Dallas Week Matchup: Cooley vs. Witten
 

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Cooley has to be No.1 just by that picture alone. Seriously, there is no other tight end in the NFL I would rather have on our team. He is not the greatest blocker, but he has good hands and does not go down easy. He's the kind of guy, who when he catches the ball, you stand up because it may be a touchdown.

Re: Dallas Week Matchup: Cooley vs. Witten
 

It was so annoying how Madden wouldnt shut up about Jason Witten in the dallas/philly game. He kept saying that Witten is the best TE in the league. Considering that Madden is slowly slipping into sinility, I don't buy anything he says. Cooley was drafted lower than Witten and has more touchdowns in less time.

Re: Dallas Week Matchup: Cooley vs. Witten
 

witten had a billion yards last year (it's true, look it up - exactly 1 billion), and he's a better blocker by far.

i think cooley is a better receiver and better after the catch (breaking tackles, not outrunning guys). I wouldn't trade either, but witten's no slouch.

Re: Dallas Week Matchup: Cooley vs. Witten
 

[quote=That Guy;481147]witten had a billion yards last year (it's true, look it up - exactly 1 billion), and he's a better blocker by far.

i think cooley is a better receiver and better after the catch (breaking tackles, not outrunning guys). I wouldn't trade either, but witten's no slouch.[/quote]

No slouch, but I wouldnt call him the best. A big part of his success has been because of that guy (#81 I think?) on the outside. Also I wouldnt say Witten is a better blocker by far. Cooley blocks when asked to, and has a lot of experience playing all over (H-back, tight end, wideout). Another thing, is Cooley even as a rookie had a natural ability to read defenses and find the holes in zones, which this west coast hybrid is heavily predicated upon.

Re: Dallas Week Matchup: Cooley vs. Witten
 

Sorry guys right now Witten it's the best all around TE he's the best blocker and a superb reciever I like Cooley a lot (well actually hate because he always makes us look foolish) I think right now Cooley it's #5-#6 as TE go.

If you go by all around TE Witten is the best if you just go by receiving TE then A.Gates takes the top spot.

Re: Dallas Week Matchup: Cooley vs. Witten
 

[quote=D'BOYZ;481157]Sorry guys right now Witten it's the best all around TE he's the best blocker and a superb reciever I like Cooley a lot (well actually hate because he always makes us look foolish) I think right now Cooley it's #5-#6 as TE go.

If you go by all around TE Witten is the best if you just go by receiving TE then A.Gates takes the top spot.[/quote]

Thanks for your unbiased opinion. You have Witten as the best and Cooley somewhere around 6. I'm sure if someone asked you, the cowboys would have 13 guys that are the best at thier posistion. obsurd.

Re: Dallas Week Matchup: Cooley vs. Witten
 

Yeah thats a big surprise huh? The rest of the league might as well not play. The cowgirls have the best players at every position. This s**t gets old.

Re: Dallas Week Matchup: Cooley vs. Witten
 

[quote=D'BOYZ;481157]Sorry guys right now Witten it's the best all around TE he's the best blocker and a superb reciever I like Cooley a lot (well actually hate because he always makes us look foolish) I think right now Cooley it's #5-#6 as TE go.

If you go by all around TE Witten is the best if you just go by receiving TE then A.Gates takes the top spot.[/quote]

Witten has a seperated shoulder from Week 2. He hasn't scored yet this year.

In his career of games against the Skins:

2007 - 2/24yds/0 TD , 8/67/0
2006 - 5/50/0 , 4/45/0
2005 - 4/41/1, 4/35/0
2004 - 6/50/0, 3/22/1
2003 - 0/0/0, 0/0/0

[U]TOTAL - [B]10 games[/B], 36 catches/334 yds (33.4 avg), [B]2 TDs[/B][/U]
Career total : [B] 82 games, 21 TDs[/B]


[U]Cooley vs. Dallas: [B]8 games[/B], 30 catches/357 yds (44.6 avg), [COLOR=DarkRed][B]5 TDs[/B][/COLOR][/U]
Career total : [B]67 games, [COLOR=DarkRed]27 TDs

Cooley is much more versatile too.


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Re: Dallas Week Matchup: Cooley vs. Witten
 

Cooley dates cheerleaders. Witten dates Romo.

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I really have to agree here. NO ONE can make the argument that Witten is the best TE in the game.

Cooley, Witten, Gates and a younger Gonzo all should be about tied for number one.

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[quote=DirtyLandry;481134]It was so annoying how Madden wouldnt shut up about Jason Witten in the dallas/philly game. He kept saying that Witten is the best TE in the league. Considering that Madden is slowly slipping into sinility, I don't buy anything he says. Cooley was drafted lower than Witten and has more touchdowns in less time.[/quote]

Witten is probably the best TE in the league right now and 'drafted lower' is kind of splitting hairs (Witten 3rd/69 overall in 2003, Cooley 3rd/81 overall in 2004). The thing that gets me about Witten is that he seems like a bit of a dullard (I'm a f-f-football player). Obviously impressionistic (I'm sure the Dallas fans will be quick to respond), but he certainly does not have the personality of Cooley (who does some dumb things but you can tell there is some intelligence there, and he is funny most of the time). Anyway, I wouldn't trade Cooley for Witten obviously and actually the numbers are pretty close (and, in fairness, Witten was putting up numbers before T.O. got there ... if anything that first year T.O. stole some TDs from him). I don't think we need to go off and so Cooley is soooo much better than Witten (or vice versa), neither is a valid argument.

Re: Dallas Week Matchup: Cooley vs. Witten
 

We don't even use Cooley that well.

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I think Cooley's production will only increase as the season goes on. After a slow start in week one he's caught 12 passes in the last two games. I'm predicting an 80 catch season for him.

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All I want to know is how in the heck does Cooley get his facemask on over that honker of a schnaz he has? That think has its own zip code.

That is why he is so good in inclement weather, he justs puts his hands under his nose to keep them dry in the rain.

Do they put his helmet on first and then attach the facemask or something?

Re: Dallas Week Matchup: Cooley vs. Witten
 

Cooley is faster and a bit more of a receiving threat. But he is not a [B]great[/B] run blocker.
All the media and today's football fans just care about catches and yards.
Regardless of what team they play for, I would rather have Witten as my #1a TE and Cooley as my #1b TE/H-back.
Witten is a much better blocker, but he is still a very good receiver.
Cooley is a slightly better receiver.
Cooley is not a great run blocker.
So I give a slight overall advantage to Witten.
Run blocking for your #1 TE is so important and does not get the credit that it is due. It adds so much to your running game when your TE will knock the snot out of a LB or DE.
We do not have a great run blocking TE and might need to address that in the upcoming years.

Re: Dallas Week Matchup: Cooley vs. Witten
 

[quote=sandtrapjack;481257]All I want to know is how in the heck does Cooley get his facemask on over that honker of a schnaz he has? That think has its own zip code.

That is why he is so good in inclement weather, he justs puts his hands under his nose to keep them dry in the rain.

Do they put his helmet on first and then attach the facemask or something?[/quote]

Why is this even necessary?

Re: Dallas Week Matchup: Cooley vs. Witten
 

[quote=Mattyk72;481262]Why is this even necessary?[/quote]


Not necessary but funny as hell though.

Re: Dallas Week Matchup: Cooley vs. Witten
 

Thanks for the intelligent input. Very [I]witty[/I] sandtrap.

Re: Dallas Week Matchup: Cooley vs. Witten
 

[quote=Buster;481242]Witten has a seperated shoulder from Week 2. He hasn't scored yet this year.

In his career of games against the Skins:

2007 - 2/24yds/0 TD , 8/67/0
2006 - 5/50/0 , 4/45/0
2005 - 4/41/1, 4/35/0
2004 - 6/50/0, 3/22/1
2003 - 0/0/0, 0/0/0

[U]TOTAL - [B]10 games[/B], 36 catches/334 yds (33.4 avg), [B]2 TDs[/B][/U]
Career total : [B]82 games, 21 TDs[/B]


[U]Cooley vs. Dallas: [B]8 games[/B], 30 catches/357 yds (44.6 avg), [COLOR=darkred][B]5 TDs[/B][/COLOR][/U]
Career total : [B]67 games, [COLOR=darkred]27 TDs[/COLOR][/B]

[B][COLOR=darkred]Cooley is much more versatile too. [/COLOR][/B]


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Hey don't use actual number to prove your point.

Re: Dallas Week Matchup: Cooley vs. Witten
 

Cooley and Witten are both great TEs and probably a toss up on who is better overall which makes the homer factor come in and you pick the guy on your team. Gates is probably the best offensive threat of all of them.

Re: Dallas Week Matchup: Cooley vs. Witten
 

[quote=Buster;481242]Witten has a seperated shoulder from Week 2. He hasn't scored yet this year.

In his career of games against the Skins:

2007 - 2/24yds/0 TD , 8/67/0
2006 - 5/50/0 , 4/45/0
2005 - 4/41/1, 4/35/0
2004 - 6/50/0, 3/22/1
2003 - 0/0/0, 0/0/0

[U]TOTAL - [B]10 games[/B], 36 catches/334 yds (33.4 avg), [B]2 TDs[/B][/U]
Career total : [B]82 games, 21 TDs[/B]


[U]Cooley vs. Dallas: [B]8 games[/B], 30 catches/357 yds (44.6 avg), [COLOR=darkred][B]5 TDs[/B][/COLOR][/U]
Career total : [B]67 games, [COLOR=darkred]27 TDs[/COLOR][/B]

[B][COLOR=darkred]Cooley is much more versatile too. [/COLOR][/B]
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You didn't finish. You stated that Witten had a seperated shoulder in Week 2. But what you withheld was that he only missed 2 plays and went right back on the field and went on to catch 7 passes for 110 yards WITH a seperated shoulder.

Not taking anything away from Cooley, he is one of the top-flight TE's in the NFL and I respect him tremendously.

That being said, the TD's only server a piece of the puzzle here. No, Witten has not scored a TD in 2008. BUT.....the Dallas Cowboys lead the NFL in 3rd down conversions at 60%, that is in large part to Wittens recieving skills, he is a "chain mover".

Witten is currently the #1 ranked TE in the NFL in receptions, yards, yards per game, receptions over 20 yards, receptions over 40 yards and first downs attained.

Then look at how well the Cowboys rushing attack has been, ranked #6 in the league. Witten is a great blocker and if you take another look at that 60 yard TD run by Felix Jones in the Green Bay game, you will see that the key trap block on the perimeter was made by Witten.

Don't put all the TE's eggs in one basket (TD's) there is more there to look at.

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[quote=Jake2008;481293]Cooley and Witten are both great TEs and probably a toss up on who is better overall which makes the homer factor come in and you pick the guy on your team. [B]Gates is probably the best offensive threat of all of them[/B].[/quote]

I would agree

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[quote=Jake2008;481293]Cooley and Witten are both great TEs and probably a toss up on who is better overall which makes the homer factor come in and you pick the guy on your team.[/quote]
So take out the "homer factor" and take that query to fans of any of the other 30 teams in the NFL, and ask them if they had a choice, which TE would they rather have, Witten or Cooley. I am confident an overwhelming majority would pick Witten.

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In one of the best Skins/Boyz games you'll ever see back in 2006, Jason Witten made a crucial mistake.

On the blocked Vandjagt (sp?) kick to win the game, Troy Vincent explained after the game that while Jason Witten was busy talking s***, the ball was hiked, and he sped past the ProBowl TE and got a hand on the kick, ST picked it up, and one facemask later, the skins went on to victory in the "Hand of God" game.

So every time I hear Jason Wittens name i think of that game.

Re: Dallas Week Matchup: Cooley vs. Witten
 

[quote=sandtrapjack;481297]You didn't finish. You stated that Witten had a seperated shoulder in Week 2. But what you withheld was that he only missed 2 plays and went right back on the field and went on to catch 7 passes for 110 yards WITH a seperated shoulder.

Not taking anything away from Cooley, he is one of the top-flight TE's in the NFL and I respect him tremendously.

That being said, the TD's only server a piece of the puzzle here. No, Witten has not scored a TD in 2008. BUT.....the Dallas Cowboys lead the NFL in 3rd down conversions at 60%, that is in large part to Wittens recieving skills, he is a "chain mover".

Witten is currently the #1 ranked TE in the NFL in receptions, yards, yards per game, receptions over 20 yards, receptions over 40 yards and first downs attained.

Then look at how well the Cowboys rushing attack has been, ranked #6 in the league. Witten is a great blocker and if you take another look at that 60 yard TD run by Felix Jones in the Green Bay game, you will see that the key trap block on the perimeter was made by Witten.

Don't put all the TE's eggs in one basket (TD's) there is more there to look at.[/quote]

Well 36 receivers have more receptions then TO, 17 have more yards, 15 have more 40+ yard receptions so at best TO is the 15th best receiver in the game according to your 'stats' ranking.

Witten has the big advantage of playing on a team with a great OL. That is huge and allows him to get freed up and open and not have to worry about trying to block defensive lineman. He also has been in pretty much the same offensive system which Cooley has not had that luxury.

IMO you can't say one is better then the other. I am sure if you swapped teams their stats would change accordingly. And I would still consider Gates to be close if not better then both.

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[quote=sandtrapjack;481303]So take out the "homer factor" and take that query to fans of any of the other 30 teams in the NFL, and ask them if they had a choice, which TE would they rather have, Witten or Cooley. I am confident an overwhelming majority would pick Witten.[/quote]

I agree with you here, but I would argue the reason is because most fans are alot more familiar with Witten because he plays for the Cowboys who get alot more TV coverage nationwide. Does that make Witten better?

If Cooley was a Cowboy and Witten a Skin, it would be interesting to see what your opinion would be then. Like I have said before, I think both are good and any team would like to have either and would consider them better because they are on their team.

Re: Dallas Week Matchup: Cooley vs. Witten
 

[quote=Jake2008;481312]Well 36 receivers have more receptions then TO, 17 have more yards, 15 have more 40+ yard receptions so at best TO is the 15th best receiver in the game according to your 'stats' ranking.

Witten has the big advantage of playing on a team with a great OL. That is huge and allows him to get freed up and open and not have to worry about trying to block defensive lineman. He also has been in pretty much the same offensive system which Cooley has not had that luxury.

IMO you can't say one is better then the other. I am sure if you swapped teams their stats would change accordingly. And I would still consider Gates to be close if not better then both.[/quote]
Well I attempted to point out in a earlier post about not reading too much into the TD's, I did kind of bury myself in the stats thing, so you got me there.

But like I said earlier, look at the WHOLE picture. Why do you think Witten has all those receptions? Why do you think Miles Austin (a #3 WR) had over 100 yards and a TD last week? Because of the coverages that Owens demands. It takes away 2 and sometimes 3 players in coverage on Owens. And that coverage creates opportunities for others to excel. I have said it a thousand times....Owens does not have to have 100 yards and 2 TD's to be a factor.

But even Greg Blache has considerable respect for Witten. This is from the Washington Post:

[quote=Washington Post]
There are matchup problems all over the place. Blache agreed that the Redskins don't have a defender who can just concentrate on tight end [URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/Jason+Witten?tid=informline"][COLOR=#0000ff]Jason Witten[/COLOR][/URL] all day. They don't have a single defensive back or linebacker who can "lock up" on him. The team has to mix principles and schemes, and [URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/Rocky+McIntosh?tid=informline"][COLOR=#0000ff]Rocky McIntosh[/COLOR][/URL] and [URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/Chris+Horton?tid=informline"][COLOR=#0000ff]Chris Horton[/COLOR][/URL] have to combine their efforts.
Likewise, in the running game, it's going to take numbers to stop the tandem of [URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/Marion+Barber?tid=informline"][COLOR=#0000ff]Marion Barber[/COLOR][/URL] and [URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/Felix+Jones?tid=informline"][COLOR=#0000ff]Felix Jones[/COLOR][/URL]. One will run defenders over like few others in the game ("If he wasn't a Cowboy, I'd really like him," Blache said of Barber), and the other will just burn right past ("Jones has blazing speed," Blache said). [/quote]

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/25/AR2008092504013.html]washingtonpost.com[/url]

Re: Dallas Week Matchup: Cooley vs. Witten
 

They're both very good TE's. Let's just leave it at that. The intent of this thread was simply to show that when the Skins and Cowboys play each other, Cooley has outperformed Witten.

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[quote=Mattyk72;481338]They're both very good TE's. Let's just leave it at that. The intent of this thread was simply to show that when the Skins and Cowboys play each other, Cooley has outperformed Witten.[/quote]
Agreed

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[quote=saden1;481254]We don't even use Cooley that well.[/quote]

as much as i am hating the thought but id put witten over cooley only because of this comment alone.

if we used cooley more he'd edge witten out but he goes halfs and sometimes games with only one or two balls thrown his way. it looked like zorn made a concentrated effort to target cooley in the second half of the cards game and it paid dividends as cooley made some clutch 1st down catches. hopefully we will see more of this.

both are great at finding the open space underneath in zone coverage or giving matchup problems 1 on 1. havent really studied wittens blocking but cooley has left something to be desired in that department this year.

lol after reading the title i had the imagine of witten and cooley going both ways and D'ing up on each other. now that would be awesome, if only the coaches could agree to something like that.

go skins!!

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[quote=redsk1;481304]In one of the best Skins/Boyz games you'll ever see back in 2006, Jason Witten made a crucial mistake.

On the blocked Vandjagt (sp?) kick to win the game, Troy Vincent explained after the game that while Jason Witten was busy talking s***, the ball was hiked, and he sped past the ProBowl TE and got a hand on the kick, ST picked it up, and one facemask later, the skins went on to victory in the "Hand of God" game.

So every time I hear Jason Wittens name i think of that game.[/quote]

hot damn how did i not hear about this till right now??? man that was a sweet ending to a game!!

go skins!

Re: Dallas Week Matchup: Cooley vs. Witten
 

[quote=sandtrapjack;481330]Well I attempted to point out in a earlier post about not reading too much into the TD's, I did kind of bury myself in the stats thing, so you got me there.

But like I said earlier, look at the WHOLE picture. Why do you think Witten has all those receptions? Why do you think Miles Austin (a #3 WR) had over 100 yards and a TD last week? Because of the coverages that Owens demands. It takes away 2 and sometimes 3 players in coverage on Owens. And that coverage creates opportunities for others to excel. I have said it a thousand times....Owens does not have to have 100 yards and 2 TD's to be a factor.

But even Greg Blache has considerable respect for Witten. This is from the Washington Post:



[URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/25/AR2008092504013.html"]washingtonpost.com[/URL][/quote]
Are you now saying that TO makes Witten look even better because he demands 2 or 3 guys to cover him leaving Witten more holes to catch in. Your making Cooley look better with each of your post.

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[quote=firstdown;481373]Are you now saying that TO makes Witten look even better because he demands 2 or 3 guys to cover him leaving Witten more holes to catch in. Your making Cooley look better with each of your post.[/quote]
Read whatever you want into it. I'll just take the production.

Re: Dallas Week Matchup: Cooley vs. Witten
 

[quote=redsk1;481304]In one of the best Skins/Boyz games you'll ever see back in 2006, Jason Witten made a crucial mistake.

On the blocked Vandjagt (sp?) kick to win the game, Troy Vincent explained after the game that while Jason Witten was busy talking s***, the ball was hiked, and he sped past the ProBowl TE and got a hand on the kick, ST picked it up, and one facemask later, the skins went on to victory in the "Hand of God" game.

So every time I hear Jason Wittens name i think of that game.[/quote]

I had forgotten about that. Well played.

Re: Dallas Week Matchup: Cooley vs. Witten
 

The TE match up is one of the many key match ups. If JW is probable due to the shoulder. I hope when LL finishes smearing that retard all over that faggy star he will be a none factor or unable to continue, contain/CRUSH homo, springs shutdown BO and we will be in good shape for the underdog Victory. And of course sound smart decisions from JC and solid pass pro.

WEEK FOUR INJURY HIGHLIGHTS
Posted by Mike Florio on September 26, 2008, 8:41 p.m.

The full, final Week Four injury report is out. The highlights are below.

Bengals quarterback Carson Palmer (right elbow) and Jets quarterback Brett Favre (ankle) are both questionable, which gives them a 50-50 chance of playing.

Also questionable is Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb (chest), and Eagles running back Brian Westbrook (ankle).

Vikings running backs Adrian Peterson (hamstring) and Chester Taylor (foot) are questionable.

Chargers running back LaDainian Tomlinson (toe) is probable.

Raiders running back Darren McFadden (toe) is questionable.

[B]Cowboys tight end Jason Witten (shoulder) is probable.[/B]

Bears return specialist Devin Hester (ribs) is questionable.

Ravens running back Willis McGahee (eye) is probable.

Steelers safety Troy Polamalu (quad) is probable.

Jets defensive tackle Kris Jenkins is questionable with a back injury.

Falcons tackle Sam Baker is questionable with an “illness,” which is a fairly innocuous way of referring to a case of bumpus-in-the-nogginus.

Browns receiver Braylon Edwards is probable with a shoulder injury.

Broncos receiver Darrell Jackson (calf) is out.

Packers receiver James Jones (knee) and safety Atari Bigby (hamstring) are doubtful.

Jaguars receiver Jerry Porter (hamstring) is probable, which means there’s a virtual certainty he’ll make his first game appearance for the team. Running backs Maurice Jones-Drew (ankle) and Fred Taylor (hamstring) also are probable.