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SmootSmack 07-08-2011 11:33 AM

8th Circuit Rules That Lockout is Legal
 
Starting a new lockout thread with this news.

Some say this is signficant because it gives the owners more ammo. Others say this ruling was expected and as far as both sides have gotten in negotiations, the owners won't use this as major leverage.

Next few days are going to be huge

GMScud 07-08-2011 11:49 AM

Re: 8th Circuit Rules That Lockout is Legal
 
[quote=SmootSmack;809934]Starting a new lockout thread with this news.
[B]
Some say this is signficant because it gives the owners more ammo. Others say this ruling was expected and as far as both sides have gotten in negotiations, the owners won't use this as major leverage.[/B]

Next few days are going to be huge[/quote]

I certainly hope it's the latter. This weekend is critical.

CRedskinsRule 07-08-2011 12:11 PM

Re: 8th Circuit Rules That Lockout is Legal
 
Interesting in the ruling is that there is not a dissenting opinion by Judge Bye. Maybe that comes later, but if not then to me that seems like there won't be an En Banque appeal.

Text of the ruling [URL="http://www.ca8.uscourts.gov/nfl/ca8_live.11.cv.1898.3805522.0.pdf"]here[/URL]

edit: actually Bye did dissent.

Alvin Walton 07-08-2011 12:21 PM

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I just hope this news doesn't disturb any current progress they have made.
It would suck to start all over on any issues that have been settled.

Defensewins 07-08-2011 12:24 PM

Re: 8th Circuit Rules That Lockout is Legal
 
Zzzzz....Huh?
I wasn't asleep...I was resting my eyes.

freddyg12 07-08-2011 12:58 PM

Re: 8th Circuit Rules That Lockout is Legal
 
talk about timing, this sounds like it could be disastrous!

Mattyk 07-08-2011 01:05 PM

Re: 8th Circuit Rules That Lockout is Legal
 
[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/08/loophole-in-eighth-circuit-ruling-should-discourage-owners-from-dropping-the-hammer/]Loophole in Eighth Circuit ruling should discourage owners from dropping the hammer | ProFootballTalk[/url]

Longtimefan 07-08-2011 01:10 PM

Re: 8th Circuit Rules That Lockout is Legal
 
[url=http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&sqi=2&ved=0CCIQqQIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fsports.yahoo.com%2Fnfl%2Fblog%2Fshutdown_corner%2Fpost%2FLabor-update-Eighth-Circuit-Court-rules-that-lo%3Furn%3Dnfl-wp3214&ei=MCoXTve5HM210AGzsZlr&usg=AFQjCNHQ-xgtLWvCY02Yb2AuGARuMjBLdQ&sig2=XVejpCrXbDlSqioRsJOuHQ]Labor update: Eighth Circuit Court rules that lockout is legal - Shutdown Corner - NFL*Blog - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

The players can't have their cake and eat it too ha!

30gut 07-08-2011 01:28 PM

Re: 8th Circuit Rules That Lockout is Legal
 
[quote=SmootSmack;809934]Starting a new lockout thread with this news.

Some say this is signficant because it gives the owners more ammo. Others say this ruling was expected and as far as both sides have gotten in negotiations, the owners won't use this as major leverage.

Next few days are going to be huge[/quote]
I don't think this changes too much.
It simply re-affirms that the owners have the legal right to have the lockout (which had essentially been granted since the appeal).


But, as per ESPN there is language in the ruling that:

o it exempts the rookies and FA from the lock out

o it allows the players to re-file the anti-trust case in Sept. at which point the owners would face triple damages if they lose.

SBXVII 07-08-2011 01:37 PM

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[quote=Longtimefan;809974][URL="http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&sqi=2&ved=0CCIQqQIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fsports.yahoo.com%2Fnfl%2Fblog%2Fshutdown_corner%2Fpost%2FLabor-update-Eighth-Circuit-Court-rules-that-lo%3Furn%3Dnfl-wp3214&ei=MCoXTve5HM210AGzsZlr&usg=AFQjCNHQ-xgtLWvCY02Yb2AuGARuMjBLdQ&sig2=XVejpCrXbDlSqioRsJOuHQ"]Labor update: Eighth Circuit Court rules that lockout is legal - Shutdown Corner - NFL*Blog - Yahoo! Sports[/URL]

The players can't have their cake and eat it too ha![/quote]


Ta... DAAAAAA.

I love this
[quote]
As expected, [B]the court saw the decertification as a sham[/B], and ruled decisively in favor of the owners by definition and on principle.
[/quote]

What have some of us been saying folks. :)

SBXVII 07-08-2011 01:51 PM

Re: 8th Circuit Rules That Lockout is Legal
 
Ok so now ....

What does this all mean in regards to Rookies and FA's? I'm confused as to how to take it..... are they saying because those two groups were not technically an employee so they are not bound by the decertification? Lockout? does it mean the owners can start negotiating contracts with them because they were none employees and not apart of the lawsuit?

Help..... lol.

SBXVII 07-08-2011 02:02 PM

Re: 8th Circuit Rules That Lockout is Legal
 
Found this at ESPN

[QUOTE]It does allow the players to go back to federal court in September and re-file their anti-trust case.
[/QUOTE]

I guess this would have been the 6 month waiting period the players should have had if they decertified legally.

SBXVII 07-08-2011 02:20 PM

Re: 8th Circuit Rules That Lockout is Legal
 
This kinds helps it came from NFL.com

[QUOTE]However, according to legal sources who have read today's ruling, the language from the 8th Circuit creates an opportunity for the NFL Players Association to file another expedited injunction seeking more rights for rookies and free agents not under contract. And, according to a high-placed source within the NFLPA, the players would file that injunction if a labor agreement can not be struck in short order.

Attorney general probing lockout
New York's attorney general, Eric Schneiderman, has started an antitrust investigation into the lockout, requesting information from both parties about the economic impact of pro football's labor impasse. More ...
The NFL would not be permitted to appeal any ruling by U.S. District Judge Susan Richard Nelson's court regarding a new injunction for rookies and free agents, according to lawyers who have read the decision. The wording of Friday's decision says that injunction, if sought, would be legal.

Friday's ruling contains language that leaves open what rights "free agents and rookies" could have under the lockout. The NFL's lockout rules prohibit any contact between players and teams regarding virtually all matters and explicitly contract negotiations are deemed illegal. According to the 8th U.S. Circuit Court ruling those issues "should be addressed by the district court in the first instance."

[B]According to the NFLPA source, the potential injunction on rookies and free agents that would be filed with Judge Nelson would be for the right for those players to immediately negotiate and sign deals.[/B][/QUOTE]

[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d820abe1f/article/ruling-leaves-open-possibility-for-nflpa-to-file-injunction?module=HP_headlines]NFL.com news: Ruling leaves open possibility for NFLPA to file injunction[/url]

Defensewins 07-08-2011 03:58 PM

Re: 8th Circuit Rules That Lockout is Legal
 
[quote=Longtimefan;809974][url=http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&sqi=2&ved=0CCIQqQIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fsports.yahoo.com%2Fnfl%2Fblog%2Fshutdown_corner%2Fpost%2FLabor-update-Eighth-Circuit-Court-rules-that-lo%3Furn%3Dnfl-wp3214&ei=MCoXTve5HM210AGzsZlr&usg=AFQjCNHQ-xgtLWvCY02Yb2AuGARuMjBLdQ&sig2=XVejpCrXbDlSqioRsJOuHQ]Labor update: Eighth Circuit Court rules that lockout is legal - Shutdown Corner - NFL*Blog - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

The players can't have their cake and eat it too ha![/quote]

Just the owners can.

NLC1054 07-08-2011 04:13 PM

Re: 8th Circuit Rules That Lockout is Legal
 
[quote=Longtimefan;809974][url=http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&sqi=2&ved=0CCIQqQIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fsports.yahoo.com%2Fnfl%2Fblog%2Fshutdown_corner%2Fpost%2FLabor-update-Eighth-Circuit-Court-rules-that-lo%3Furn%3Dnfl-wp3214&ei=MCoXTve5HM210AGzsZlr&usg=AFQjCNHQ-xgtLWvCY02Yb2AuGARuMjBLdQ&sig2=XVejpCrXbDlSqioRsJOuHQ]Labor update: Eighth Circuit Court rules that lockout is legal - Shutdown Corner - NFL*Blog - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

The players can't have their cake and eat it too ha![/quote]

Yeah, screw those players! How dare they lock themselves out while their bosses ask for more money for no reason! It only means this lockout could stretch out indefinitely! YAY!


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