Reality check on Campbell

marius · 11-01-2006, 09:33 AM

There's been a lot of talk about starting Campbell versus Dallas. As we know, no way is this going to happen. At best he might get a few snaps if the game is lost. Brunell is the starter until the season is over (which could be a couple of games from now) and there is no way that Gibbs will start Campbell until that point.

When things go wrong it is natural for us fans to scream for change but is Campbell more likely to win than Brunell against Dallas? If we are being reasonable we would have to say that in all probability the answer is no at this point. Throwing Campbell in now is basically conceding that the season is over and we are looking to '07 already. While we still have a slim chance of challenging for the playoffs playing Brunell is surely the best option that we have at this point.

If Brunell stinks up the joint against the Cowgirls then scream for his head but until he does the fans have to get behind him. He turned it around last season and could do it again. Let's look to next year when this year is over - at this point it isn't.

skinnyfan · 11-01-2006, 09:41 AM

Why can't we look at adding Campbell as having a positive effect?? May add a spark to the passing game or confidence to a team that has none?? I know its a long stretch to think that would happen, but I'm sure the coaches would make the change in order to add some life to the team. Not concede the season. If they put Campbell in and say well, there goes the season, what message does that send to him?? Campbell not playing tells me he is not ready to play, because if Brunell is our best QB option then the season is already lost.

mheisig · 11-03-2006, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by skinnyfan

Why can't we look at adding Campbell as having a positive effect?? May add a spark to the passing game or confidence to a team that has none?? I know its a long stretch to think that would happen, but I'm sure the coaches would make the change in order to add some life to the team. Not concede the season. If they put Campbell in and say well, there goes the season, what message does that send to him?? Campbell not playing tells me he is not ready to play, because if Brunell is our best QB option then the season is already lost.

I've got a pocket full of dreams I could sell you too.

Campbell is only going to provide a spark if he plays well, and particularly better than Brunell. Clearly the coaches don't see that in him yet.

What's far more likely than "providing a spark" is that you send in a QB who isn't ready for primetime and he takes this team lower than anyone thought we could go. That's way more damaging to morale than Brunell playing conservatively.

That Guy · 11-03-2006, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by mheisig

I've got a pocket full of dreams I could sell you too.

Campbell is only going to provide a spark if he plays well, and particularly better than Brunell. Clearly the coaches don't see that in him yet.

What's far more likely than "providing a spark" is that you send in a QB who isn't ready for primetime and he takes this team lower than anyone thought we could go. That's way more damaging to morale than Brunell playing conservatively.

brunell's led us to 2-5 thusfar. losses are still losses. I'd rather JC gets experience, cause i DO NOT want to see brunell in 2007.

mheisig · 11-03-2006, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by That Guy

brunell's led us to 2-5 thusfar. losses are still losses. I'd rather JC gets experience, cause i DO NOT want to see brunell in 2007.

I'm just trying to look at it from a coaches perspective. Obviously the fans are ready for a change - fans are fickle. Things go south and we declare everyone should be fired and a new team put in place.

You've got to consider that, in general, football players/coaches learn from the Pop Warner days to fight and "never ever ever ever give up." It's a mentality that's ingrained from day one to win at any cost and never give up hope. Right now there is, mathematically speaking, still some hope left.

As hopeless and frustrating as this season feels to fans, technically there's still a chance, and regardless of how remote it is they'll keep fighting with the best they've got (i.e. Brunell) until it's officially over.

At this point it's really about the mindset they've learned over the years and about character, as cheesy as that sounds.

Longtimefan · 11-04-2006, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by mheisig

I've got a pocket full of dreams I could sell you too.

Campbell is only going to provide a spark if he plays well, and particularly better than Brunell. Clearly the coaches don't see that in him yet.

What's far more likely than "providing a spark" is that you send in a QB who isn't ready for primetime and he takes this team lower than anyone thought we could go. That's way more damaging to morale than Brunell playing conservatively.

We are already lower than I thought we would go, so there's no place for us to go now but up. Joe Gibbs's opinion differs greatly from your aclaim, he has maintained on more than one ocasion he believes Campbell can win games for us now. If he's not ready to play, then let that be determined by his play on the field as opposed to one's opinion of his play before even having an opportunity to see him perform.

mheisig · 11-04-2006, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Longtimefan

We are already lower than I thought we would go, so there's no place for us to go now but up. Joe Gibbs's opinion differs greatly from your aclaim, he has maintained on more than one ocasion he believes Campbell can win games for us now. If he's not ready to play, then let that be determined by his play on the field as opposed to one's opinion of his play before even having an opportunity to see him perform.

You're not thinking pessimistically enough if you think this is as low as things can go. Really, stretch your brain and picture some truly horrifying scenarios and you may feel a lot better about where we are.

I'd like to see some sources on your claims about Joe Gibbs' current opinion that Campbell can win games for us now, and in particular that Campbell can win more games than Brunell.

GTripp0012 · 11-04-2006, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by mheisig

You're not thinking pessimistically enough if you think this is as low as things can go. Really, stretch your brain and picture some truly horrifying scenarios and you may feel a lot better about where we are.

I'd like to see some sources on your claims about Joe Gibbs' current opinion that Campbell can win games for us now, and in particular that Campbell can win more games than Brunell.

He's right, we can go a lot lower. Without Brunell, this is a 1-6 team at best. 2-5 is quite disappointing, but changes for the sake of changes are only going to make us worse as a football team. I think we have to fix a lot of issues before we stuff the square peg that is Jason Campbell into the round hole that is our football team.

Longtimefan · 11-05-2006, 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by mheisig

You're not thinking pessimistically enough if you think this is as low as things can go. Really, stretch your brain and picture some truly horrifying scenarios and you may feel a lot better about where we are.

I'd like to see some sources on your claims about Joe Gibbs' current opinion that Campbell can win games for us now, and in particular that Campbell can win more games than Brunell.

I do believe what I said was we are already lower than I thought we would be at this point in the season based on the expectations we all had going in. I don't think there are many here who though we would be 2-5 after seven games. You're correct when you say I'm not thinking pessimistically enough because pessimism is not a point of contention. Had you taken the liberty to watch the Joe Gibbs show two weeks ago, George Michael asked Joe Gibbs about Campbell and the prospect of his playing at some point this season. Gibbs replied, and I [/QUOTE] " I talk to him all the time about it, we think the world of Jason and feel he can win games for us now" [UNQUOTE]. I am unable to provide you with a link because the quote was from a TV broadcast but I'm sure there are other witnesses amoung us. He, nor I said Campbell can/will win more games than Brunell, but many of us are of the opinion that he can't do much worse. What was horrifying was the 2-14 season we suffered the year Gibbs retired, that was the worst since the sixteen game season was introduced. Believe me I've witnessed far worse than what we see now, before Vince Lombardi, George Allen, or Joe Gibbs. This team is good compared to some I've witnessed being here through the years.

SouperMeister · 11-01-2006, 09:46 AM

I'll concede that Brunell gives the team a better chance of winning in the short term, and we know where Gibbs stands on that. Of greater interest - will Jason Campbell be promoted to #2 for the Dallas game? He's taken most of the 1st team snaps with Brunell nursing sore ribs. This will probably be the week, so Campbell will now be one big hit away from inheriting the job. And who knows, perhaps given the opportunity, he would energize the offense as Jay Schroeder did when he replaced Theismann. Even if he doesn't take a snap in year two, Campbell has to be given a real opportunity to compete for the job next pre-season.

redskins5044 · 11-01-2006, 09:48 AM

if moss doenst play this week all of us fans better get used to the five yard dump passes to the RB's this week more than we have already seen. with no moss that means we wont even seen a brunnell lame duck ball that moss has to go get. on offense is to easy to defend if portis doenst get off to a good first half. even if he does when it comes down to those third and 8 plays brunell will throw short of the first and we will punt. our defense is a whole other issue. we cant tackle on run plays on first and second down which sets up short third down plays for them. when we down have them in a third and long we almost always find a way to give them the first down. this season is done we went 2-5 with brunell as our leader. i dont want to hear its not all his fault because i know its not. but how many times has he had time in the pocket and checked down to rb. this is a great strategy when u have a good defense and are leading in games but when our defense sucks and are behind alot. take a chance this is a risk and reward playing style but we are losing make a play or try for the big throw. why doenst he because he has a noddle of a arm and his done as starter.

marius · 11-01-2006, 09:49 AM

While the coaches are hardly likely to put him in and say the season is over I believe that they will only do so when the season is over. They could put Campbell in and he may add a spark but surely Brunell is more likely to get a win that Campbell? Brunell, for all his faults has proven that he can win in this league. It seems inevitable that we won't be going to the playoffs so let's wait and throw Campbell in when that happens. In the meantime let's back Brunell to get it done even though it is a long shot.

You've got to put in who you think will get the job done and the bottom line is that Brunell is that man at the moment (God help us!)

Daseal · 11-01-2006, 09:51 AM

The question should no longer be who gives us the best chance to win, but it should be who gives us less of a chance at losing. As we know, Brunell hasn't done that. So why not try the new guy who might have something before the season is completely over (though I already think it's over.)

BrunellMVP? · 11-01-2006, 09:57 AM

i would agree with you re: brunell...start him v dallas, although i clearly think he is washed up, but i think you need to consider the fact that benching him is not just a result of his play (which has been bad), but also a function of the performance of the rest of the team. while he is a large part of the reason, brunell is not soley reponsible for the 2-5 record (horrible D?!?!?!). Therefore, I would argue that objectively reviewing the season, and our prospects moving forward, the season is, in essence, over (barring a 7-2 run). We need to start grooming JC, today... i think he missed a great opportunity with the bye week.
on a brighter note, looking around the NFL, there are a lot of young QBs out there...who knows, perhaps campbell will find early sucess, and lead us on that 7-2 run! (ever the optimist)

marius · 11-01-2006, 09:58 AM

The question should no longer be who gives us the best chance to win, but it should be who gives us less of a chance at losing.

Isn't that the same thing?

11-01-2006, 09:33 AM	#1
marius Special Teams Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 136	Reality check on Campbell There's been a lot of talk about starting Campbell versus Dallas. As we know, no way is this going to happen. At best he might get a few snaps if the game is lost. Brunell is the starter until the season is over (which could be a couple of games from now) and there is no way that Gibbs will start Campbell until that point. When things go wrong it is natural for us fans to scream for change but is Campbell more likely to win than Brunell against Dallas? If we are being reasonable we would have to say that in all probability the answer is no at this point. Throwing Campbell in now is basically conceding that the season is over and we are looking to '07 already. While we still have a slim chance of challenging for the playoffs playing Brunell is surely the best option that we have at this point. If Brunell stinks up the joint against the Cowgirls then scream for his head but until he does the fans have to get behind him. He turned it around last season and could do it again. Let's look to next year when this year is over - at this point it isn't.

11-01-2006, 09:46 AM	#10
SouperMeister Playmaker Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Leesburg, VA Age: 61 Posts: 3,419	Re: Reality check on Campbell I'll concede that Brunell gives the team a better chance of winning in the short term, and we know where Gibbs stands on that. Of greater interest - will Jason Campbell be promoted to #2 for the Dallas game? He's taken most of the 1st team snaps with Brunell nursing sore ribs. This will probably be the week, so Campbell will now be one big hit away from inheriting the job. And who knows, perhaps given the opportunity, he would energize the offense as Jay Schroeder did when he replaced Theismann. Even if he doesn't take a snap in year two, Campbell has to be given a real opportunity to compete for the job next pre-season.

11-01-2006, 09:48 AM	#11
redskins5044 Playmaker Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Schertz, Tx Age: 46 Posts: 3,224	Re: Reality check on Campbell if moss doenst play this week all of us fans better get used to the five yard dump passes to the RB's this week more than we have already seen. with no moss that means we wont even seen a brunnell lame duck ball that moss has to go get. on offense is to easy to defend if portis doenst get off to a good first half. even if he does when it comes down to those third and 8 plays brunell will throw short of the first and we will punt. our defense is a whole other issue. we cant tackle on run plays on first and second down which sets up short third down plays for them. when we down have them in a third and long we almost always find a way to give them the first down. this season is done we went 2-5 with brunell as our leader. i dont want to hear its not all his fault because i know its not. but how many times has he had time in the pocket and checked down to rb. this is a great strategy when u have a good defense and are leading in games but when our defense sucks and are behind alot. take a chance this is a risk and reward playing style but we are losing make a play or try for the big throw. why doenst he because he has a noddle of a arm and his done as starter.

11-01-2006, 09:49 AM	#12
marius Special Teams Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 136	Re: Reality check on Campbell While the coaches are hardly likely to put him in and say the season is over I believe that they will only do so when the season is over. They could put Campbell in and he may add a spark but surely Brunell is more likely to get a win that Campbell? Brunell, for all his faults has proven that he can win in this league. It seems inevitable that we won't be going to the playoffs so let's wait and throw Campbell in when that happens. In the meantime let's back Brunell to get it done even though it is a long shot. You've got to put in who you think will get the job done and the bottom line is that Brunell is that man at the moment (God help us!)

11-01-2006, 09:51 AM	#13
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 42 Posts: 8,341	Re: Reality check on Campbell The question should no longer be who gives us the best chance to win, but it should be who gives us less of a chance at losing. As we know, Brunell hasn't done that. So why not try the new guy who might have something before the season is completely over (though I already think it's over.) __________________ Best. Player. Available.

11-01-2006, 09:41 AM	#2
skinnyfan Special Teams Join Date: May 2005 Age: 48 Posts: 111	Re: Reality check on Campbell Why can't we look at adding Campbell as having a positive effect?? May add a spark to the passing game or confidence to a team that has none?? I know its a long stretch to think that would happen, but I'm sure the coaches would make the change in order to add some life to the team. Not concede the season. If they put Campbell in and say well, there goes the season, what message does that send to him?? Campbell not playing tells me he is not ready to play, because if Brunell is our best QB option then the season is already lost.

11-01-2006, 09:57 AM	#14
BrunellMVP? Impact Rookie Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 726	Re: Reality check on Campbell i would agree with you re: brunell...start him v dallas, although i clearly think he is washed up, but i think you need to consider the fact that benching him is not just a result of his play (which has been bad), but also a function of the performance of the rest of the team. while he is a large part of the reason, brunell is not soley reponsible for the 2-5 record (horrible D?!?!?!). Therefore, I would argue that objectively reviewing the season, and our prospects moving forward, the season is, in essence, over (barring a 7-2 run). We need to start grooming JC, today... i think he missed a great opportunity with the bye week. on a brighter note, looking around the NFL, there are a lot of young QBs out there...who knows, perhaps campbell will find early sucess, and lead us on that 7-2 run! (ever the optimist) __________________ in writing these daily letters and trying to make them interesting it is always possible that some sentiment may occur which has not received the severe and deliberate scrutiny and reconsideration which should attach to a State Paper. - Churchill

11-01-2006, 09:58 AM	#15
marius Special Teams Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 136	Re: Reality check on Campbell The question should no longer be who gives us the best chance to win, but it should be who gives us less of a chance at losing. Isn't that the same thing?

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