Absolutely Stunned.

Daseal · 03-08-2005, 08:33 PM

I can't believe we let every single one of our decent UFA's escape. Smoot and Pierce were important pieces to our puzzle. I feel Pierce is a lot more replaceable than Smoot, but they were both very good players. Everyone on thewarpath, like always, preached stability. We all thought someone with a level head would be able to keep the spending to a minimum.

Then the Coles situation popped up. I was a bit suprised, but then after stepping back and thinking about it his moves kinda make sense. I was never for a trade of Coles no matter what, but what's ridiculous is us removing our 10.5M signing bonus from the table when Smoot went to the Vikings and trying to lowball him. Sorry, he's worth at least 11M in my mind. Especially when we're going to spend a long season seeing Harris get beat like a rented horse.

I am really starting to feel Gibbs should NOT be President of this team. There's a reason he won in strike years/with great talent scouts by his side. These moves are absolutely miserable. Add 6 Million dollars to Moss's current salary and tell me he's worth that! I don't think any sane person will tell you he is. Not to mention he's going to want his payday next year and chances are he'll walk which means we traded Coles for a one year WR.

Losing Smoot really chaps my ass because it's not like the Vikings gave him an offer that blew him out of the water, we pulled back our offer (which was fair, and would have been worth going into a bidding war with MN with up to 11 - 11.5 M.) Instead we decide to pull back our offer and try to lowball him. I have a feeling this is all Gibbs since Snyder isn't exactly known for lowballing. Especially a fan favorite and team leader in Smoot.

I didn't want anything this offseason, but more importantly I didn't want to lose anything. We got an F in both categories.

Gmanc711 · 03-08-2005, 08:38 PM

This offseason sucks. We signed Rabach and Patten which were two good moves. After that this thing really sucks. I really feel like we took a step back this offseason.

Tahoe Skin · 03-09-2005, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Gmanc711

This offseason sucks. We signed Rabach and Patten which were two good moves. After that this thing really sucks. I really feel like we took a step back this offseason.

Yeah, kinda sucks! I had better hopes. But performance-wise, losing Coles and gaining Moss is a wash. Coles dropped too many passes and didn't have the elusiveness that he used to have. Losing Pierce and Smoot hurts our defense, but I have great faith in GW. Gaining Rabach and Patten helps our offense, but it's the scheme that's hurts us.

SmootSmack · 03-08-2005, 08:43 PM

It's been frustrating, but as most people have said here over the past month let's stop worrying about "winning" in March. Because lately winning in the springtime hasn't provided many positive results in the fall. Maybe our luck will change this year

Yellow31 · 03-08-2005, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by smootsmack

It's been frustrating, but as most people have said here over the past month let's stop worrying about "winning" in March. Because lately winning in the springtime hasn't provided many positive results in the fall. Maybe our luck will change this year

The last couple years we have won in March and sucked during the real season maybe this year we swap??? Man do I hope!!!

Daseal · 03-08-2005, 08:44 PM

Smoot - the whole point is I didn't want to "win" in march. I just didn't want to lose anyone!

Rabach was a great signing, Patten I'm not sold on -- we'll see.

Time to start drinking.

jdlea · 03-08-2005, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Daseal

Smoot - the whole point is I didn't want to "win" in march. I just didn't want to lose anyone!

Rabach was a great signing, Patten I'm not sold on -- we'll see.

Time to start drinking.

I agree, man. I don't know wtf we're thinking this offseason. I love the signings we made, but I would have liked to have kept Smoot or at least signed an adequate replacement.

As for the drinking part...I'm not legal yet, but now that I've been accpted to Tulane School of Engineering, I'm sure I'll find time. That's right I'll turn 21 about 3 weeks after I get there.

jdlea · 03-08-2005, 09:46 PM

In all seriousness, though, college announcements aside. We finished with a losing record with em, I'm sure we can do it without em.

MTK · 03-08-2005, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by jdlea

In all seriousness, though, college announcements aside. We finished with a losing record with em, I'm sure we can do it without em.

Right, it's not like we're a team coming off a Super Bowl win, we're a team that's been mired in mediocrity for the last decade and it's going to take some time, patience and tough decisions to right the ship.

SmootSmack · 03-08-2005, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by jdlea

I agree, man. I don't know wtf we're thinking this offseason. I love the signings we made, but I would have liked to have kept Smoot or at least signed an adequate replacement.

As for the drinking part...I'm not legal yet, but now that I've been accpted to Tulane School of Engineering, I'm sure I'll find time. That's right I'll turn 21 about 3 weeks after I get there.

Congrats on Tulane!

bigm29 · 03-08-2005, 08:56 PM

every other offseason everyone thought we did amazing and we end up sucking during the season
now everyone thinks were having a terrible offseason so maybe we'll do good during the season

my bad...i didnt see that post above

sportscurmudgeon · 03-08-2005, 09:11 PM

Unfortunately, Danny Boy has a bad habit of low-balling his current players. Sometimes it comes back to bite him - and the team - in the ass.

Remember they could have restructured Chirs Samuels in January for several million less as a signing bonus AND with a team option to get out of year 6 of his cotract. But Danny Boy decided to play hardball - translation: lowball him - and when the market ran away from him, he had to raise the bid fast or get nothing in terms of restructuring done with Samuels.

Pierce got more $$$ from NY - not a team known for wild and crazy spending.

They played hardball with Smoot too thinking that he would not command a better deal and would come back to them and they could hammer him some more. Sorry, another FO miscalculation.

PSUskinsfan11 · 03-08-2005, 09:24 PM

Hope our draft is better..........

downtown4life · 03-08-2005, 09:07 PM

The more I think about us losing so called loyal players the more I think about what we are becoming. The patriots a few years back and also now, minus corey dillon, what other big names did they have. How many times did their FO sign big name players and give out ridiculous contracts/signing bonuses, zero. This year Gibbs is focusing on team players that want to win, its looking like the what the patriots have been doing for the past 5 years. It will take time to gel, with Ramsey now the leader with fast, smaller receivers, he will look a lot like brady dumping the ball off on short routes. Also our workhorse portis can run down hill like dillon does for the patriots. The signing of Patten will give Gibbs more of an idea of how the patriots are doing it consistently in the NFL without big names on team. I dont doubt gibbs at all.

JoeRedskin · 03-08-2005, 09:08 PM

No. Wrong. Go to jail, go directly to jail do not pass go.

What everyone else is seeing as a clusterf***, I see as management taking a new (and better) fiscal line. Get rid of players who don't want to be here, take the hit now to increase flexibility, give good solid offers to good players but don't overpay.

One season Daseal, he has had one season. Last year he gets blasted for paying too much for Griffin, Washington and Springs and now for being too frugal. Maybe, perhaps just maybe, the fiscal strategy of the team is changing. In doing so, and for the next year or so, we may lose a good player or two.

This league is ALL about coaching. In each case, Smoot, Coles and Pierce, coaches feel like they have replacements. One of the first things Gibbs said after the season is that they would be taking a hard look at ALL their receivers. Read the Walters article, I get the feeling the Skins don't think Coles toe is gonna get better. Pierce? He's a MLB for pete's sake, Williams kicked ass w/out LaVar - He will kick ass without Pierce. Smoot, a tougher pill to swallow, but still there were several articles about Williams not being sold on Smoot. They made a solid offer, clearly within the market - and Smoot rejected it.

It's JG's 2nd offseason - and he doesn't appear to be making the same mistakes he made last year. Hmmmmm, maybe he DOES learn.

But you're right. Gibb's should be fired. A new offense installed and, while we're at it - let's just blow the whole damn team up for the 5th straight year and start from scratch. It has worked so well in the past.

03-08-2005, 08:33 PM	#1
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 42 Posts: 8,341	Absolutely Stunned. I can't believe we let every single one of our decent UFA's escape. Smoot and Pierce were important pieces to our puzzle. I feel Pierce is a lot more replaceable than Smoot, but they were both very good players. Everyone on thewarpath, like always, preached stability. We all thought someone with a level head would be able to keep the spending to a minimum. Then the Coles situation popped up. I was a bit suprised, but then after stepping back and thinking about it his moves kinda make sense. I was never for a trade of Coles no matter what, but what's ridiculous is us removing our 10.5M signing bonus from the table when Smoot went to the Vikings and trying to lowball him. Sorry, he's worth at least 11M in my mind. Especially when we're going to spend a long season seeing Harris get beat like a rented horse. I am really starting to feel Gibbs should NOT be President of this team. There's a reason he won in strike years/with great talent scouts by his side. These moves are absolutely miserable. Add 6 Million dollars to Moss's current salary and tell me he's worth that! I don't think any sane person will tell you he is. Not to mention he's going to want his payday next year and chances are he'll walk which means we traded Coles for a one year WR. Losing Smoot really chaps my ass because it's not like the Vikings gave him an offer that blew him out of the water, we pulled back our offer (which was fair, and would have been worth going into a bidding war with MN with up to 11 - 11.5 M.) Instead we decide to pull back our offer and try to lowball him. I have a feeling this is all Gibbs since Snyder isn't exactly known for lowballing. Especially a fan favorite and team leader in Smoot. I didn't want anything this offseason, but more importantly I didn't want to lose anything. We got an F in both categories.

03-08-2005, 08:38 PM	#2
Gmanc711 Thank You, Sean. Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Gaithersburg, MD Age: 39 Posts: 7,506	Re: Absolutely Stunned. This offseason sucks. We signed Rabach and Patten which were two good moves. After that this thing really sucks. I really feel like we took a step back this offseason. __________________ #21

03-08-2005, 08:43 PM	#4
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: Absolutely Stunned. It's been frustrating, but as most people have said here over the past month let's stop worrying about "winning" in March. Because lately winning in the springtime hasn't provided many positive results in the fall. Maybe our luck will change this year __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

03-08-2005, 08:44 PM	#6
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 42 Posts: 8,341	Re: Absolutely Stunned. Smoot - the whole point is I didn't want to "win" in march. I just didn't want to lose anyone! Rabach was a great signing, Patten I'm not sold on -- we'll see. Time to start drinking.

03-08-2005, 09:46 PM	#8
jdlea Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, VA Age: 41 Posts: 3,109	Re: Absolutely Stunned. In all seriousness, though, college announcements aside. We finished with a losing record with em, I'm sure we can do it without em.

03-08-2005, 08:56 PM	#11
bigm29 Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Mt. Laurel, NJ Age: 37 Posts: 353	Re: Absolutely Stunned. every other offseason everyone thought we did amazing and we end up sucking during the season now everyone thinks were having a terrible offseason so maybe we'll do good during the season my bad...i didnt see that post above

03-08-2005, 09:11 PM	#12
sportscurmudgeon Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,159	Re: Absolutely Stunned. Unfortunately, Danny Boy has a bad habit of low-balling his current players. Sometimes it comes back to bite him - and the team - in the ass. Remember they could have restructured Chirs Samuels in January for several million less as a signing bonus AND with a team option to get out of year 6 of his cotract. But Danny Boy decided to play hardball - translation: lowball him - and when the market ran away from him, he had to raise the bid fast or get nothing in terms of restructuring done with Samuels. Pierce got more $$$ from NY - not a team known for wild and crazy spending. They played hardball with Smoot too thinking that he would not command a better deal and would come back to them and they could hammer him some more. Sorry, another FO miscalculation. __________________ The Sports Curmudgeon www.sportscurmudgeon.com But don't get me wrong, I love sports...

03-08-2005, 09:24 PM	#13
PSUskinsfan11 Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: the port, PA Age: 40 Posts: 692	Re: Absolutely Stunned. Hope our draft is better..........

03-08-2005, 09:07 PM	#14
downtown4life Camp Scrub Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 25	Re: Absolutely Stunned. The more I think about us losing so called loyal players the more I think about what we are becoming. The patriots a few years back and also now, minus corey dillon, what other big names did they have. How many times did their FO sign big name players and give out ridiculous contracts/signing bonuses, zero. This year Gibbs is focusing on team players that want to win, its looking like the what the patriots have been doing for the past 5 years. It will take time to gel, with Ramsey now the leader with fast, smaller receivers, he will look a lot like brady dumping the ball off on short routes. Also our workhorse portis can run down hill like dillon does for the patriots. The signing of Patten will give Gibbs more of an idea of how the patriots are doing it consistently in the NFL without big names on team. I dont doubt gibbs at all.

03-08-2005, 09:08 PM	#15
JoeRedskin Contains football related knowledge Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Second Star On The Right Age: 62 Posts: 10,401	Re: Absolutely Stunned. No. Wrong. Go to jail, go directly to jail do not pass go. What everyone else is seeing as a clusterf***, I see as management taking a new (and better) fiscal line. Get rid of players who don't want to be here, take the hit now to increase flexibility, give good solid offers to good players but don't overpay. One season Daseal, he has had one season. Last year he gets blasted for paying too much for Griffin, Washington and Springs and now for being too frugal. Maybe, perhaps just maybe, the fiscal strategy of the team is changing. In doing so, and for the next year or so, we may lose a good player or two. This league is ALL about coaching. In each case, Smoot, Coles and Pierce, coaches feel like they have replacements. One of the first things Gibbs said after the season is that they would be taking a hard look at ALL their receivers. Read the Walters article, I get the feeling the Skins don't think Coles toe is gonna get better. Pierce? He's a MLB for pete's sake, Williams kicked ass w/out LaVar - He will kick ass without Pierce. Smoot, a tougher pill to swallow, but still there were several articles about Williams not being sold on Smoot. They made a solid offer, clearly within the market - and Smoot rejected it. It's JG's 2nd offseason - and he doesn't appear to be making the same mistakes he made last year. Hmmmmm, maybe he DOES learn. But you're right. Gibb's should be fired. A new offense installed and, while we're at it - let's just blow the whole damn team up for the 5th straight year and start from scratch. It has worked so well in the past.

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