Most likely to be back with the team next year?
 

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I'm saying neither just because I hope they both go.......but they will probably keep Lloyd.

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I think that they would get rid of both of them if it was possible, but since it isn't, I think it's more likely they will stick with Lloyd. Gibbs sees something in him and will try to put him in a position to be successful. Lloyd at least has all the abilities necessary for success, while it's uncertain if Arch still does at this point in his career.

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[QUOTE]but they will probably keep Lloyd.[/QUOTE]
so do i,but archuletta's salary cup hit is 8 million dollars next year is'nt it?

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Gibbs today in his presser said that both players figure in their plans for next year... but seeing how the season ended for both guys that's a little hard to believe right now.

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Seeing as the thread is "MOST LIKELY" I say Lloyd. But I feel both will be back due to cap numbers.
I just hope Archuletta either finds his niche, or converts back to LB.

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If either one goes to another team, you can just about guarantee next season, both Loyd and AA will be in the pro bowl.

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[quote=jsarno;265878]Seeing as the thread is "MOST LIKELY" I say Lloyd. But I feel both will be back due to cap numbers.
I just hope Archuletta either finds his niche, or converts back to LB.[/quote]

I agree which is why I said both. Besides the stiff salary cap hit, I think a few coaches out there want to show they didn't make 2 horrible FA decisions with these two.

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i say both will be back and both will be huge reasons the skins win the superbowl next season.:food-smil

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I'm thinking both will be back as well barring any future blowups between either player and the coaching staff/front office. A lot has been invested in both and it's hard to just give up on them after one year in which just about everybody had a down year. I hope GW can find some niche, some scheme that fits AA's style rather than continue to force him to play (or not play) in the current setup. I'm not saying GW needs to change everything to suit AA, I'm just saying he should tweak his system just enough so that everybody's strengths get maximized.

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both will be back, unless they get rid of the salary cap...

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I think they keep Arch, can Lloyd.

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i think that all depends on our draft....if we make a blockbuster trade with det. or houston for williams or johnson,,i say he goes but if not he stays ....i really dont think thet can afford to let go of arch. i see them making taylor SS and letting arch do FS becasue taylor can do both unlike arch

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Cap Impact:

[B]Archuleta[/B] is scheduled to count $2.4 million in 2007. If you cut him, you take a $9 million cap hit, or $6.6 million more than what we currently have him on the books for. If you cut him as a Post June 1 cut, you bring his 2007 cap number down to $1.8 million, meaning you've created $600K in space for 2007. Then in 2008, you have to carry $7.1 million of deadcap money, which is $3.3 million more than the $3.8 million he's scheduled to count that year.

Summary: the Post June 1 cut makes it very doable, especially considering the cap should be around $116 million come 2008.

[B]Lloyd's[/B] contract is almost identical. He is scheduled to count $2.4 million in 2007. If you cut him, you take a $9 million cap hit, or $6.6 million more than what we currently have him on the books for. If you cut him as a Post June 1 cut, you bring his 2007 cap number down to $1.8 million, meaning you've created $600K in space for 2007. Then in 2008, you have to carry $7.1 million of deadcap money, which is $2.9 million more than the $4.2 million he's scheduled to count that year.

Summary: Just as for Archuleta, cutting Lloyd as a Post June 1 cut is very doable.

It would really suck to carry $14.2 million in 2008 deadcap for two players. But the team could do it. We did something similar for Trotter and Coles. Each team is allowed to designate two Post June 1 cuts that can be released from the team before June 1. The team would get the Post June 1 cap benefits, while at the same time freeing Lloyd and Archuleta to pursue other opportunities.

I think Archuleta is surely gone. As for Lloyd, I just don't know. I could see him gone, I could see him staying.

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After reading all about how bad the locker room situation is, how players are sick of how the Redskins treat outside free agents, and how much B Lloyd is disliked, I think the team really needs to can Arch and Lloyd just to reestablish a sense of justice and accountability in the locker room.

The team also needs to re-up with Dockery to show that it means business about keeping core guys here. I don't care if we have to pay Dockery more than Eric Steinbach gets, the front office and Gibbs need to show the players that the term "Real Redskin" doesn't mean "we like you, if you accept a discounted contract."

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lloyd is under rated IMO and we cant afford the his with Queermo

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I see Archie as a post June 1 cap cut for reasons that Sneed pointed out. Before the St. Louis game Sports talk 980 had a beat writer from St. Louis (who was actually a Skins fan) and he said Archie has a bad back and since he had injured his back he has not been the same player he was in his first couple of years in the league. He went to say that back injuries like the one he sustained are incrediably tough to come back from - why our FO could not see this before they gave him the largest contract for safety in history I don't understand.

I think the Skins will keep Llyod one more season to prove whether he belongs or not because you just don't give up 2 picks for a one year rental. That way if he does not pan out you can cut him post June 1 for the next year and spread you cap hits accordingly.

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I think they're going to keep Lloyd in the doghouse for a while to teach him a lesson, then give him another shot. Honestly, I don't see how they dump AA this year. Keep him around and make him a special teams and blitzing DB expert. He isn't worth the money obviously, but they're sunk costs at this point. I don't think we need his roster spot [U]that[/U] badly.

Nonetheless, I went with just Lloyd for the poll.

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I voted for both.. If GW is the genius he thinks he is, he has a whole offseason to figure out how to maximize what talents Archuleta has.

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I wonder how he can do that, seriously. Unless AA goes to Darrell Green's School of Coverage it will be hard to put AA in the game just as a blitz specialist. The other team will know every time what he's going to do and audible some counter. I guess at that point then GW pull AA back to counter that in which case AA is now stuck in coverage. He needs to be put in a position on the field that maximizes his tackling but minimizes his need to run up and down the field in coverage. Maybe GW can create a Weak MLB position?

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[quote=Schneed10;265916]After reading all about how bad the locker room situation is, how players are sick of how the Redskins treat outside free agents, and how much B Lloyd is disliked, I think the team really needs to can Arch and Lloyd just to reestablish a sense of justice and accountability in the locker room.

The team also needs to re-up with Dockery to show that it means business about keeping core guys here. I don't care if we have to pay Dockery more than Eric Steinbach gets, the front office and Gibbs need to show the players that the term "Real Redskin" doesn't mean "we like you, if you accept a discounted contract."[/quote]

I'm with that. I mean already Samuels is wanting to restructure to keep Dock. Great message it would send if they got Steinbach and sent Dock packing.

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Only way i would like either of them to go is if they pull a lavar and give back tghe penalty or restructure so we can cut them. Otherwise I don't care if we pull a snyder and tell them we can buy them a plasma TV and they can watch the games at home because i would rather waste a roster spot than 7 million.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;265996]I'm with that. I mean already Samuels is wanting to restructure to keep Dock. Great message it would send if they got Steinbach and sent Dock packing.[/quote]

With the way this year went and the sour taste in alot of players' mouths I think the team will go above and beyond to retain Dockery. #1 because he had a great season and deserves to be re-signed and #2 for the message that it will send the team. We've been burned for far too long by always looking outside the organization. It's time to make a real committment to rewarding our own guys. Re-signing Betts was a good first step, now we just need to keep that going.

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Yup, then Dock, then Cooley, then Taylor. What I do like is the fact that it sounds like Gibbs is committed to listening to players about what works in the offseason. I was reading a quote by Santana and he said it best when he said that they are professionals and it's not like they're going to come there out-of-shape.

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I think that no matter what Gibbs or any other coach says today, the real decisions won't be made until after they've had these "meetings" and watch game tape. That can change everything.

And while Brandon Lloyd didn't endear himself to the coaching staff or some of his team mates, I big part of his problem this year (along with all of the wideouts) was inconsistency at quarterback. Give him another season to see what he and Campbell can develop together.

I do think the offense is in good hands.

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That's what I was thinking. I'm thinking that beyond the bitching, beyond the horrible record, let's see another season with Campbell at QB and a season with either A) no injuries on defense or B) some depth on defense.

Sure, it's a team game, but Wright was good for at least a touchdown a game. That being said, I thought he played great in nickel packages.

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Anyone else notice in that WaPo article today that it said Saunder brought in two new guys on offense, Randle El and Collins? No mention of Lloyd. Does that mean he didn't want Lloyd? Had nothing to do with the trade? I don't know, that struck me as an odd omission.

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Yeah, after reading some of these WP articles lately, I've been inclined to withdraw my previous defense of Cerrato because it seems like he's more in charge of scouting and recruiting than I previously thought.

The way it was painted was that he brings in guys then Gibbs and Co. say whether they want them or not.

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Sounds like Saunders put his stamp of approval on Randle El and in the end even though the article doesn't specifically mention his view on Lloyd, he must have been involved in coming to the consensus that graded him higher than the other available WRs.

[quote]One coach said he liked Lloyd's route-running and speed. And all the coaches marveled at his ability to make highlight-reel catches. The conversation ended with the coaches grading Lloyd ahead of Jurevicius and Bryant. The latter two graded higher than Randle El overall but Saunders wanted Randle El for his versatility and Gibbs liked his punt return skills.
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Again, after all the smoke is clear this offseason, MUCH like last season, one or two key players puts us right back in the race. NO OVERALL this year. Just maybe two key defensive players and we're set.

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I am hoping the off-season is much like the one two years ago where the only major move was to sign Rabach. Maybe go after Clements, but don't blow it out of proportion.

As for AA and Lloyd, I am with the group that says they will both be back lacking a LaVar type payback. Given the cap hit they both represent (even with a post June 1 cut), I think it is simply better to carry them for a year even if they just end up inactive through the whole season - maybe they pan out after two years, maybe not. If they end up just sitting for a year, maybe they will be more willing to buy out after the second year.

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection;266038]Again, after all the smoke is clear this offseason, MUCH like last season, one or two key players puts us right back in the race. NO OVERALL this year. Just maybe two key defensive players and we're set.[/QUOTE]

Isn't that what we say every year? That we're just one or two players away from a championship? That's exactly what gets this team into trouble.

I happen to think we're 3-4 seasons away from a top ten defense again. Apart from Golston and Carter the entire defensive line got old. Washington is the only solid linebacker on the roster, and Sean Taylor is the only solid defensive back -- and he still needs some tooling. That's a whole lot of filling in to do with the other 7 starters. And doesn't even touch the problems with capable depth.

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That's interesting to note. Rabach is the only huge signing and we end up a couple games away from the Super Bowl.

There's a lot to be said for continuity. Not only that, I always thought Rabach was the weak link in our offensive line. He's greatly improved this past year and I was the one thinking we should have drafted center or signed another free agent.

I think it's hard to think about the intangible issues that go on behind the scenes. All we see are stats and whatever we might see on Sunday. The media is usually the only glimpse into the minds of the players, and even that has it's own slant.

I know it sounds a bit Clay Aiken of me, but football players are people too and if no matter how hard you try, your try is going out trying to sign the next big thing, it doesn't exactly belabor you to go out and improve now does it?

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[quote=Beemnseven;266075]Isn't that what we say every year? That we're just one or two players away from a championship? That's exactly what gets this team into trouble.

I happen to think we're 3-4 seasons away from a top ten defense again. Apart from Golston and Carter the entire defensive line got old. Washington is the only solid linebacker on the roster, and Sean Taylor is the only solid defensive back -- and he still needs some tooling. That's a whole lot of filling in to do with the other 7 starters. And doesn't even touch the problems with capable depth.[/quote]

Sure, we say that, but what does the team go out and do? Attempt to put together a "Dream Team" of FA acquisitions and look where it gets us. Just as JoeRedskin mentioned above, we went out and got Rabach and were otherwise quiet in FA and we excelled and made it to the playoffs, even with Brunell behind center.

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I can't see either one going...too much of a cap hit and Joe Gibbs has already said that the 'Skins are going to be aggressive in the FA market (again...:banghead: ) so they will need all the funds they can get for more overpriced bitter apples.

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven;266075]Isn't that what we say every year? That we're just one or two players away from a championship? That's exactly what gets this team into trouble.

I happen to think we're 3-4 seasons away from a top ten defense again. Apart from Golston and Carter the entire defensive line got old. Washington is the only solid linebacker on the roster, and Sean Taylor is the only solid defensive back -- and he still needs some tooling. That's a whole lot of filling in to do with the other 7 starters. And doesn't even touch the problems with capable depth.[/QUOTE]

But I think just the same way that players can get old overnight the reverse can happen as well. All of a sudden next year, Rocky can become a beast, Taylor can be the player we envisioned when he was drafted, we could add a Clements (which should make Rogers better), etc.

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In today's NFL 3-4 seasons is an eternity.

Williams turned this D around pretty quick when he got here, I believe he can get them turned around again.

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See, that's what I'm thinking. The coaches probably thought they knew best last year and decided to just spend and spend and spend. If they go out and overspend this year the Skins will be on the verge of mutiny.

If I'm Joe Gibbs, I'm meeting with all the players during off season or prior to OTAs and I'm telling them how important their individuals efforts are and that their wants and needs are important.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;266050]I am hoping the off-season is much like the one two years ago where the only major move was to sign Rabach. Maybe go after Clements, but don't blow it out of proportion.

As for AA and Lloyd, I am with the group that says they will both be back lacking a LaVar type payback. Given the cap hit they both represent (even with a post June 1 cut), I think it is simply better to carry them for a year even if they just end up inactive through the whole season - maybe they pan out after two years, maybe not. If they end up just sitting for a year, maybe they will be more willing to buy out after the second year.[/quote]

Joe - after the whole Lavar fiasco the NFL changed the cap rules and teams can no longer get salary cap relief when a player returns a portion of their money. So even if AA gave back part of his bonus the team gets no salary cap hit reduction.

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I really don't know what they should do in the offseason, right now things are a mess, especially within the coaching staff. And we had arguably the worst defense in the league (not taking into account our TOP type offense which should have improved our defensive numbers) DEFENSE wins superbowls, and it's quite difficult to go from first to worst with an aged D-line and secondary. I'd say our best chance is suring up what we have aka... building depth on our O-line, and working with Campbell. The defense is a work in process, and we should probably trade down for as many picks as we possibly can in this draft, and hope these late round picks become nice surpises.

What we shouldnt do......
getting rid of Arch is counterproductive
getting rid of Lloyd is more counterproductive
signing a big time defensive free agent is the most counterproductive thing we can do.

We have the WORST defense in the leage, it's tough to have 2007 superbowl aspirations with that.