Greg Blache Defensive Scheme!!

[Sean"Big Hurt"Taylor]

I believe that if we do not get a constant pass rush with Haynesworth in the middle and Orakpo I believe that Blache will be fired and that Aggressive Jerry Gray would take over. Jim Zorn has already stated that we need a big pass rush this season, which is probably the main reason we paid Haynesworth all that money. I'm tired of stopping the run first then pass rush. We need to stop the run on the way to the quarterback. I believe that Blache is holding the d-line back from making a lot of plays. It was like our defense was a bend but don't break defense which helped us to 4th overall defense which I believe is good but not a dominating one. I believe that this defense could be up there with the Pittsburghs, Baltimores and Titans. You win with Championship Defense. If the offense improves and we still do not get to the quarterback then we will be looking at 8-8 again folks. What do you guys think about Blache's scheme? Should he be fired if no improvements in the sack department?

[jsarno]

I could be wrong, but I am guessing it was lack of true talent that prevented him from letting the players go. What's the point of sending 8 players if none of them touch the QB, so he kept them in pass coverage. He did what he needed to to get by. The fact that we were 4th in defense shows a lot about what Blache did with less than stellar talent up front.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by jsarno

I could be wrong, but I am guessing it was lack of true talent that prevented him from letting the players go. What's the point of sending 8 players if none of them touch the QB, so he kept them in pass coverage. He did what he needed to to get by. The fact that we were 4th in defense shows a lot about what Blache did with less than stellar talent up front.

I also could be wrong, GTripp can shed some light, but it was the opposite, we were often bringing blitzes, leaving the DB's by themselves. This goes to the lack of turnovers more than anything. If the DB knows he's alone, like ours often were, you can't be as aggressive to the ball because you have to prevent the big play. If our line is able to get pressure by themselves, or an odd lb blitzing, it should especially help our third and long Defense. Regardless, I don't think any coach is more on the hot seat than Zorn, and GB is as likely to retire as he is to be fired.

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by jsarno

I could be wrong, but I am guessing it was lack of true talent that prevented him from letting the players go. What's the point of sending 8 players if none of them touch the QB, so he kept them in pass coverage. He did what he needed to to get by. The fact that we were 4th in defense shows a lot about what Blache did with less than stellar talent up front.

Blache played to our defensive strength, which was clearly the range and athletic ability of our DBs. With Haynesworth and Orakpo, we will get to the QB much more. Their presence all but guarantee one-on-one matchups for Andre Carter and Cornelius Griffin. Add in Montgomery, Golston, Daniels, and Alexander, and we have a nice deep rotation on the D-line. I predict that Blache will use much the same scheme at the beginning of next season to see if we can hit the QB consistently while rushing four.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

Blache played to our defensive strength, which was clearly the range and athletic ability of our DBs. With Haynesworth and Orakpo, we will get to the QB much more. Their presence all but guarantee one-on-one matchups for Andre Carter and Cornelius Griffin. Add in Montgomery, Golston, Daniels, and Alexander, and we have a nice deep rotation on the D-line. I predict that Blache will use much the same scheme at the beginning of next season to see if we can hit the QB consistently while rushing four.

Please explain how leading the NFL in 6+ man blitzes is playing to the strengths of the secondary.

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Please explain how leading the NFL in 6+ man blitzes is playing to the strengths of the secondary.

That was exactly my point - Blache had enough trust that our DBs could hold the fort while throwing multiple blitzes due to our weaker front 7. Wouldn't that be the definition of playing to the strength of our DBs? As I mentioned, I would expect to see far fewer blitzes out of the gate this season, and a far more balanced defense, especially if our front 4 applies consistent pressure.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

That was exactly my point - Blache had enough trust that our DBs could hold the fort while throwing multiple blitzes due to our weaker front 7. Wouldn't that be the definition of playing to the strength of our DBs? As I mentioned, I would expect to see far fewer blitzes out of the gate this season, and a far more balanced defense, especially if our front 4 applies consistent pressure.

It's a fair point, if you believe that simplifying the game is playing to the strength of the defensive backfield. I see it more as taking the game out of their hands and putting it in the offenses' blitz recognition ability. I always thought playing to the strength of your secondary means rushing four and asking them to make sure all the passing lanes are shut down.

Which is what I hope to see more of this year with Haynesworth, but I'm legitimately worried that Blache will fall into old habits.

[Sean"Big Hurt"Taylor]

If you look at the blitzes that we did do we sent people right up the gut. He needs to let the d-line to get pressure and then leave the back seven back to prevent passes. Just watch some of the Titans games and you will see what I mean. Their scheme also wanted to stop the run first but they did it on the way to the quarterback. I believe that we have some of the personnel that they have but their d-line is much better.

[GMScud]

I can't wait until GTripp gets his hands on this thread.

[Son Of Man]

Originally Posted by Sean"Big Hurt"Taylor

If you look at the blitzes that we did do we sent people right up the gut. He needs to let the d-line to get pressure and then leave the back seven back to prevent passes. Just watch some of the Titans games and you will see what I mean. Their scheme also wanted to stop the run first but they did it on the way to the quarterback. I believe that we have some of the personnel that they have but their d-line is much better.

Only teams with dominating D-Lines can get away with not blitzing. I believe the Titans had a certain Mr. Haynesworth on their squad last year thus enabling them to get consistent pressure by collapsing the pocket. Blache only had one worthy pass rusher, Carter, and a bunch of role players (I am not including Jason Taylor on purpose). He tried to utilize safety blitzes, zone blitzes, corner blitzes, LB blitzes, etc. Ultimatley, a coach is only as good as his talent can perform/execute. Besides, our pass rush was pedestrian before Blache took over. Hell, it's sucked for almost a decade and a half except for a couple good Lavar years!

[Paintrain]

If we have an 8-8 year and the defense doesn't make significant strides in getting to the QB and turnovers then it won't just be Blache looking for work, it may be the entire staff. Assuming all goes well Gray may have another DC position offered to them and I recall the front office and Gibbs being really high on Olavadatti as a future DC.

[skins89moss]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

If we have an 8-8 year and the defense doesn't make significant strides in getting to the QB and turnovers then it won't just be Blache looking for work, it may be the entire staff. Assuming all goes well Gray may have another DC position offered to them and I recall the front office and Gibbs being really high on Olavadatti as a future DC.

Well if we go 8-8 and like your saying they all may get fired then our future is dark. We then have new coaches with different schemes. They would want their personnel for their system. This would set us back even more. As always the Redskins looking to replace the coach or QB = No Super Bowl.

[Hog1]

Will it not be sweet when we can pressure the QB with only our D-lineman??????
I cannot imagine............

[Zerohero]

Originally Posted by Hog1

Will it not be sweet when we can pressure the QB with only our D-lineman??????
I cannot imagine............

That's crazy talk, but just so crazy it might work.

[53Fan]

Well if we can't get to the QB now, it's scheme alright. Blache sent a lot of people last year to no avail. From listening to some of the things he's said in the past, it sounded like he thought sacks were over-rated, which I found confusing since we blitzed so much. If he isn't willing to adjust his scheme to use our players talent, there is no use in acquiring these players. This is one of the reasons I would like to see Orakpo at DE most of the time. Sure you want him on the field, but doing what he does best. If we don't get sacks this year, it's squarely on Blache's shoulders. Getting pressure on the QB only makes the CB's better. It seems like I remember him saying at one time, the problem was the corners not covering long enough for the d-line to get to the QB. That sounds pretty strange to me. Especially with the CB's we have. He puts a lot of pressure on the corners and not enough on the d-line if you ask me. And I guess you did or I wouldn't be replying to this.