ARE vs. Lloyd for the number 2 WR spot
 

Just heard on Sporstalk 980 from the Redskin report by Jerry Coleman that ARE leads Brandon Llyod for the number 2 WR spot opposite of Moss. Not looking to good for Llyod but it is only training camp - but this has got to be a big letdown to Llyod and his supporters since this is probably Llyod's put up some numbers or be cut year.

Re: ARE vs. Llyod for the number 2 WR spot
 

[quote=Bill B;334946]Just heard on Sporstalk 980 from the Redskin report by Jerry Coleman that ARE leads Bradon Llyod for the number 2 WR spot opposite of Moss. Not looking to good for Llyod but it is only training camp - but this has got to be a big letdown to Llyod and his supporters since this is probably Llyod's put up some numbers or be cut year.[/quote]

I don't think much of Brandon Lloyd's character. He thinks way too highly of himself and consequently thinks he can get by on the talent he was given.

10 pounds or not, the guy's a bum because you can't count on him. Every now and then he'll show up to make a big play, but he's so inconsistent that he's sure to let you down when you really need him to come through.

This is a timing offense, and the fact that Lloyd didn't take the time to get with JC in the offseason to get the timing down speaks volumes to me. JC is going to favor Moss and ARE, as well as Cooley because of the rapport.

Re: ARE vs. Llyod for the number 2 WR spot
 

I agree. B Lloyd seems to think that it is all about him. He really should have sat down with JC this off-season to get timing down. He is right now the 4th option in the mind of JC and that will remain that way until he shows otherwise.

(we could've had Darrell Jackson for a 4th rounder, but we gave 2 picks to San Fran for Lloyd)

Re: ARE vs. Llyod for the number 2 WR spot
 

[quote=Schneed10;334949]I don't think much of Brandon Lloyd's character. He thinks way too highly of himself and consequently thinks he can get by on the talent he was given.

10 pounds or not, the guy's a bum because you can't count on him. Every now and then he'll show up to make a big play, but he's so inconsistent that he's sure to let you down when you really need him to come through.

This is a timing offense, and the fact that Lloyd didn't take the time to get with JC in the offseason to get the timing down speaks volumes to me. JC is going to favor Moss and ARE, as well as Cooley because of the rapport.[/quote]

I was wondering why he didn't practice with JC as well and instead trained with Shawn Springs in Arizona. Wouldn't it make more sense to train with the qb you are going to be working with?

Re: ARE vs. Llyod for the number 2 WR spot
 

James Thrash for president. Or No. 2 receiver.

Look, I want ARE on the field as much as possible. If that makes him a "No. 2 receiver", thats fine by me. But in a 3rd down situation, the first read should be Cooley, the second should be Moss, and the third should be Thrash, more often than not.

Re: ARE vs. Lloyd for the number 2 WR spot
 

I think you guys need to cut him some slack. He pissed me off last season too, but this is a new year. The reason that he is #3 on the depth chart right now is because that's how the season ended last year. So far this year, he has said all the right things. Lets hope things work out because we certainly need them too. I love James Thrash, but he is not a go to receiver anymore.

Re: ARE vs. Lloyd for the number 2 WR spot
 

We don't seem to have a #2 or #3 position, so I don't think that really matters.
ARE is a lesser talented Moss.
We need Lloyd to step up.

Re: ARE vs. Lloyd for the number 2 WR spot
 

[quote=jsarno;334970]We don't seem to have a #2 or #3 position, so I don't think that really matters.
ARE is a lesser talented Moss.
We need Lloyd to step up.[/quote]


The only reason that ARE is ahead is because that's the way they finished last season. Anybody eho has watched both the Al Saunders and Joe Gibbs press confrences knows that.

Re: ARE vs. Lloyd for the number 2 WR spot
 

Loyd may be the wild card for the whole offense. If he steps up, we're dangerous. If not, the good defenses will be able to match up.

Like a lot of us, I think it was a terrible trade to get him & he seems to be more of a problem than he's worth, but I'm hoping he can at least be a deep ball specialist. I don't think he'll ever be a tough move the chains reciever, but he's comfortable going deep & going up for the ball.

Re: ARE vs. Lloyd for the number 2 WR spot
 

thrash made more [b]clutch[/b] catches than Lloyd and ARE combined last year... everytime he gets a pass thrown his way, at least all most everytime, he catches the damn ball...

Re: ARE vs. Lloyd for the number 2 WR spot
 

unfortually neither is more than a number 3 wr. but i will take ARE over LLoyd any day. Guess we got what we paid for huh?

Re: ARE vs. Lloyd for the number 2 WR spot
 

[QUOTE=freddyg12;334976]Loyd may be the wild card for the whole offense. If he steps up, we're dangerous. If not, the good defenses will be able to match up.

Like a lot of us, I think it was a terrible trade to get him & he seems to be more of a problem than he's worth, but I'm hoping he can at least be a deep ball specialist. I don't think he'll ever be a tough move the chains reciever, but he's comfortable going deep & going up for the ball.[/QUOTE]

I think he bulked up this off-season with the intent of being the "over the middle" guy

Re: ARE vs. Lloyd for the number 2 WR spot
 

[QUOTE=Meks;334977]thrash made more [b]clutch[/b] catches than Lloyd and ARE combined last year... everytime he gets a pass thrown his way, at least all most everytime, he catches the damn ball...[/QUOTE]

Umm, Thrash only caught a TOTAL of 12 balls for 151 yards last year.
Stop thinking he is anything special...he isn't.

Re: ARE vs. Lloyd for the number 2 WR spot
 

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;334982]I think he bulked up this off-season with the intent of being the "over the middle" guy[/QUOTE]


And he will be...he'll get more opportunities to actually catch the ball this year.
We all want Lloyd's head on a platter, but fact is, Lloyd couldn't do shit last year cause the ball was rarely thrown in his direction.
Give him a chance, and he might show us something.

Re: ARE vs. Lloyd for the number 2 WR spot
 

whether ARE or Lloyd are #2 or #3 respectively, it doesnt even matter because just about 90% of our games were started in a 3 wide receiver set. to me they'll both get just about the same amount of playing time.

I also think Lloyd will step up by the time the season starts

Re: ARE vs. Lloyd for the number 2 WR spot
 

[quote=chrisl13;335004]whether ARE or Lloyd are #2 or #3 respectively, it doesnt even matter because just about 90% of our games were started in a 3 wide receiver set. to me they'll both get just about the same amount of playing time.

I also think Lloyd will step up by the time the season starts[/quote]

Welcome to the board, and not a bad first post.

Re: ARE vs. Lloyd for the number 2 WR spot
 

[quote=angryssg;335012]Welcome to the board, and not a bad first post.[/quote]

thanks. i just had to get that off my chest lol

Re: ARE vs. Lloyd for the number 2 WR spot
 

[QUOTE=chrisl13;335004]whether ARE or Lloyd are #2 or #3 respectively, it doesnt even matter because just about 90% of our games were started in a 3 wide receiver set. to me they'll both get just about the same amount of playing time.

I also think Lloyd will step up by the time the season starts[/QUOTE]

Yes, exactly my point. ARE may be in the #2 spot, but Lloyd will get just as many chances if not more.

Re: ARE vs. Lloyd for the number 2 WR spot
 

Yeah because he is a better "reciever."

Re: ARE vs. Lloyd for the number 2 WR spot
 

[quote=Bill B;334946]- but this has got to be a big letdown to Llyod [I]and his supporters[/I] . . . .[/quote]

:stop: I don't think Lloyd has a lot of supporters.

Brandon is more physically gifted than ARE and rightfully should be the #2 receiver, both on the depth chart and by the numbers. I think it's a problem when your #2 receiver is the tight end. I'm taking nothing away from Chris Cooley who is a better receiver then either BL or ARE. It's just that the top two receivers by catches, yards and TDs should be your wideouts.

For the team's sake, I hope Lloyd is successful this year, but I don't have my hopes up.

Re: ARE vs. Lloyd for the number 2 WR spot
 

I usually side with the majority opinion but it looks I'm in the minority when it comes to Lloyd. I like him a lot. I love the fiery, cocky attitude. I think he uses it to motivate him to make plays. Lloyd follows in the mold of Gary Clark. Not everyone can be like Art Monk. In fact, as far as receivers and ego...um...go, Monk seems to have been an aberration. As long as he stays out of trouble with the law, I will root for him to compete with Santanna for the #1 role.

I also think it's kind of silly to say "Lloyd's not a #2" due to to last year's performance when everyone's performance last year was subpar. With that line of thinking we don't any first stringers.

Re: ARE vs. Lloyd for the number 2 WR spot
 

i think I'm in the minority when it comes to Lloyd, too. nothing wrong with alittle swagger. i don't remember Lloyd dropping any balls last season. it was just Brunell wouldn't throw to him. should be different this year

Re: ARE vs. Lloyd for the number 2 WR spot
 

[quote=jsarno;334986]Umm, Thrash only caught a TOTAL of 12 balls for 151 yards last year.
Stop thinking he is anything special...he isn't.[/quote]
it seems like there are alot of people around here that are infatuated with Thrash. the guy is a good team player. no more, no less

Re: ARE vs. Lloyd for the number 2 WR spot
 

Based on how last year ended ARE [U]should[/U] be listed ahead of Lloyd. Lloyd has a lot to prove right now.

Re: ARE vs. Lloyd for the number 2 WR spot
 

I really don't think that either is a strong # 2 guy from what we say last year. I hope that at least one of them took last year to heart, and went home and had a long talk in front of a mirror. We need to have a strong guy this year other than Moss.

Re: ARE vs. Lloyd for the number 2 WR spot
 

I was listening to Gibbs presser the other day and the way he talks about BL you would think he was Gary Clark. Gibbs always says he is real talented, he is real graceful catching the ball, has all this ability. I even read that he and Springs trained together in Ariz and Springs was saying the same stuff. I mean Springs said that Lloyd was one of the most talented WR's he had ever been around. Now that's a bold statement.

So why doesn't all this ability transfer to the field?? Yes, you can blame some of it on Brunell, but that only goes so far. Plus he never did shit in SF.

I'm looking for this guy to really take off this year. I'm talking about 60-80 catches and 6-8 TD's. He needs to put up or shut up and go away.

Re: ARE vs. Lloyd for the number 2 WR spot
 

[quote=Mattyk72;335145]Based on how last year ended ARE [U]should[/U] be listed ahead of Lloyd. Lloyd has a lot to prove right now.[/quote]

ARE is a nice player but he is not a solid NFL #2 WR. If our offense is going to improve and go to the next level we are going to need Lloyd to play like he is capable of playing.

Re: ARE vs. Lloyd for the number 2 WR spot
 

Antwaan burned shawn springs yesterday. ARE had to dive down for the catch and might not have caught it. I think the ref might of said no catch but i had a better look at it than even the ref did and it looked good. Maybe out of bounds but ARE caught it. Shawn turned around indicating no catch with his hands. Small tidbit from camp, thats all.

Re: ARE vs. Lloyd for the number 2 WR spot
 

[quote=Bill B;334946]Just heard on Sporstalk 980 from the Redskin report by Jerry Coleman that ARE leads Brandon Llyod for the number 2 WR spot opposite of Moss. Not looking to good for Llyod but it is only training camp - but this has got to be a big letdown to Llyod and his supporters since this is probably Llyod's put up some numbers or be cut year.[/quote]
If your going to start a thread about a player at least get the facts right. Lloyd is listed as the #3 WR only because that is how they finished the season last year and has nothing to do with their play in camps. I heard this twice over the past 2 days and one of the sources was Gibbs. On the Riggo show yesterday the reporter they had at camp said he did not know if it was just him but Lloyd look much faster than he did last year and he was impressed with hi play. Lets give the guy a break and the opportunity to prove that he can get the job done. Our O and D all looked bad last year and the only player that really stood out was Betts.

Re: ARE vs. Lloyd for the number 2 WR spot
 

[quote=skinsfan69;335176]ARE is a nice player but he is not a solid NFL #2 WR. If our offense is going to improve and go to the next level we are going to need Lloyd to play like he is capable of playing.[/quote]

Based on last year Lloyd isn't even a good #3.

Like I said, he has a lot to prove right now.

Re: ARE vs. Lloyd for the number 2 WR spot
 

[quote=Mattyk72;335145]Based on how last year ended ARE [U]should[/U] be listed ahead of Lloyd. Lloyd has a lot to prove right now.[/quote]

You really cant base anything on last year since it was so sad and pityful. Khary Campbell coulda ended the season at #2 WR

Re: ARE vs. Lloyd for the number 2 WR spot
 

i believe this in my heart of hearts. lloyd must and will step up this season and be a threat . his career depend on it really if u think about it. who else is going to take a chance on a overpaid , underachieving head case wide out after 2 teams get the same results. he has to see this if only for his own good....

Re: ARE vs. Lloyd for the number 2 WR spot
 

[quote=724Skinsfan;335137]I usually side with the majority opinion but it looks I'm in the minority when it comes to Lloyd. I like him a lot. [B]I love the fiery, cocky attitude. I think he uses it to motivate him to make plays. Lloyd follows in the mold of Gary Clark.[/B] Not everyone can be like Art Monk. In fact, as far as receivers and ego...um...go, Monk seems to have been an aberration. As long as he stays out of trouble with the law, I will root for him to compete with Santanna for the #1 role.

I also think it's kind of silly to say "Lloyd's not a #2" due to to last year's performance when everyone's performance last year was subpar. With that line of thinking we don't any first stringers.[/quote]
The only problem I have with this comparison is that Clark actually had the goods to back up the attitude. Lloyd, not so much.

Re: ARE vs. Lloyd for the number 2 WR spot
 

LLoyd's numbers were pathetic last year (all-time record low for a #2 WR) and went far beyond the collective struggles of the offense. We still had guys that produced offensively, and along with his lack of production his attitude problems were probably a bigger concern.

Re: ARE vs. Lloyd for the number 2 WR spot
 

[quote=Lady Brave;335221]The only problem I have with this comparison is that Clark actually had the goods to back up the attitude. Lloyd, not so much.[/quote]

Yeah there's really no comparing the two. Clark was a gamer that gave it all on the field. Lloyd so far has been a punk that hasn't shown us anything on the field.

Re: ARE vs. Lloyd for the number 2 WR spot
 

[QUOTE=Mattyk72;335226]Yeah there's really no comparing the two. Clark was a gamer that gave it all on the field. Lloyd so far has been a punk that hasn't shown us anything on the field.[/QUOTE]


absolutely agree with this assessment.
Clark was one of the all time best Skins wr's, it's a slap in his face to be compared to Lloyd.

For as much as I think Lloyd will come around, I don't think anyone quite understands that in order to produce, you have to have a viable QB to throw it to you. It wasn't all Lloyds fault.

Re: ARE vs. Llyod for the number 2 WR spot
 

[quote=Schneed10;334949]I don't think much of Brandon Lloyd's character. He thinks way too highly of himself and consequently thinks he can get by on the talent he was given.

10 pounds or not, the guy's a bum because you can't count on him. Every now and then he'll show up to make a big play, but he's so inconsistent that he's sure to let you down when you really need him to come through.

This is a timing offense, and the fact that Lloyd didn't take the time to get with JC in the offseason to get the timing down speaks volumes to me. JC is going to favor Moss and ARE, as well as Cooley because of the rapport.[/quote]

You are right and the Redskins knew that (or should have) before the acquired him. I can remember Tim Ryan on NFL Radio bashing Lloyd even before the Redskins looked into acquiring him. He said he did an interview with Llyod about an upcoming opponent in preparation for Ryan's broadcasting gig. He asked Lloyd how he planned to attack the secondary, what he had seen on tape, etc. and B. Lloyd told him he didn't watch tape and that he would just smoke the guy a couple of times and the CB would be in his pocket.

Re: ARE vs. Lloyd for the number 2 WR spot
 

[quote=Lady Brave;335221]The only problem I have with this comparison is that Clark actually had the goods to back up the attitude. Lloyd, not so much.[/quote]

Without a doubt Gary Clark's receiving ability has shown to be superior to Lloyd's but there's not a lot of dissimiliarity in attitude. Something that easy to overlook when your catching 75+ 1200+ yards and 8+ TDs every year. Don't get me wrong. I love Gary Clark. He's basically a local legend down in these parts (SW VA).

Re: ARE vs. Lloyd for the number 2 WR spot
 

[quote=firstdown;335197]If your going to start a thread about a player at least get the facts right. Lloyd is listed as the #3 WR only because that is how they finished the season last year and has nothing to do with their play in camps. I heard this twice over the past 2 days and one of the sources was Gibbs. On the Riggo show yesterday the reporter they had at camp said he did not know if it was just him but Lloyd look much faster than he did last year and he was impressed with hi play. Lets give the guy a break and the opportunity to prove that he can get the job done. Our O and D all looked bad last year and the only player that really stood out was Betts.[/quote]

See here's the thing though. It's great that Lloyd has more muscle and looks fast and all that crap. But the thing that matters most in Saunders' offense is TIMING. The WR needs to be at a certain spot by a certain time, because the QB is going to throw it there whether the WR is there or not. This requires very precise route-running on the part of the WRs. Speed and size are great, but if Lloyd isn't practicing with Campbell, then how can Campbell trust Lloyd to be where he needs to be? Lloyd failed to connect with Campbell in the offseason at all; meanwhile Moss and ARE got time in with JC.

I question Brandon Lloyd's work ethic and his attention to detail. He's a straight up burner, and just wants to use his speed. So far in his career, he has shown no interest in improving on the nuances of route-running.

I'll be very surprised if he has a good season. I think he's a total bum.

Re: ARE vs. Llyod for the number 2 WR spot
 

[quote=Schneed10;334949]I don't think much of Brandon Lloyd's character. He thinks way too highly of himself and consequently thinks he can get by on the talent he was given.

10 pounds or not, the guy's a bum because you can't count on him. Every now and then he'll show up to make a big play, but he's so inconsistent that he's sure to let you down when you really need him to come through.

This is a timing offense, and the fact that Lloyd didn't take the time to get with JC in the offseason to get the timing down speaks volumes to me. JC is going to favor Moss and ARE, as well as Cooley because of the rapport.[/quote]
Do you have a source that says that he did not work out with JC in the off season and that the others did. I remember that Lloyd was in a QB competion with JC and that would not make much sense if JC was working out with other WR this year.