Hypothetical Favre Speculative
 

Last season I was raked over the coals here suggesting that Favre would play in 2008. I'm gonna guess that he's a shoe in in Minnesota if he wants to play there in 2009. Tarvarius looked absolutely terrible yesterday. There is little chance he'll be back...

I'm going on a limb that Favre plays in Minnesota for his last season.

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[quote=Luxorreb;517881]Last season I was raked over the coals here suggesting that Favre would play in 2008. I'm gonna guess that he's a shoe in in Minnesota if he wants to play there in 2009. Tarvarius looked absolutely terrible yesterday. There is little chance he'll be back...

I'm going on a limb that Favre plays in Minnesota for his last season.[/quote]

Isn't he still under contract with the Jets? I could be wrong but I thought he was.

Are you saying they'll trade him or cut him?

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But wouldn't New York have to release him since he's still under contract? That seems extremely unlikely given that they had to give up picks to get him. Moreover, trading him is out since the terms of the original trade with Green Bay explicitly forbid a second trade to Minnesota.

I think that's where it makes the most sense for him to go and is where he wanted to go all along, but I just don't see how it's possible.

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He's either back in NY or he's done... finally.

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I knew a Farve thread was coming. Farve is done. His body is done. His arm is done.

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Well, all I'll say is that the Jets will look forever stupid for firing their head coach for Favre's ego [B]if[/B] Favre retires again.

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Farve would be a better QB than Tavaris Jackson if he had both arms cut off.

T. Jackson is the worst starting QB I have ever seen play.

I'm sure the Vikes would love to have Campbell right now!!! lol

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Tavaris is pretty bad, the Vikes need to make a move in the offseason to get a quality QB in there.

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The Jets are the #2 football team in NYC and they need something to create a buzz. Thats where Favre comes in. I think he will do his usual and jerk the Jets around until zero hour and then decide to come back.

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[quote=irish;517911][B]The Jets are the #2 football team in NYC and they need something to create a buzz.[/B] Thats where Favre comes in. I think he will do his usual and jerk the Jets around until zero hour and then decide to come back.[/quote]

They also needed something (or someone I guess) to help sell all the ridiculously expensive personal seat licenses in their new stadium. They have never been a big player in the FA market, and coincedentally one season before they move to a new stadium they suddenly spend $140M on win-now type players (and traded an handful of draft picks in the process)??

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[quote=firstdown;517892]I knew a Farve thread was coming. Farve is done. His body is done. His arm is done.[/quote]
You better "stake" him to make sure!

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[quote=GMScud;517913]They also needed something (or someone I guess) to help sell all the ridiculously expensive personal seat licenses in their new stadium. They have never been a big player in the FA market, and coincedentally one season before they move to a new stadium they suddenly spend $140M on win-now type players (and traded an handful of draft picks in the process)??[/quote]

Good point. I forgot about the new stadium. Selling PSLs in this economy could be tough. Heck, selling playoff tickets hasnt been a piece of cake.

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If Farve showed up with the Vikings next year that would be shady
He better retire or play with the Jets or risk further tarnishing his 'legacy'
-That would be a scumbag move to play his way out of NY and into Minny

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maroonandblack30:

Tarvaris Jackson is not a good QB at the NFL level; no argument there. He may never become a good QB at the NFL level; time will tell. But if he is the worst you have ever seen play, then one of two things is true:
[INDENT]1. You haven't watched NFL football games for very long, or

2. You need to hold your breath because there are some bad QBs out there that you are about to see.[/INDENT]

Tarvaris Jackson is better than Bruce Gradkowski and Ken Dorsey.

Tarvaris Jackson is better than Kellen Clements.

Tarvaris Jackson is better than Cleo Lemon.

Tarvaris Jackson is better than Dan Orlovsky, Drew Stanton and the other Lions' QB whose name escapes me at the moment.

Tarvaris Jackson is better than Jordan Palmer.

Tarvaris Jackson is about the same as Ryan Fitzpatrick.

Tarvaris Jackson is better than Patrick Ramsey.

Tarvaris Jackson is better than Mark Brunell.

Those are just a few of the people currently employed in the NFL as QBs who are not as good as Tarvaris Jackson and who play worse than he does.

If you want to go back into history to find some truly bad QBs, start by looking through the ranks of those who have played QB for the Chicago Bears since Sid Luckman retired in the 50s.

The Vikings should be looking to upgrade the QB position in the off-season but keep in mind that they [B]can do worse [/B]than what they have...

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Outside of Detroit, is there a worse [I][B]starting[/B][/I] QB than Tavaris? If he is Minnesota's starter next year, Minnesota will NOT be returning to the playoffs.

What team would swap their current starter for Jackson?

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I'm feeling that he'll take 4 months off in Misssissippi make look at Minnesota but if he cannot find anything I think he'll finally retire.
:towel:

As for Jackson the guy is [B]not[/B] a starting NFL QB yet, I mean he was okay but average doesn't cut it. The Vikings are a good team but they need a good QB to get them over the top.

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;517925]maroonandblack30:

Tarvaris Jackson is not a good QB at the NFL level; no argument there. He may never become a good QB at the NFL level; time will tell. But if he is the worst you have ever seen play, then one of two things is true:
[INDENT]1. You haven't watched NFL football games for very long, or

2. You need to hold your breath because there are some bad QBs out there that you are about to see.[/INDENT]

Tarvaris Jackson is better than Bruce Gradkowski and Ken Dorsey.

Tarvaris Jackson is better than Kellen Clements.

Tarvaris Jackson is better than Cleo Lemon.

Tarvaris Jackson is better than Dan Orlovsky, Drew Stanton and the other Lions' QB whose name escapes me at the moment.

Tarvaris Jackson is better than Jordan Palmer.

Tarvaris Jackson is about the same as Ryan Fitzpatrick.

Tarvaris Jackson is better than Patrick Ramsey.

Tarvaris Jackson is better than Mark Brunell.

Those are just a few of the people currently employed in the NFL as QBs who are not as good as Tarvaris Jackson and who play worse than he does.

If you want to go back into history to find some truly bad QBs, start by looking through the ranks of those who have played QB for the Chicago Bears since Sid Luckman retired in the 50s.

The Vikings should be looking to upgrade the QB position in the off-season but keep in mind that they [B]can do worse [/B]than what they have...[/quote]

Thanks for the thesis but I said STARTING QB. Little different.

I would argue that Fitzpatrick and Orlovsky are better than Jackson too...but I won't since it isn't worth the effort....they all suck to varying degrees

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Wasn't Frerotte their starter for a good part of the season? I think he only lost his job because of injury.

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Jackson started the season..... Gus took over for a stretch, then Jackson started the last 3 or 4 games plus the playoff game. Pretty sure Gus wasn't injured and could have played all those games except one. I guess the Vikings thought he was their best option.

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This guy needs help. He needs to find a rock to climb under. The world is just not ready to go through this again.

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[quote=Schneed10;517943]Wasn't Frerotte their starter for a good part of the season? I think he only lost his job because of injury.[/quote]

Not only was Freotte their starter, he was 8-3 in 11 games. Tavaris Jackson had a good game against the Cardinals, so Childress decided to go with Jackson for the playoffs becuase of a "gut feeling." Literally. That's what he said. A "gut feeling."

This was a horrible mistake by Childress IMO.

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Favre is done, period. He's the last thing that anyone wants to see anymore. He needs to go sell used tires or something. I say sack Keith Obberman and bring in Favre on NBC. I can't stand Keith. Let Favre beat a mud hole in his butt and march it dry.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;517933]Outside of Detroit, is there a worse [I][B]starting[/B][/I] QB than Tavaris? If he is Minnesota's starter next year, Minnesota will NOT be returning to the playoffs.

What team would swap their current starter for Jackson?[/quote]


Then Minnesota will be happy to get Mike Vick. I'm tired of Favre, I dont care if he falls off the earth and die, and futher more, all you who think Tarvis is the worst ever, really, Schuler, Leaf, ect. Shit he has more heart than our on QB do, at least he tries.

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Farve is a selfish diva who should be forced to retire. There is no reason for a guy that's been playing since 91 to lead the league in INT's. The Jets should just try and get a veteran free agent who will take care of the ball.

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[quote=djnemo65;517884]But wouldn't New York have to release him since he's still under contract? That seems extremely unlikely given that they had to give up picks to get him. Moreover,[B] trading him is out since the terms of the original trade with Green Bay explicitly forbid a second trade to Minnesota.[/B]

I think that's where it makes the most sense for him to go and is where he wanted to go all along, but I just don't see how it's possible.[/quote]
Was that only in the first year... or the whole contract?

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[quote=Mattyk72;517903]Tavaris is pretty bad, the Vikes need to make a move in the offseason to get a quality QB in there.[/quote]
Bid on Cassell maybe?

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[quote=skinsfan69;517970]Farve is a selfish diva who should be forced to retire. There is no reason for a guy that's been playing since 91 to lead the league in INT's. The Jets should just try and get a veteran free agent who will take care of the ball.[/quote]


Amen to that. He has kept his "diva-ness" hidden quite well until the past 2 years. It is apparent he is all about himself. It doesn't hurt to have ESPN gush about you 24-7 to keep your cred though. He is a big baby.

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[quote=tryfuhl;517972]Was that only in the first year... or the whole contract?[/quote]

I was assuming the whole contract although I don't know that for sure.

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[quote=firstdown;517892]I knew a Farve thread was coming. Farve is done. His body is done. His arm is done.[/quote]

Uhh... he still has that other arm to work with and I'll put money on Brett throwing lefty over any other QB in the league!!!

:laughing2

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I'd rather have Favre on my roster than scum bags brothers Vick.

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[quote=skinsfan69;517970]Farve is a selfish diva who should be forced to retire. There is no reason for a guy that's been playing since 91 to lead the league in INT's. The Jets should just try and get a veteran free agent who will take care of the ball.[/quote]

Thank you!! He should have retired with dignity last year.

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If I was Minnesota I'd take Favre and try to get him over Vick or Derek Anderson and anyone but perhaps Jeff Garcia. Minnesota is a good team with a terrible Tarvarius Jackson. Terrible. And sportscurmedugeon I take issue with several of your points. Tarvarius is NOT better than Frerrotte, Brunell, and etc. He will not start for the Vikings in 2009! Bring FAVRE to MINNESOTA!!! If not Favre look for Garcia to end up there. Vikes need QB help immediately!

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Favre's right on par with Ferotte in terms of TD-INT ratio. 22 Tds with 22 picks is nothing impressive when the other QBs who threw for an equal amount of or more TDs as Favre have fewer picks, with Cutler being the closest to him, and even that gap is by 4 INTs. The last thing any offense needs is a turnover machine, and that's what Favre's become now. 6 of his picks came in the 1-10 range or behind the line of scrimmage.

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Minnesota will probably make a run at Grossman or Kerry Collins. Or look at possibly trading for any number of back-up QBs itching for their chance...again: Anderson, Leinart, Losman, Rosenfels

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;517925]maroonandblack30:

Tarvaris Jackson is not a good QB at the NFL level; no argument there. He may never become a good QB at the NFL level; time will tell. But if he is the worst you have ever seen play, then one of two things is true:[INDENT]1. You haven't watched NFL football games for very long, or

2. You need to hold your breath because there are some bad QBs out there that you are about to see.[/INDENT]Tarvaris Jackson is better than Bruce Gradkowski and Ken Dorsey.

Tarvaris Jackson is better than Kellen Clements.

Tarvaris Jackson is better than Cleo Lemon.

Tarvaris Jackson is better than Dan Orlovsky, Drew Stanton and the other Lions' QB whose name escapes me at the moment.

Tarvaris Jackson is better than Jordan Palmer.

Tarvaris Jackson is about the same as Ryan Fitzpatrick.

Tarvaris Jackson is better than Patrick Ramsey.

Tarvaris Jackson is better than Mark Brunell.

Those are just a few of the people currently employed in the NFL as QBs who are not as good as Tarvaris Jackson and who play worse than he does.

If you want to go back into history to find some truly bad QBs, start by looking through the ranks of those who have played QB for the Chicago Bears since Sid Luckman retired in the 50s.

The Vikings should be looking to upgrade the QB position in the off-season but keep in mind that they [B]can do worse [/B]than what they have...[/quote]

Dude he is not better than Brunell. Granted he wasn't the greatest towards the end of his carreer, but look at overall numbers and they are pretty damn good.

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hooskins:

In 2007 and 08, Tarvaris Jackson is a better QB than Mark Brunell. And he will be better than Brunell in 2009 too. Brunell went over the waterfall somewhere around the middle of 2006.


maroonandblack30:

JaMarcus Russel starts most of the time for the Raiders. Tarvaris Jackson is as good as Russell and maybe better.


Shaun Hill started most of the later games this year for the 49ers. Is he that much better than Jackson? I think they are equally mediocre/suub-par.


If you call Alex Smith or JT O'Sullivan the starting QB for the 49ers, then Jackson is better than both of them.


Brodie Croyle was the starter in KC until he was hurt. Jackson is not worse than Croyle - - he's not much better either.


Tyler Thigpen took over for Croyle. Jackson is probably a bit worse than Thigpen but not a lot.


None of the Browns' QBs - as in not a single one of the four who started games thie year - showed in 2008 that they were any better than Tarvaris Jackson except for the fact that two of them (Anderson and Quinn) both make tons more money than Jackson does.


Remember, I said that Jackson was not a good NFL QB and may never turn into one. But he isn't the worst QB in the NFL and he isn't the worst starting QB in the NFL.

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I'd still rather take my chances with a 38 year old Brunell over Jackson if I had one game to win.

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;518454]hooskins:

In 2007 and 08, Tarvaris Jackson is a better QB than Mark Brunell. And he will be better than Brunell in 2009 too. Brunell went over the waterfall somewhere around the middle of 2006.

[/quote]

First of all if we look career-wise it is not even a comparison. Otherwise the old Brunell vs Tavaris are quite similar. 04 was just a terrible year for Brunell's otherwise consistent performance. The numbers would be even higher if it weren't for that
[B]
Brunell[/B]
completion %:59.6
Tds:182
Ints: 106
tds/ints:1.72
rating: 84.2

[B]Brunell as a Redskin:
[/B]completion %:56.6
Tds:38
Ints: 20
tds/ints:1.9
rating: 78.77

[B]Jackson 07 and 08[/B]:
completion %: 58.65
Tds:18
Ints: 14
tds/ints:1.29
rating:83.1

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[quote=hooskins;518466]First of all if we look career-wise it is not even a comparison. Otherwise the old Brunell vs Tavaris are quite similar. 04 was just a terrible year for Brunell's otherwise consistent performance. The numbers would be even higher if it weren't for that
[B]
Brunell[/B]
completion %:59.6
Tds:182
Ints: 106
tds/ints:1.72
rating: 84.2

[B][B]Brunell as a Redskin:
[/B]completion %:56.6
Tds:38
Ints: 20
tds/ints:1.9
rating: 78.77[/B]

[B]Jackson 07 and 08[/B]:
completion %: 58.65
Tds:18
Ints: 14
tds/ints:1.29
rating:83.1[/quote]

Good Lord Brunell was bad w/ us. Considering how much of an upgrade JC has been (and the numbers can't relate the mobility factor) one might think the kid could catch a break.

:rofl:

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[quote=The Goat;518467]Good Lord Brunell was bad w/ us. Considering how much of an upgrade JC has been (and the numbers can't relate the mobility factor) one might think the kid could catch a break.

:rofl:[/quote]

he wasnt as bad as you think just one REALLY bad year in 04.

[B]Brunell 04[/B]
comp %: 49.8
Tds:7
Ints:6
rating:63.9

Without this year, in 05 and 06 Brunell had around a 60 % completion and 85 % QB rating. Pretty darn good. SC is probably going to say it is unfair to take away that first year, but I did take away Tavaris' first year as a rookie.

If we include those numbers(which are terrible) Tavaris' numbers drop pretty quickly.