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my question might have already been addressed, but if it has been I can't find it. before asking let me state this:

I am a 30+year skins fan and a big zorn fan. I think he is doing a good job. He is presently 4th on the list for wins by a rookie head coach in redskin franchise history, the #1 spot is held by George Allen with 9, that certainly seems to be in reach. Also it should be noted that no rookie redskin head coach has ever swept the cowboys, and that continues.

that being said, Coach Zorn looked most of the game like he was gonna Hurl. and then in the postgame locker room comments he looked half dead. Any talk of him being sick, fighting a bug of some sort, or is the wear and tear of the season starting to catch up with him?

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I have no idea what you're talking about.

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I think that Zorn's discouraged and frustrated by the lack of execution on offense. I don't believe that there's anything going on with him from a physical standpoint.

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he looked like he was ready to blow chunks the whole game. everyone I was watching the game with commented on that fact

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[quote=SouperMeister;501779]I think that Zorn's discouraged and frustrated by the lack of execution on offense. I don't believe that there's anything going on with him from a physical standpoint.[/quote]

I hope that is what it is. I have read a lot on the schedule that nfl head coaches keep during the season and I hope it is not getting to him. this is an important strech (as if the rest of the season is not :)

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[quote=DFI;501780][B]he looked like he was ready to blow chunks the whole game.[/B] everyone I was watching the game with commented on that fact[/quote]

I think just about everyone who cares about the Redskins looked like they were ready to blow chunks the whole game. I know I did.

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^ Spot on.

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[quote=DFI;501780]he looked like he was ready to blow chunks the whole game. everyone I was watching the game with commented on that fact[/quote]

He looked fine to me, before, during, and after the game.

I honestly have no clue what you're talking about.

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well people do get sick this time of year and the flu doesnt care if your a head coach or a bag boy at safeway.

who knows really, i didnt notice anything to suggest he was sick thoo . . not that a healthy zorn would have changed anything, we got flat out coached last night on both sides of the ball. the boys made it a point to attack the outside in the run game to exploit j taylor and carter and brought the house on D exploiting our weak blitz pick up.

we in turn had no discernable game plan or attack. the boys used their bye week and really seemed to have a game plan they developed around our weaknesses and their limitations (romo with cast on hand doesnt allow them to toss it long). second week in a row our coaches got out coached and failed to make adjustments.

go skins!!

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The play-calling was deplorable. Zorn went away from the running game in the second half of the game and it cost this team a win. How many hitch passes will Campbell throw to Moss and not gain a first down? Mike Sellers should have been used more in this game. Zorn seems to be calling plays that were so conservative and predictable that it made Dallas's defense look like the Steelers. One draw here, one deep pass there and now were 6-4. Malcolm Kelly and Fred Davis need to be injected into this offense. I don't care how far Zorn says Kelly is behind. Put him in and allow him to get the feel for the game. If the play-calling doesn't change, we can kiss the playoffs good bye.

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My beef is the Redskins played with very little intensity. They played like the old Redskins, not the team from the second game up until the Steelers debacle. The defense has always looked good except for dropped balls that should have been interceptions. But we still have trouble getting the ball into the end zone (obviously!).

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this is zorn's first time ever calling the plays and being a head coach.i'm pretty sure there is a large learning curve in there somewhere.this was never gonna work overnight.we'll just have to sit back and patient.skins are a good team,but nowhere close to a great team.that's just not gonna cut it in the NFL.look at it this way,he's started off better than gibbs did,and 12 years later he'd won superbowls with 3 diff qbs.
like tom petty said-"the waiting is the hardest part."

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His demeanor was appropriate, given how his offense performed. So, no, I have no reason to think he was ill. Watch the postgame presser. He certainly does not seem ill there, beyond his reasonable disgust at the way his offense just played.

I don't think the play-calling was so bad, Sunra. The short throws occurred as much because of pass pro breakdowns as anything else. You can't throw long if you don't have time. He might have run more, but without time to throw, Dallas was stacking the box. And I think they were trying to open the passing game up a bit against Dallas's secondary. It didn't work, no doubt. But it's not clear that it was strictly play calling. One play where I was dissapointed was throwing on 3rd and short that led to the INT. Otherwise, I think the plays were ok, but we couldn't block long enough to allow them to develop.

Hopefully, Zorn will get it on track. Seattle is a must win, no doubt.

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[quote=GMScud;501806]I think just about everyone who cares about the Redskins looked like they were ready to blow chunks the whole game. I know I did.[/quote]

likewise here as well like i mentioned earlier i flew hot last night...

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[I][QUOTE] I think just about everyone who cares about the Redskins looked like they were ready to blow chunks the whole game. I know I did. [/QUOTE] [/I]

after the game,i actually did.i don't know if it was from the miagraine i got watching the game,or something else!

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[quote=JLee9718;501840]My beef is the Redskins played with very little intensity. They played like the old Redskins, not the team from the second game up until the Steelers debacle. [/quote]

i totally agree with this statement. i didnt see any intensity, no hunger or energy. no one was really fired up from what i saw

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Maybe his cat got sick and died.

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[quote=Big C;501941]i totally agree with this statement. i didnt see any intensity, no hunger or energy. no one was really fired up from what i saw[/quote]

This is something that is so subjective. Watching the game I was impressed with the way guys were flying around on D. There was some good hittin' going on out there.

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^^^ yeah in the 1st quarter i noticed our D players were really flying in there to get a lil extra piece of a cowboy ball carrier as he was being brought down. One guy would have the tackle and another 2 would fly in there to give a shoulder as the cowboy was going down.

i also noticed the refs giving portis a hand to help him get up off the ground ALOT. 3 times in one drive i think. nice guys.

go skins!!

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I thought our defense played fine, When you can hold an offense with that much scoring potential to 14 points it comes down to our offense making plays and scoring. Zorn's play calling has been going down hill for the past few games. Pretty much ever since the Philly game. I don't know what his deal is, but when I can sit on my couch at home and know what the play is going to be, especially on third and 4th down, I'm pretty sure that the other team is going to figure it out too.

Another thing that I don't understand is why it seems like Jason has to wait so damn long for a play to be called in. It seems like every third down he is waiving his arms up in the air waiting for a freaking play to be called in. Why hasn't the media asked Zorn about any of this? Or anything about his play calling?

Maybe its just me that notices this shit, but if I was seemingly that confused on the sideline I would probably look a little sick too.

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[quote=over the mountain;502081]^^^ yeah in the 1st quarter i noticed our D players were really flying in there to get a lil extra piece of a cowboy ball carrier as he was being brought down. One guy would have the tackle and another 2 would fly in there to give a shoulder as the cowboy was going down.

i also noticed the refs giving portis a hand to help him get up off the ground ALOT. 3 times in one drive i think. nice guys.

go skins!![/quote]

I think that one ref loved Portis, he was constantly helping him up, it was pretty funny

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Zorn was a great addition! I think he has a very bright future here in DC!

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Im a little worried about the play calling. I love Moss and I think he is capable of losing any d-back in the NFL, but to throw the w.r. screen as much as we did on sunday scares me. That play works once maybe twice a game and it has alot to do with luck when it does work. Either Zorn doesnt have faith in Moss or Campbell to go down field. I also think Zorn is being a little too protective of J.C. Let him fling that ball around. Dont get me wrong I love what Zorn is doing with his technique. I just think we have to go down field a little bit more.

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[quote=Mattyk72;502186]I think that one ref loved Portis, he was constantly helping him up, it was pretty funny[/quote]The ref who was helping Portis was the umpire, Jim Quirk.

If that name sounds familiar, it's because it should. He was the guy who hogtied Nick Barnett last year, earning a one game suspension.

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I thought he called a conservative game. One long pass down the field!

However, I did have a revelation later in the game:

Why have Gibbs, Saunders and Zorn all had such limited and similiar playcalling? 1) Jason Campbell is ready yet? 2) Our WR aren't ready?

3) OL is getting beat?

Either Zorn has a limited imagination or he's doing the plays that the team can handle [based on practices].

BL - Team's know that Clinton Portis is the center of our offense. Stop him and we've got nothing left.

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I feel like I've said this a lot now, but the fact that the ball is not thrown long is often not because Zorn didn't call a long pass. If there's no time to throw, you can't hit the long stuff. Notice on the one shot we did take. What happened? Miracle of miracles, the pass pro held.

Once we're having pass pro troubles, throwing the screen is not a bad move: otherwise, one of your main playmakers never gets the ball at all.

I think he should have run Portis more in retrospect--I'm not sure he was really shut down in that game--but I can see wanting to throw against the cowroids secondary.

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I've been impressed with Zorn but wonder if he will be calling the plays next year. If the offense scoring production keeps going down continually he'll have to look himself in the mirror and bring in a new OC in 2009.

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[quote=JWsleep;502322]I feel like I've said this a lot now, but the fact that the ball is not thrown long is often not because Zorn didn't call a long pass. If there's no time to throw, you can't hit the long stuff. Notice on the one shot we did take. What happened? Miracle of miracles, the pass pro held.

Once we're having pass pro troubles, throwing the screen is not a bad move: otherwise, one of your main playmakers never gets the ball at all.

I think he should have run Portis more in retrospect--I'm not sure he was really shut down in that game--but I can see wanting to throw against the cowroids secondary.[/quote]



I see what your saying but the run sets up the pass. But if they are not goin down field and the other team knows we are run heavy then the db's are up on the w.r. making the screen impossible. Its obvious J.C. doesnt have to much faith in the other receivers. Maybe I should call the plays next year.

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[quote=DFI;501780]he looked like he was ready to blow chunks the whole game. everyone I was watching the game with commented on that fact[/quote]

My biggest fear is seeing Jim Zorn suffering a heart attack. I have seen few coaches (at least head coaches) that are as intense as Zorn when it comes to game day.

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[quote=DFI;501775]
...that being said, Coach Zorn looked most of the game like he was gonna Hurl. and then in the postgame locker room comments he looked half dead. Any talk of him being sick, fighting a bug of some sort, or is the wear and tear of the season starting to catch up with him?[/quote]

I'm sure he's sick of Dan Snyder and Vinnie Ceratto by now. What decent human being wouldn't be?

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[quote=70Chip;502520]I'm sure he's sick of Dan Snyder and Vinnie Ceratto by now. What decent human being wouldn't be?[/quote]

They're all Republicans, why don't you love them?

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[quote=SmootSmack;502526]They're all Republicans, why don't you love them?[/quote]

SS, there are Republicans and then there are Republicans. Dan Snyder is the type of Republican who, well never mind about that right now.

My beef with those two is that I believe they create an environment in that building that is not conducive of consistency. I can't put my finger on it exactly, but our teams just underperform, IMO. As oppossed to say the Giants who overperform decade after decade. Holy shit, how can they be that good. Before last season the skinny was that their O-line would be a disaster and now they're just crushing everybody. That flows down from ownership to management to coach. You notice how in that organization the coach stays and the players hit the road? That's the sort of discipline we need. I think Snyder has gotten better, but until he turns the whole thing over to a football guy and finds another hobby, I'm afraid the Redskins will reflect his uneven temperament. Who else can you blame?

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Maybe he's finding it difficult to demote Campbell. He doesn't have a good reason to do it, but maybe his gut feel is that Campbell will always take too long in the passing game and his protection just isn't that good.

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[quote=JLee9718;503802]Maybe he's finding it difficult to demote Campbell. He doesn't have a good reason to do it, but maybe his gut feel is that Campbell will always take too long in the passing game and his protection just isn't that good.[/quote]

Where did this come from? Did he have a beer with you last night and reveal his inner most thoughts.
He benched Hasselback way back when, and he lit into Portis earlier in the season. I am sure if he felt strong enough about it he would bench Campbell also.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;502369]My biggest fear is seeing Jim Zorn suffering a heart attack. I have seen few coaches (at least head coaches) that are as intense as Zorn when it comes to game day.[/quote]

Did you ever see Ditka on the sidelines?

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[quote=JLee9718;503802]Maybe he's finding it difficult to demote Campbell. He doesn't have a good reason to do it, but maybe his gut feel is that Campbell will always take too long in the passing game and his protection just isn't that good.[/quote]

Huh?

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[quote=Mattyk72;503837]Huh?[/quote]

Ditto. Demote Campbell for who? For what? Demote the offensive line, ok. Demote Campbell? How about following that up with some analysis on why.

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[quote=Mattyk72;503837]Huh?[/quote]

:laughing2 That has got to be the best response to that post.

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The only thing I don't like about Zorn is he won't change QB's. We're not scoring so why not change the one position that can make a difference. Sure the O-line isn't blocking well enough, but throw the ball quicker. If Jansen's man is pushing him back into Campbell, I'm sure Jason is aware of it and needs to make some kind of adjustment.

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?????? JLee, I don't understand what you are thinking .
Look up Zorn's history first, then come back and give your thoughts some backing cuz I am pretty sure I could find several articles about JZ that say just the opposite.