What was the LLoyd vs ARE arguement about at the end of the game?
 

Anyone heard? I didn't see it but heard it mentioned on redskins lunch. I did see Lloyd throw his helmet though. Kindof a bonehead play, but our offense looked confused, lost, and innept over the last 6-7 minutes of the game.

FWIW i like LLoyd and at least he has shown some heart, so on this one i'll give him a pass. He was most likely p*****. When we throw to him he catches it and good things happen. More importantly the guy blocks his a** off. Thoughts...

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Lloyd is a decent blocker, but everything else you said was a bunch of crap, he has dropped many balls (lots of them being important plays), and to my memory had only one big play, and that didnt even result in a touchdown.

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I don't think Lloyd and ARE were fighting. It was just that Lloyd got fired up and ARE grabbed him to keep under control from doing something stupid.

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yeah i had to drive to the airport at the end of the game. what exactly happened with that?

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[quote=BeastsoftheNFCeast;255738]Lloyd is a decent blocker, but everything else you said was a bunch of crap, he has dropped many balls (lots of them being important plays), and to my memory had only one big play, and that didnt even result in a touchdown.[/quote]



has he really dropped "many balls", as you say ? i only recall him dropping a few. i think him and A.R.EL have been pretty good additions to the team,yes they've been a little sporadic(sp) but so has the whole offense.

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[quote=wolfeskins;255827]has he really dropped "many balls", as you say ? i only recall him dropping a few. i think him and A.R.EL have been pretty good additions to the team,yes they've been a little sporadic(sp) but so has the whole offense.[/quote]

he hasn't dropped "many" in numbers but he has dropped a real high percentage of balls thrown his way when he wasn't hit when recieving, just not that many balls has been thrown his way, so 5 drops is a rediculous amount. And neither Randle El nor Lloyd have greatly impacted any game that we won. In fact Lloyd hasn't greatly impacted any game that we've played. I wouldnt be surprised if neither of those recievers had a game above 50 yards. You tell me any other number two reciever that has that little production, much less one that has a 30mil contract.

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[quote=BeastsoftheNFCeast;255879]he hasn't dropped "many" in numbers but he has dropped a real high percentage of balls thrown his way when he wasn't hit when recieving, just not that many balls has been thrown his way, so 5 drops is a rediculous amount. And neither Randle El nor Lloyd have greatly impacted any game that we won. In fact Lloyd hasn't greatly impacted any game that we've played. I wouldnt be surprised if neither of those recievers had a game above 50 yards. You tell me any other number two reciever that has that little production, much less one that has a 30mil contract.[/quote]

WAaaaaaaaaaa! I just want to drink and make it stop!!!!!!! :drink

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didn't they almost get in a fight in the Indy game, but players pulled them apart?

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[quote=BeastsoftheNFCeast;255879]he hasn't dropped "many" in numbers but he has dropped a real high percentage of balls thrown his way when he wasn't hit when recieving, just not that many balls has been thrown his way, so 5 drops is a rediculous amount. And neither Randle El nor Lloyd have greatly impacted any game that we won. In fact Lloyd hasn't greatly impacted any game that we've played. I wouldnt be surprised if neither of those recievers had a game above 50 yards. You tell me any other number two reciever that has that little production, much less one that has a 30mil contract.[/quote]

Yea, I just officially checked, and against dallas, Lloyd had one catch for 52 yards, but besides that, neither Lloyd nor Randle El has a game of over 50 yards, but guess who does, that's right our wide reciever with the second most yards in a single game is James freaking Thrash with 3 catches for 53 yards. That just pisses me off so much that both Lloyd and Randle El are paid so much and are outpreformed by an old piece of crap. I dont have anything against Thrash I'm just venting my anger at whoever creates the contracts, I wouldnt care if Randle El and Lloyd werent paid so much but they are.

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[quote=BeastsoftheNFCeast;255885]Yea, I just officially checked, and against dallas, Lloyd had one catch for 52 yards, but besides that, neither Lloyd nor Randle El has a game of over 50 yards, but guess who does, that's right our wide reciever with the second most yards in a single game is James freaking Thrash with 3 catches for 53 yards. That just pisses me off so much that both Lloyd and Randle El are paid so much and are outpreformed by an old piece of crap. I dont have anything against Thrash I'm just venting my anger at whoever creates the contracts, I wouldnt care if Randle El and Lloyd werent paid so much but they are.[/quote]

What is your problem, man. The ball has to be thrown to them before they can get yards; you make it seem like they are dropping every pass that comes to them. They are solid additions in my opinion. Plus you've got your stats wrong.. ever hear of a guy named Chris Cooley? Our offensive passing game has been very short-yardage stuff (Pre-Campbell at least) with the exception of Moss and Cooley, ergo it's not completely their fault. Cut them some slack.

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[quote=LMsexyAO;255889]What is your problem, man. The ball has to be thrown to them before they can get yards; you make it seem like they are dropping every pass that comes to them. They are solid additions in my opinion. Plus you've got your stats wrong.. ever hear of a guy named Chris Cooley? Our offensive passing game has been very short-yardage stuff (Pre-Campbell at least) with the exception of Moss and Cooley, ergo it's not completely their fault. Cut them some slack.[/quote]

First off, Chris Cooley doesn't count, I said Wide Recievers. I don't actually think they're bad players, I'm not pissed at them at all, I'm more or less pissed at the coaching staff, the bad contracts they've signed, and then they don't use the players they sign. I was just expressing my extreme frustration. And I honestly think that anyone else who isn't as pissed as I am at this situation isn't a true skins fan.

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[quote=BeastsoftheNFCeast;255893]First off, Chris Cooley doesn't count, I said Wide Recievers. I don't actually think they're bad players, I'm not pissed at them at all, I'm more or less pissed at the coaching staff, the bad contracts they've signed, and then they don't use the players they sign. I was just expressing my extreme frustration. And I honestly think that anyone else who isn't as pissed as I am at this situation isn't a true skins fan.[/quote]
If you're frustrated with their lack of use, then yeah I'm pissed too. But I don't see why Cooley doesn't count, yes he's not a WR, but he does everything they do and more. Isn't a TE just a bigger, tougher, slower WR? Also, don't start playing the, "you're not a skins fan!" card. That doesn't work. Ever.

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[quote=LMsexyAO;255897]If you're frustrated with their lack of use, then yeah I'm pissed too. But I don't see why Cooley doesn't count, yes he's not a WR, but he does everything they do and more. Isn't a TE just a bigger, tougher, slower WR? Also, don't start playing the, "you're not a skins fan!" card. That doesn't work. Ever.[/quote]

TE's are not the same as WR's, they don't catch as well, if any WR dropped as many passes as Cooley, he wouldn't make it on any roster next season. Also WR's spread the field more, have more deep plays designed to them, are better route runners, and any other difference you can think of. If TE's were the same as WR's, then why would any team have WR's if the TE's can block also? Also, the "you're not a skins fan!" card works every time, lol.

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[quote=BeastsoftheNFCeast;255738]Lloyd is a decent blocker, but everything else you said was a bunch of crap, he has dropped many balls (lots of them being important plays), and to my memory had only one big play, and that didnt even result in a touchdown.[/quote]

Exactly how many passes get thrown his way? I gotta disagree here. It's not his fault we don't have anyone to get the ball to him. I can recall one, maybe two he has dropped.

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Lloyd has played mediocre. He has show alot of potential, and I think he's a better WR than ARE.

I am dissappointed with the lack of production from our receiving corps as a whole. I don't, however, think change needs to be made. Let them stick together and gel.

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[quote=dall-assblows;255881]didn't they almost get in a fight in the Indy game, but players pulled them apart?[/quote]

No. ARE was just calmimg him down. Lloyd is a hot head and Gibbs gave him a stern talking to today from what I heard.

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[QUOTE=VTSkins897;255815]yeah i had to drive to the airport at the end of the game. what exactly happened with that?[/QUOTE]



I think Lloyd was a little upset at that last INT that Campbell threw, and frustration caused his emotions to get a little carried away. His lack of production this season has been the result of a combination of things. Early in the season Brunell didn't look his way a lot, but I've also noticed he sometimes has trouble getting into his patterns which disrupts the timing between him and the QB. Maybe the more reps he has with Campbell he can work out some of the problems he's having.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;255926]No. ARE was just calmimg him down. Lloyd is a hot head and Gibbs gave him a stern talking to today from what I heard.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, it could get interesting

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/04/AR2006120401385.html]Lloyd's Status for Sunday Uncertain - washingtonpost.com[/url]

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Good idea hess!

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Lloyd probably won't be around for the 2007 season. He's just not cutting it, and Gibbs isn't going to put up with his antics any longer. Another terrible personnel move by the Skins.

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Unfortunately, we have to make it work with Lloyd. If we cut Lloyd and Arch then we're out $20M in cap space. Sorry, it ain't going to happen. We can put him on the inactive list, but he's going to be on the roster.

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I think people are really blowing up this Lloyd stuff into a lot more than it really is.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;256003]Unfortunately, we have to make it work with Lloyd. If we cut Lloyd and Arch then we're out $20M in cap space. Sorry, it ain't going to happen. We can put him on the inactive list, but he's going to be on the roster.[/quote]

I bet we take our medicine and cut him loose. I know it will kill financially, but his being around ultimately will do more damage.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;256019]I think people are really blowing up this Lloyd stuff into a lot more than it really is.[/QUOTE]

agree. it's nice to see someone with a little fire in my opinion. i think it's been a frustrating season overall. i know it has for me.

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[quote=Mattyk72;256019]I think people are really blowing up this Lloyd stuff into a lot more than it really is.[/quote]

I agree. Its not that i want the player making stupid penalties but the guy got mad b/c of the game and the lack of anything resembling a hurry up offense at the end of the game. It's kind of nice to see someone get mad at our play. Of course, if it b/comes a habit then its a problem.

He was supposed to be on redskins radio last night but i didn't catch it.

FWIW, our punter took his helmet off during the game too.

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If he felt like I did watching that INT then I entirely forgive him. He wasn't just watching one game go down the tubes, he was watching any hopes for the season go down the tubes. Tough to control the feelings, especially after all the tough years in SF, then come here with great expectations, and then this.

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[quote=LMsexyAO;255889]What is your problem, man. The ball has to be thrown to them before they can get yards; you make it seem like they are dropping every pass that comes to them. They are solid additions in my opinion. Plus you've got your stats wrong.. ever hear of a guy named Chris Cooley? Our offensive passing game has been very short-yardage stuff (Pre-Campbell at least) with the exception of Moss and Cooley, ergo it's not completely their fault. Cut them some slack.[/quote]

There was no need to bring in LLoyd. He has a bad attitude and it's starting to show. He is turning into L. Coles. Bad mouthing everybody in the locker room. SF is laughing at us becasue they knew he was a punk. Plus giving up a 3rd and 4th rounder for him? Why not try and find a gem like Colston who is MUCH better and MUCH cheaper? Another bad move by the worst front office in the history of the NFL.

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[quote=Mattyk72;256019]I think people are really blowing up this Lloyd stuff into a lot more than it really is.[/quote]
there is nothing wrong with having some passion on the field. but... there are certain ways that things are done. I'm sure after talking to Gibbs this will be the end of the tantrums. i want Lloyd back. and with the cap in place, its almost guaranteed he will return

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[quote=Mattyk72;256019]I think people are really blowing up this Lloyd stuff into a lot more than it really is.[/quote]

Remember the 49er fans posting here right after we signed him? It wasn't just them, the SF media reported that Loyd didn't get along w/some of his vet teamates & they didn't think he took the game seriously enough.
Publicly, he's been a good guy here, but I've often wondered what his deal is on & off the field. I want to see him do well of course, but minute for minute James Thrash has outplayed him both in blocking & recieving, plus he plays special teams. I sure hope Loyd is about to unleash his potential, but as of yet I don't see him working that hard in his routes, coming back to the qb, etc.

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[quote=freddyg12;256050]Remember the 49er fans posting here right after we signed him? It wasn't just them, the SF media reported that Loyd didn't get along w/some of his vet teamates & they didn't think he took the game seriously enough.
Publicly, he's been a good guy here, but I've often wondered what his deal is on & off the field. I want to see him do well of course, but minute for minute James Thrash has outplayed him both in blocking & recieving, plus he plays special teams. I sure hope Loyd is about to unleash his potential, but as of yet I don't see him working that hard in his routes, coming back to the qb, etc.[/quote]

Thrash has totally outplayed him. Gibbs freaked out ( just like the Duckett trade) becsue the WR's were hurt at the end of last year. Fine. Bring in one guy. But two? Personally I would have just brough in ARE and drafted a guy in the 3rd or 4th round. Those 3rd and 4th round guys are like gold. They play teams, add depth and are kind against the cap.

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[quote=skinsfan69;256061]Thrash has totally outplayed him. Gibbs freaked out ( just like the Duckett trade) becsue the WR's were hurt at the end of last year. Fine. Bring in one guy. But two? Personally I would have just brough in ARE and drafted a guy in the 3rd or 4th round. Those 3rd and 4th round guys are like gold. They play teams, add depth and are kind against the cap.[/quote]

I agree, a 3rd & 4th could give us some needed depth on the O & D lines, maybe an immediate starter.

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[quote=skinsfan69;256046]There was no need to bring in LLoyd. He has a bad attitude and it's starting to show. He is turning into L. Coles. Bad mouthing everybody in the locker room. SF is laughing at us becasue they knew he was a punk. Plus giving up a 3rd and 4th rounder for him? Why not try and find a gem like Colston who is MUCH better and MUCH cheaper? Another bad move by the worst front office in the history of the NFL.[/quote]
Can you please post something which backs up any of those claims you made about Lloyd? His production has not been that great but then look at our O as a whole has not been very good. Lloyd to me seems like a guy who wants to win and it seems like on alot of our TD's in the past 4 to 5 games its Lloyd providing the blocking for who ever has the ball.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;256019]I think people are really blowing up this Lloyd stuff into a lot more than it really is.[/QUOTE]



I think you're right. Some players do not take losing well, and he's one of them. His behavior is a direct result of losing. There are other players on this team who are just as frustrated, they just don't display it the same way he does. I think Joe will get him to where he controls himself better, and with some work, he'll be more productive next season.

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[QUOTE=Twilbert07;255999]Lloyd probably won't be around for the 2007 season. He's just not cutting it, and Gibbs isn't going to put up with his antics any longer. Another terrible personnel move by the Skins.[/QUOTE]

He's reminding me of Gary Clark. I mean the production isn't there yet, but Clark was always "emotional" and probably made Gibbs age 10 years every day

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[quote=firstdown;256071]Can you please post something which backs up any of those claims you made about Lloyd? His production has not been that great but then look at our O as a whole has not been very good. Lloyd to me seems like a guy who wants to win and it seems like on alot of our TD's in the past 4 to 5 games its Lloyd providing the blocking for who ever has the ball.[/quote]

Yes he blocks his ass off and shows emotion. I'm not questioning that. HOWEVER, his history does not merit his salary and 3rd/ 4th round draft picks. He was a bad locker room guy in SF and many of the vets did not like him. Did not like his personality. He rubbed people the wrong way. To me he does not seem like a Gibbs type of player. As I said before bring in one guy. ARE ( although he is over paid too) plays teams and wr. ARE can do more things. So with all that being said, he is just not worth what we gave up to get him. Save the two draft picks. Use one on a backup O-line, D-line or corner and then go get a big young wr to groom. Giving up what we did to get LLoyd kills your depth and that's why we have none. Bad FO move!

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[QUOTE=Longtimefan;256092]I think you're right. Some players do not take losing well, and he's one of them. His behavior is a direct result of losing. There are other players on this team who are just as frustrated, they just don't display it the same way he does. I think Joe will get him to where he controls himself better, and with some work, he'll be more productive next season.[/QUOTE]
Do you really think he so pissed because we're losing? I think it might have to do with his numbers (20 catches for 295yrds with 0 TDs), like is often seems to with WRs. If he had better numbers but the team was still losing I doubt he'd be as pissed off. I bet he threw his helmet mainly because he thought he was open and could have scored but Campbell didn't see him and threw a pick.

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[quote=TAFKAS;256094]He's reminding me of Gary Clark. I mean the production isn't there yet, but Clark was always "emotional" and probably made Gibbs age 10 years every day[/quote]

That's the bottom line. Production. Clark was one tough as nails SOB who produced. You could count on him week in and week out. Sore hamstring or not he was going to be out there. So you put up with his antics as long as he does his thing on Sun. LLoyd? WTF has he done for anyone to tolerate his tantrums?

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I actually side with the FO on this one, we needed the WR depth and the guy who will probably be cut is David "Shallow Impact" Patten. Our passing game is below subpar, the Falcons played one safety deep most of the game and we still could not generate a consistent passing game.

I think our offense underutilizes Lloyd, which makes him seem overpaid. But its been said in this thread before, you can't catch what isn't thrown your way. Sure, he's dropped a few passes, but so does every wideout. The difference is that we give Lloyd a couple of looks early and then never come back to him. If/when our passing game ever opens up and becomes a "pro" passing attack, Lloyd will be stellar. Right now, its tough for anyone outside of Moss to shine because we just don't do anything well. Outside of going three and out, which we shine at.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;256102]That's the bottom line. Production. Clark was one tough as nails SOB who produced. You could count on him week in and week out. Sore hamstring or not he was going to be out there. So you put up with his antics as long as he does his thing on Sun. LLoyd? WTF has he done for anyone to tolerate his tantrums?[/QUOTE]

I expected, and still expect, more on the field from Lloyd. But I'm not necessarily expecting him to reach Clark-like status. GC is arguably a Hall of Famer. I think Clark benefitted greatly from playing two years in the USFL, as did a lot of other players

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[quote=skinsfan69;256095]Yes he blocks his ass off and shows emotion. I'm not questioning that. HOWEVER, his history does not merit his salary and 3rd/ 4th round draft picks. He was a bad locker room guy in SF and many of the vets did not like him. Did not like his personality. He rubbed people the wrong way. To me he does not seem like a Gibbs type of player. As I said before bring in one guy. ARE ( although he is over paid too) plays teams and wr. ARE can do more things. So with all that being said, he is just not worth what we gave up to get him. Save the two draft picks. Use one on a backup O-line, D-line or corner and then go get a big young wr to groom. Giving up what we did to get LLoyd kills your depth and that's why we have none. Bad FO move![/quote]
No you said that he has a bad attitude and its starting to show and that he is bad mouthing everybody in the locker room. Please show us your evidence that this is happening. If you are going to post stuff like facts then show us where you get this information. If thats your opinion with no evidence then let it be known. By starting your statment like "I get the feeling he has a bad attitude".