correct. Gibbs likes the vets. But this is getting absurd. If I were D. Snyder I would DEMAND that Jason play next week or your fired. Personally I'm getting so sick and tired of Gibbs act. Honestly I hope he leaves after this year. He is a soft coach now. The conservative game plans and the horrible personal moves are bad enough. Then when they stink up the joint he comes on TV and says were all in it togehter and we have a lot of fight and character. What a bunch of bullshit. Go tell that crap to your wife. But don't tell it to the fans. You are what your record is and that's not very good. And even if they start Campbell do you honestly think the game plan will change? They are still going to call 30 screen plays a game and try and baby him.[/quote]

i think it's assinine to blame this all on gibbs.gibbs came back because hew anted to bring the redskins back after all those bullshit years with norv turner,and steve spurrier who did'nt really know shit about pro football.he gives them the best chance to win since he left in 1993.i'd like to see some changes,JC at qb.blitz more,but gibbs has put 3 years into this,and think out of respect,he at least deserves the next two seasons to at least try and do it!and like i said,if you bring a new coach,the team's gonna suck the next 3 years so let the man finish what he started.