James Thrash
 

WR James Thrash a Washington Redskin twice over, with few seasons as an Eagle, has not been firmly worked into the offensive scheme so far.
Thrash has come in on a few passing downs in recent games, but he seems to be a far second reciever behind both Moss and Randle El.

My question is how can Thrash be best utilized in the current offense?

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Thrash is a sleeper but he is clutch in some situations. running 4 WR or 5 WR sets could open the offense up so Thrash & Lloyd can become effective.

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We, as Redskins fans, think Thrash is special, but he's not. If Moss is out vs the Lions (seems likely) then we are up shit's creek without a paddle.
This lineup does not scare anyone:
1- Randel El
2- Caldwell
3- McCardell
4- Thrash
5- Lloyd (unsure if he will play this week too)

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Thrash can play the X, Y, and Z positions. The question becomes how effective can he be due to his limitations. He's the type player that can be counted on in a limited role, to expect anything more from him would be unrealistic. His value is on ST's and at best, a #4 receiver. He won't do anything spectacular to elevate the passing game.

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good special teamer, good all round team player. not enough skills to warrant working him in on the offense

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[QUOTE=jsarno;359835]We, as Redskins fans, think Thrash is special, but he's not. If Moss is out vs the Lions (seems likely) then we are up shit's creek without a paddle.
This lineup does not scare anyone:
1- Randel El
2- Caldwell
3- McCardell
4- Thrash
5- Lloyd (unsure if he will play this week too)[/QUOTE]


There's no way Caldwell or McCardell have picked up the system enough to be considered a starter.
Caldwell could come in on 3 WR sets, But I would be shocked if he starts.
Right now, I think Thrash is our number 2 and Lloyd is our number 3.

By the end of the year, lloyd will be phased out completely. Thrash is a very good number 3 WR. He can run all routes and is fast enough to threaten defenses deep. He's nothing special, but he can do everything that's asked of him effectively.

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thrash has always been a very solid posession reciever. he catches balls in traffic and the only thing I can think of is he lacks the speed to be a huge vertical threat...

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Thrash has earned everything he's achieved. He doesn't run his mouth and he tries harder that most people on the field. With Gibbs still as coach you can't give up on people like Thrash or even Brunell. You might need them. And seems we do need Thrash this week... Solid personel.

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can someone please explain to me this boards infatuation with a scrub like James Thrash? i really think guys like him are OK to have on the team, but more from a leadership standpoint. that's really how he makes his contribution

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Please go back and watch the Dallas game from last year. Thrash filled in for Moss in that game. He made some key catches to move the chains in key situations. He still has excellent straight line speed, good hands, and is tough enough to go over the middle. I personally think he could be our primary slot receiver (but having Cooley and El gives us more versatility).

I expect Thrash to have a decent game against the Lions (50-60 yards) and El to be the primary first read.

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I think we also need to consider the development of Jason Campbell -- he's probably not at the top of his game when it comes to finding multiple receivers. Moss, Randle el and Cooley are the targets he's most comfortable with right now.

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Thrash is ok at best.
I can only see him in 3 WR sets...which is rare anyways.

If he starts over Lloyd, I will be upset.
Yes, I think Lloyd may suck, but...cmon, he's got a lot of natural ability.

I understand if they start Thrash, just to send Lloyd a message...but the plan was always...Moss, Lloyd, Randel El...if Lloyd doesn't get in the game today, he never will.

Thrash aint anything special...yes, he does catch well, but does he have starting WR talent....I dont think so.

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[quote=Luxorreb;359892]Thrash has earned everything he's achieved. He doesn't run his mouth and he tries harder that most people on the field. With Gibbs still as coach you can't give up on people like Thrash or even Brunell. You might need them. And seems we do need Thrash this week... Solid personel.[/quote]

I was thinking exactly the same thing...well put.
I do see him playing more today and making an impact.

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anyone want to retract some of their Thrash bashing after his performance today?

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[QUOTE=skinsnut;359919]Thrash is ok at best.
I can only see him in 3 WR sets...which is rare anyways.

If he starts over Lloyd, I will be upset.
Yes, I think Lloyd may suck, but...cmon, he's got a lot of natural ability.

I understand if they start Thrash, just to send Lloyd a message...but the plan was always...Moss, Lloyd, Randel El...if Lloyd doesn't get in the game today, he never will.

Thrash aint anything special...yes, he does catch well, but does he have starting WR talent....I dont think so.[/QUOTE]

[COLOR="Red"]Asking for a retraction?[/COLOR]
Well, I'd like to tone down my "starting WR talent" comment about Thrash, with...He's solid depth....boy I wish he got his feet in bounds....then we'd be saying he's number 3 on the team and a potential starter....but after today....
It seems like he should be #4 and Kennan should be 3....primarily because Keenan made his catches having the playbook for a week, vs years for Thrash....Its pretty close though!

I do love Thrash's hands!

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[QUOTE=skinsfanthru&thru;360491]anyone want to retract some of their Thrash bashing after his performance today?[/QUOTE]

Nope. He played about to his potential...average.
2 catches for 11 yards, a fumble lost (could have been HUGE), and did his only damage during that return.
How exactly did he have a great performance (like you are implying)?

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That punt return was great...the fumble was just a good pop from the lions guy, we got it back, so you still have to give Thrash credit for that touchdown drive.

Thrash is a Gibbs "true Redskin" kind of guy

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I continue to be disturbed by the way people under value Thrash. No one is saying he's a great reciever, but he's consistent w/above avg. hands & is tough. He blocks well & is a good coverage man on teams.

James Thrash is also an all around footbally player, you can't say that about a no. of nfl wr's.

He had a good game today & he'll continue to help the team the rest of the season. He even got deep twice & made the catch out of bounds. If JC puts those a little inside those are big plays.

Why criticize him for what he lacks. Clearly he helps the team.

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[QUOTE=Redskins247;360563]That punt return was great...the fumble was just a good pop from the lions guy, we got it back, so you still have to give Thrash credit for that touchdown drive.

Thrash is a Gibbs "true Redskin" kind of guy[/QUOTE]

We got it back cause Rock hustled all the way. I don't care HOW he fumbled, he fumbled. That was huge, and could have been horrible.

He had an average day and played to his talent.

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[QUOTE=freddyg12;360564]I continue to be disturbed by the way people under value Thrash. No one is saying he's a great reciever, but he's consistent w/above avg. hands & is tough. He blocks well & is a good coverage man on teams.

James Thrash is also an all around footbally player, you can't say that about a no. of nfl wr's.

He had a good game today & he'll continue to help the team the rest of the season. He even got deep twice & made the catch out of bounds. If JC puts those a little inside those are big plays.

Why criticize him for what he lacks. Clearly he helps the team.[/QUOTE]

It's not that...people have exhaulted him to GREAT status, and he's just average. I love his heart and he's dedicated, so that's great, but he's nothing extra special.

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with weapons like moss, randle el, and cooley, and with the recent signing of Keenan McCardell, Thrash is usless.

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[QUOTE=jsarno;359835]We, as Redskins fans, think Thrash is special, but he's not. If Moss is out vs the Lions (seems likely) then we are up shit's creek without a paddle.
This lineup does not scare anyone:
1- Randel El
2- Caldwell
3- McCardell
4- Thrash
5- Lloyd (unsure if he will play this week too)[/QUOTE]


Wrong,Wrong, Wrong -- Thrash is special and that creek ain't shit:smashfrea

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[QUOTE=skinsfan45;360756]Wrong,Wrong, Wrong -- Thrash is special and that creek ain't shit:smashfrea[/QUOTE]


Im more worried about Caldwell than any others....
I think he may be the odd man out

In a weird way, Im still hoping Lloyd gets it and gets a 2nd chance

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[QUOTE=skinsnut;359919]Thrash is ok at best.
I can only see him in 3 WR sets...which is rare anyways.

If he starts over Lloyd, I will be upset.
Yes, I think Lloyd may suck, but...cmon, he's got a lot of natural ability.

I understand if they start Thrash, just to send Lloyd a message...but the plan was always...Moss, Lloyd, Randel El...if Lloyd doesn't get in the game today, he never will.

Thrash aint anything special...yes, he does catch well, but does he have starting WR talent....I dont think so.[/QUOTE]

Just so you know I'm not disagreeing out of perfect hindsight vision, my posts leading up the game today said Thrash was the best replacement. You're wrong about him. Aside from ARE, Thrash is probably the best at getting open (Moss does it w/ his speed but not much beyond that). Thrash also has the best hands on the team (remember all the dropped passes to Moss and Lloyd). Even ARE drops a few. Thrash is almost a guaranteed catch and he is tough as hell after the catch. If anyone should move ahead of him it would be Caldwell.

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[QUOTE=skinsnut;360762]Im more worried about Caldwell than any others....
I think he may be the odd man out

In a weird way, Im still hoping Lloyd gets it and gets a 2nd chance[/QUOTE]

We have soooo much more invested in Lloyd than Caldwell, and it'd be nice to see a return on that investment

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[QUOTE=skinsfan45;360756]Wrong,Wrong, Wrong -- Thrash is special and that creek ain't shit:smashfrea[/QUOTE]

No he's not...but apparently we can win without Moss and ARE.

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[QUOTE=jsarno;360542]Nope. He played about to his potential...average.
2 catches for 11 yards, a fumble lost (could have been HUGE), and did his only damage during that return.
How exactly did he have a great performance (like you are implying)?[/QUOTE]

I never said he had a great performance but he had a damn good game for someone multiple people have claimed shouldn't even have a spot on the roster. plus he was the teams only consistent down the field threat but Campbell was a little errant on his down field passes to Thrash which resulted in Thrash being out of bounds for each catch.

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Odd argument here... Is Thrash great? Well, no question he's not as good as Moss or ARE or McCardell, even at his age. But who cares? He busts his ass every play, he's (so everyone on the skins seems to say) one of the hardest workers on the team, he does whatever they ask, and when, with our 2 best WRs (and our best PR) down, they needed someone to make a play, he did. And that's part of why we won.

He's got less talent than Lloyd and yet he makes plays. Why? Because he works harder. That's why Gibbs (and everyone else in the locker room) loves the guy. A core Redskin.

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[quote=JWsleep;360860]Odd argument here... Is Thrash great? Well, no question he's not as good as Moss or ARE or McCardell, even at his age. But who cares? He busts his ass every play, he's (so everyone on the skins seems to say) one of the hardest workers on the team, he does whatever they ask, and when, with our 2 best WRs (and our best PR) down, they needed someone to make a play, he did. And that's part of why we won.

He's got less talent than Lloyd and yet he makes plays. Why? Because he works harder. That's why Gibbs (and everyone else in the locker room) loves the guy. A core Redskin.[/quote]

Sums it up. Time to close this thread on a good note.

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[quote=DCborn;359826]WR James Thrash a Washington Redskin twice over, with few seasons as an Eagle, has not been firmly worked into the offensive scheme so far.
Thrash has come in on a few passing downs in recent games, but he seems to be a far second reciever behind both Moss and Randle El.

My question is how can Thrash be best utilized in the current offense?[/quote]

Hopefully as a backup to Santana and Randel El. Keenan is probably better overall and obviously Cooley and now Sellers should be factors. But Thrash should pick up the trash going over the middle on some slants, since he's not much a speed threat and the Packers LBs ain't that fast (besides Barnett).

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Yeah, I love Thrash over the middle, he is a tough cookie and he does have a pair of hands.

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[quote=Cowell;360873]Yeah, I love Thrash over the middle, he is a tough cookie and he does have a pair of hands.[/quote]

Good point ...he does have good hands on special teams and over the middle.

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As much as people say this and that about James Thrash he is what he is which is an average athlete with a lot of heart and desire to play football. You can also include Sellers and Cartwright in that category as well. These players are guys that don't usually make the headlines but they come out and work hard in practice every week, perform their role in the system on gameday, and when they are doing their job, the superstars get the glory. Sure, you wouldn't want any one of these guys on your Fantasy Football team but in the real world, your Portises, Mosses, AREs, and Cooleys wouldn't be so great without them.

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did anybody else besides me rise out of their seat when Thrash cut right at the start of his punt return? I swear that dude can still haul ass...soon as he broke for the sideline i thought he was gone..I mean, i love randle el back there, and cartwright is serviceable on kickoffs...but i love the way thrash attacks any opening given to him..

Glad he's on our team..

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here, here on that

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[quote=DCborn;360895]Good point ...[B]he does have[/B] [B]good hands[/B] on special teams and over the middle.[/quote]
how ironic you would say this after a fumble