Warpath

Warpath (http://www.thewarpath.net/forum.php)
-   Redskins Locker Room (http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/)
-   -   Absolutely Stunned. (http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/5237-absolutely-stunned.html)

Daseal 03-08-2005 08:33 PM

Absolutely Stunned.
 
I can't believe we let every single one of our decent UFA's escape. Smoot and Pierce were important pieces to our puzzle. I feel Pierce is a lot more replaceable than Smoot, but they were both very good players. Everyone on thewarpath, like always, preached stability. We all thought someone with a level head would be able to keep the spending to a minimum.

Then the Coles situation popped up. I was a bit suprised, but then after stepping back and thinking about it his moves kinda make sense. I was never for a trade of Coles no matter what, but what's ridiculous is us removing our 10.5M signing bonus from the table when Smoot went to the Vikings and trying to lowball him. Sorry, he's worth at least 11M in my mind. Especially when we're going to spend a long season seeing Harris get beat like a rented horse.

I am really starting to feel Gibbs should NOT be President of this team. There's a reason he won in strike years/with great talent scouts by his side. These moves are absolutely miserable. Add 6 Million dollars to Moss's current salary and tell me he's worth that! I don't think any sane person will tell you he is. Not to mention he's going to want his payday next year and chances are he'll walk which means we traded Coles for a one year WR.

Losing Smoot really chaps my ass because it's not like the Vikings gave him an offer that blew him out of the water, we pulled back our offer (which was fair, and would have been worth going into a bidding war with MN with up to 11 - 11.5 M.) Instead we decide to pull back our offer and try to lowball him. I have a feeling this is all Gibbs since Snyder isn't exactly known for lowballing. Especially a fan favorite and team leader in Smoot.

I didn't want anything this offseason, but more importantly I didn't want to lose anything. We got an F in both categories.

Gmanc711 03-08-2005 08:38 PM

Re: Absolutely Stunned.
 
This offseason sucks. We signed Rabach and Patten which were two good moves. After that this thing really sucks. I really feel like we took a step back this offseason.

SmootSmack 03-08-2005 08:43 PM

Re: Absolutely Stunned.
 
It's been frustrating, but as most people have said here over the past month let's stop worrying about "winning" in March. Because lately winning in the springtime hasn't provided many positive results in the fall. Maybe our luck will change this year

Daseal 03-08-2005 08:44 PM

Re: Absolutely Stunned.
 
Smoot - the whole point is I didn't want to "win" in march. I just didn't want to lose anyone!

Rabach was a great signing, Patten I'm not sold on -- we'll see.

Time to start drinking.

Yellow31 03-08-2005 08:47 PM

Re: Absolutely Stunned.
 
[QUOTE=smootsmack]It's been frustrating, but as most people have said here over the past month let's stop worrying about "winning" in March. Because lately winning in the springtime hasn't provided many positive results in the fall. Maybe our luck will change this year[/QUOTE]The last couple years we have won in March and sucked during the real season maybe this year we swap??? Man do I hope!!!

bigm29 03-08-2005 08:56 PM

Re: Absolutely Stunned.
 
every other offseason everyone thought we did amazing and we end up sucking during the season
now everyone thinks were having a terrible offseason so maybe we'll do good during the season


my bad...i didnt see that post above

downtown4life 03-08-2005 09:07 PM

Re: Absolutely Stunned.
 
The more I think about us losing so called loyal players the more I think about what we are becoming. The patriots a few years back and also now, minus corey dillon, what other big names did they have. How many times did their FO sign big name players and give out ridiculous contracts/signing bonuses, zero. This year Gibbs is focusing on team players that want to win, its looking like the what the patriots have been doing for the past 5 years. It will take time to gel, with Ramsey now the leader with fast, smaller receivers, he will look a lot like brady dumping the ball off on short routes. Also our workhorse portis can run down hill like dillon does for the patriots. The signing of Patten will give Gibbs more of an idea of how the patriots are doing it consistently in the NFL without big names on team. I dont doubt gibbs at all.

JoeRedskin 03-08-2005 09:08 PM

Re: Absolutely Stunned.
 
No. Wrong. Go to jail, go directly to jail do not pass go.

What everyone else is seeing as a clusterf***, I see as management taking a new (and better) fiscal line. Get rid of players who don't want to be here, take the hit now to increase flexibility, give good solid offers to good players but don't overpay.

One season Daseal, he has had one season. Last year he gets blasted for paying too much for Griffin, Washington and Springs and now for being too frugal. Maybe, perhaps just maybe, the fiscal strategy of the team is changing. In doing so, and for the next year or so, we may lose a good player or two.

This league is ALL about coaching. In each case, Smoot, Coles and Pierce, coaches feel like they have replacements. One of the first things Gibbs said after the season is that they would be taking a hard look at ALL their receivers. Read the Walters article, I get the feeling the Skins don't think Coles toe is gonna get better. Pierce? He's a MLB for pete's sake, Williams kicked ass w/out LaVar - He will kick ass without Pierce. Smoot, a tougher pill to swallow, but still there were several articles about Williams not being sold on Smoot. They made a solid offer, clearly within the market - and Smoot rejected it.

It's JG's 2nd offseason - and he doesn't appear to be making the same mistakes he made last year. Hmmmmm, maybe he DOES learn.

But you're right. Gibb's should be fired. A new offense installed and, while we're at it - let's just blow the whole damn team up for the 5th straight year and start from scratch. It has worked so well in the past.

sportscurmudgeon 03-08-2005 09:11 PM

Re: Absolutely Stunned.
 
Unfortunately, Danny Boy has a bad habit of low-balling his current players. Sometimes it comes back to bite him - and the team - in the ass.

Remember they could have restructured Chirs Samuels in January for several million less as a signing bonus AND with a team option to get out of year 6 of his cotract. But Danny Boy decided to play hardball - translation: lowball him - and when the market ran away from him, he had to raise the bid fast or get nothing in terms of restructuring done with Samuels.

Pierce got more $$$ from NY - not a team known for wild and crazy spending.

They played hardball with Smoot too thinking that he would not command a better deal and would come back to them and they could hammer him some more. Sorry, another FO miscalculation.

monk81 03-08-2005 09:23 PM

Re: Absolutely Stunned.
 
[QUOTE=JoeRedskin]No. Wrong. Go to jail, go directly to jail do not pass go.

What everyone else is seeing as a clusterf***, I see as management taking a new (and better) fiscal line. Get rid of players who don't want to be here, take the hit now to increase flexibility, give good solid offers to good players but don't overpay.

One season Daseal, he has had one season. Last year he gets blasted for paying too much for Griffin, Washington and Springs and now for being too frugal. Maybe, perhaps just maybe, the fiscal strategy of the team is changing. In doing so, and for the next year or so, we may lose a good player or two.

This league is ALL about coaching. In each case, Smoot, Coles and Pierce, coaches feel like they have replacements. One of the first things Gibbs said after the season is that they would be taking a hard look at ALL their receivers. Read the Walters article, I get the feeling the Skins don't think Coles toe is gonna get better. Pierce? He's a MLB for pete's sake, Williams kicked ass w/out LaVar - He will kick ass without Pierce. Smoot, a tougher pill to swallow, but still there were several articles about Williams not being sold on Smoot. They made a solid offer, clearly within the market - and Smoot rejected it.

It's JG's 2nd offseason - and he doesn't appear to be making the same mistakes he made last year. Hmmmmm, maybe he DOES learn.

But you're right. Gibb's should be fired. A new offense installed and, while we're at it - let's just blow the whole damn team up for the 5th straight year and start from scratch. It has worked so well in the past.[/QUOTE]

Good points JoeRedskin..........

That is exactly what the Doc Walker articles said.....Gibbs was doing things behind the scenes to find "his kind of guys". Joe is getting things setup and trying to undo 13 years of bad managing. I'm sorry we lost Pierce and Smoot, but we shouldn't be fools and overpay either. Last year Williams put in some unknown guys and they did well, so I think we will be okay on defense, let Williams work his magic . Having Arrington back in the lineup should help the defense and Williams can find a replacement for Smoot. Our offense looks better with Rabach at center, a healthy Jansen and we may not have the fastest, but we havew 2 decent WR's.....and could pick up an extra draft pick for Gardner.....so all is not lost.
KEEP THE FAITH!

PSUskinsfan11 03-08-2005 09:24 PM

Re: Absolutely Stunned.
 
Hope our draft is better..........

cpayne5 03-08-2005 09:31 PM

Re: Absolutely Stunned.
 
I'm not all that unhappy that we saved some money by not re-signing Smoot. I think that we have a replacement on the team that will step in and play better (yes, I said it) than Smoot has. Smoot was a great personality to have on the team, and was an above average player. I do not believe, though, that he is irreplaceable in this defense. He had his flaws (how many times did he miss a sack on a corner blitz because he jumped on a pump fake?).

I'll miss him, and Pierce for that matter, but I just don't think the defensive play will drop off considerably because of their departure.

Schneed10 03-08-2005 09:38 PM

Re: Absolutely Stunned.
 
First off, NOBODY should be surprised that we lost Smoot. We all saw the writing on the wall.

That said, Joe Redskin for President. He's right, this team needs smart management. No more overpaying for players. No more winning the offseason. No more installing new offenses. No more integrating new players. No more new defensive coordinators. No more short-sighted planning.

The Skins are being smart with the situation they're in. Not enough people here on the Warpath are focusing on years 2006 and beyond, in my opinion. Everyone is concerned what happens to our cap in 2005, but nobody's talking about how much better our 2006 cap looks now. I'm very excited, because when I look at it now it's telling me that we can actually keep our players and not have to blow up the team like the Titans did.

Bad things about this year:
- Lost Smoot
- Lost Pierce
- Lost Coles

Good things about this year:
- The same D coordinator as last year (hasn't happened in a long ass time).
- Ramsey starting for a full season, instead of for only 7 games.
- A team atmosphere, getting rid of the players who don't want to be here.
- An O-line with stability, in the same scheme as last year (they'll jell faster this year).
- More draft picks than last year.
- Ramsey growing in the offense.
- Healthy Jansen.
- Healthy Lavar.
- Casey Rabach
- David Patten
- Santana Moss
- A pledge by Gibbs to go deep and use the speed he just acquired at WR.

Not being able to keep our free agents was frustrating. But I think when all we ever talk about is offseason moves, we forget the situation the team takes into next season. All those positives are the reasons we're going to be better than we were last year.

Playoffs baby, playoffs.

Mattyk 03-08-2005 09:40 PM

Re: Absolutely Stunned.
 
Let's ask ourselves this very simple question, are the losses of Smoot, Pierce and Coles going to doom our 2005 season?? I'd be willing to bet there is an entire team and coaching staff that would beg to differ.

Pierce wasn't even on our radar before Barrow went down. I loved him last year but let's not forget Marshall filled in and did a very admirable job in Arrington's place, in fact, we had guys filling in left and right on the D and they never missed a beat.

We lost one of the top corners in the league just a year ago in Bailey and the D actually improved after he left. Go figure. Smoot is a nice young corner but he won't be impossible to replace.

As for Coles, he's a better overall WR than Moss, but Moss isn't exactly a piece of crap either. The loss of Coles is a case of addition by subtraction.

The past few offseasons we've been spoiled by all the splashy signings, only to spend all year complaining about how the team throws money around too much and we're doomed to end up in cap hell.

Now the team is showing some financial sensibility and all we hear is how we should have upped the ante on Pierce, we should have upped our offer on Smoot...we can't have it both ways guys.

Much like in Marty's first year here when he cleaned house a bit to get the team back in a solid financial state, Gibbs seems to be taking the same approach. They have a financial plan and they're holding strong and not putting an individual's demands above the needs of the team as a whole.

I know it's been a while since we didn't win an offseason so obviously some people are going to scratch their heads and wonder why we just don't outbid everyone in sight, but hey, welcome to the way the rest of the league operates.

The sky isn't falling guys, everyone around the league is losing valuable members of their teams right now. This isn't a problem exclusive to the Washington Redskins.

jdlea 03-08-2005 09:45 PM

Re: Absolutely Stunned.
 
[QUOTE=Daseal]Smoot - the whole point is I didn't want to "win" in march. I just didn't want to lose anyone!

Rabach was a great signing, Patten I'm not sold on -- we'll see.

Time to start drinking.[/QUOTE]

I agree, man. I don't know wtf we're thinking this offseason. I love the signings we made, but I would have liked to have kept Smoot or at least signed an adequate replacement.

As for the drinking part...I'm not legal yet, but now that I've been accpted to Tulane School of Engineering, I'm sure I'll find time. That's right I'll turn 21 about 3 weeks after I get there. :laughing2


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 04:24 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
This site is not officially affiliated with the Washington Redskins or the NFL.

Page generated in 0.08641 seconds with 8 queries

Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.2.0 RC5

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25