Troy Vincent available soon....why not?

paulskinsfan · 09-15-2006, 09:06 AM

Reports are that Troy Vincent will be healthy soon. We need a decent safety, considering the injury to Prioleau and the fact that Archuletta gets burnt like a dime bag a at a Dead Show. I think we should get him if we have the cap space, maybe cut Hall and sign an average kicker which would be an upgrade, to free up some room. I even liked the Cowboys backup kicker better than Hall, he missed a field goal but at least his kickoffs all went deep into the endzone.

MTK · 09-15-2006, 09:08 AM

Huh?

The Bills put him on IR

AllSports' NFL News - Bills place S Vincent on IR

paulskinsfan · 09-15-2006, 09:09 AM

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LEVY SCREWED THE POOCH ON VINCENT

We've gotten some more information regarding the manner in which Bills safety Troy Vincent landed on IR. And the manner in which the situation was handled by the team convinces us that G.M. Marv Levy has little or no skill when it comes to the complexities of managing an NFL roster.

For starters, it turns out that there really is a "minor" Injured Reserve. It's a procedure used in lieu of an injury settlement, pursuant to which the player is added to IR but must be released when healthy.

When a player is on "major" IR, he's done for the year and gets paid his normal salary.

But in Vincent's case, the end result is the same -- the Bills will owe him his entire salary for 2006. Why? Because Vincent is a vested veteran entitled to take the balance of his $2.6 million salary as termination pay.

And once he's healthy, Vincent can sign with another team and receive wages on top of the $2.6 million base salary he'll get from the Bills.

In hindsight (or if Levy had applied any foresight), the Bills would have released Vincent prior to the start of the regular season. He then could have been re-signed after the first game, and his full salary would not have been guaranteed.

So while Levy might have been a very good coach, running the team is a much different endeavor. In this specific case, Levy's failure to understand the rules has forced his boss to pay $2.6 million to a guy who was available for only one game.

Meanwhile, we're hearing that the injury really isn't very significant, and that Vincent could be healthy soon. So when he's healthy (and then released), Vincent will be able to sign with any other team in the league.

Technically, Vincent would have to clear waivers if he's released after the trading deadline. But it's unlikely that anyone else would claim his contract when he can be signed the next day for a lower contract.

So look for Vincent to be playing for another team at some point this year, even though he'll be receiving the bulk of his compensation from the Buffalo Bills.

MTK · 09-15-2006, 09:14 AM

$2.6M base salary sounds a little steep to me.

vaoutlaws2006 · 09-15-2006, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

$2.6M base salary sounds a little steep to me.

just a little? another over priced player thats all we need. we need to stay far far away from vincent

paulskinsfan · 09-15-2006, 09:22 AM

That would be if we claimed him off waivers, but I bet we could get him cheaper.

MTK · 09-15-2006, 09:23 AM

We have about $3M of available room right now. I doubt we would want to use most of it on an over the hill and injured player.

vaoutlaws2006 · 09-15-2006, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

We have about $3M of available room right now. I doubt we would want to use most of it on an over the hill and injured player.

i couldnt have said it better. We need to stay away from that. Lets hold onto that $3 million in cap room and use it when we really need it.

paulskinsfan · 09-15-2006, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

We have about $3M of available room right now. I doubt we would want to use most of it on an over the hill and injured player.

Yeah, like Mark Brunnell. Williams defense relies on safeties and corners, without them his defense fails. We have one safety that can cover people, one.

MTK · 09-15-2006, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by paulskinsfan

Yeah, like Mark Brunnell. Williams defense relies on safeties and corners, without them his defense fails. We have one safety that can cover people, one.

What does Brunell have to do with this??

He's already on the roster and his salary is accounted for.

Mc2guy · 09-15-2006, 11:13 AM

What I believe most of you are missing is that when he clears waivers, he is a FA, which means he can sign with anyone for the best deal he can get, not the $2.6M he will ALREADY BE GETTING from the Bills. There is only a $2.6M cap hit if someone claims him off waivers, and then it isn't $2.6, it's whatever the prorated remaining salary is at that time. He won't be picked up on waivers.

Assuming he's healthy by week 6, my bet is that he could be had for a $600k signing bonus and vet min for the remaining 10 games, which would be about $500k for the remainder of the year or $1.1M total cap hit for the skins. The guy is an experienced pro and we have a major deficit in the secondary positions currently. If he's healthy we'd be foolish not to at least consider it.

dblanch66 · 09-15-2006, 11:24 AM

why not just play the guys that we drafted? Doughty has to learn sometime. Why not see if our investment pays off? Troy Vincent???? uhhhh....no.

paulskinsfan · 09-15-2006, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by dblanch66

why not just play the guys that we drafted? Doughty has to learn sometime. Why not see if our investment pays off? Troy Vincent???? uhhhh....no.

Uhhhh, probably because we cant draft worth a crap after the third round and Douhty is what, a 6th round selection?

Longtimefan · 10-13-2006, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by dblanch66

why not just play the guys that we drafted? Doughty has to learn sometime. Why not see if our investment pays off? Troy Vincent???? uhhhh....no.

I agree, no more old injured players. That's one of our problems now, we're experiencing injuries all over the place and we certainly do not need to bring in any more injuries. Plus this guy would have to learn a new system at this point in the season, and by the time he learned how to play in it the season will be over. We 've got guys here now who have been trying to learn the system since TC and haven't mastered it yet. I just don't possibly see what an impact this guy could make that would be a sufficient upgrade, therefore I pass.

paulskinsfan · 09-15-2006, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

We have about $3M of available room right now. I doubt we would want to use most of it on an over the hill and injured player.

We sign oft injured players all the ime who are over the hill and you're always fine with it, why not try Vincent? Brunnell was oft injured and over the hill when we signed him, same for Barrow. I really don't think Vincent is such a reach here.

09-15-2006, 09:06 AM	#1
paulskinsfan Registered User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: West VA Posts: 726	Troy Vincent available soon....why not? Reports are that Troy Vincent will be healthy soon. We need a decent safety, considering the injury to Prioleau and the fact that Archuletta gets burnt like a dime bag a at a Dead Show. I think we should get him if we have the cap space, maybe cut Hall and sign an average kicker which would be an upgrade, to free up some room. I even liked the Cowboys backup kicker better than Hall, he missed a field goal but at least his kickoffs all went deep into the endzone.

09-15-2006, 09:08 AM	#2
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,832	Re: Troy Vincent available soon....why not? Huh? The Bills put him on IR AllSports' NFL News - Bills place S Vincent on IR __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

09-15-2006, 09:09 AM	#3
paulskinsfan Registered User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: West VA Posts: 726	Re: Troy Vincent available soon....why not? ProFootballTalk.com -- The Best Pro Football Scoop on the Internet LEVY SCREWED THE POOCH ON VINCENT We've gotten some more information regarding the manner in which Bills safety Troy Vincent landed on IR. And the manner in which the situation was handled by the team convinces us that G.M. Marv Levy has little or no skill when it comes to the complexities of managing an NFL roster. For starters, it turns out that there really is a "minor" Injured Reserve. It's a procedure used in lieu of an injury settlement, pursuant to which the player is added to IR but must be released when healthy. When a player is on "major" IR, he's done for the year and gets paid his normal salary. But in Vincent's case, the end result is the same -- the Bills will owe him his entire salary for 2006. Why? Because Vincent is a vested veteran entitled to take the balance of his $2.6 million salary as termination pay. And once he's healthy, Vincent can sign with another team and receive wages on top of the $2.6 million base salary he'll get from the Bills. In hindsight (or if Levy had applied any foresight), the Bills would have released Vincent prior to the start of the regular season. He then could have been re-signed after the first game, and his full salary would not have been guaranteed. So while Levy might have been a very good coach, running the team is a much different endeavor. In this specific case, Levy's failure to understand the rules has forced his boss to pay $2.6 million to a guy who was available for only one game. Meanwhile, we're hearing that the injury really isn't very significant, and that Vincent could be healthy soon. So when he's healthy (and then released), Vincent will be able to sign with any other team in the league. Technically, Vincent would have to clear waivers if he's released after the trading deadline. But it's unlikely that anyone else would claim his contract when he can be signed the next day for a lower contract. So look for Vincent to be playing for another team at some point this year, even though he'll be receiving the bulk of his compensation from the Buffalo Bills.

09-15-2006, 09:14 AM	#4
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09-15-2006, 09:22 AM	#6
paulskinsfan Registered User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: West VA Posts: 726	Re: Troy Vincent available soon....why not? That would be if we claimed him off waivers, but I bet we could get him cheaper.

09-15-2006, 09:23 AM	#7
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,832	Re: Troy Vincent available soon....why not? We have about $3M of available room right now. I doubt we would want to use most of it on an over the hill and injured player. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

09-15-2006, 11:13 AM	#11
Mc2guy Special Teams Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Burke, VA Age: 48 Posts: 287	Re: Troy Vincent available soon....why not? What I believe most of you are missing is that when he clears waivers, he is a FA, which means he can sign with anyone for the best deal he can get, not the $2.6M he will ALREADY BE GETTING from the Bills. There is only a $2.6M cap hit if someone claims him off waivers, and then it isn't $2.6, it's whatever the prorated remaining salary is at that time. He won't be picked up on waivers. Assuming he's healthy by week 6, my bet is that he could be had for a $600k signing bonus and vet min for the remaining 10 games, which would be about $500k for the remainder of the year or $1.1M total cap hit for the skins. The guy is an experienced pro and we have a major deficit in the secondary positions currently. If he's healthy we'd be foolish not to at least consider it.

09-15-2006, 11:24 AM	#12
dblanch66 The Starter Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Phoenix, AZ Age: 59 Posts: 1,176	Re: Troy Vincent available soon....why not? why not just play the guys that we drafted? Doughty has to learn sometime. Why not see if our investment pays off? Troy Vincent???? uhhhh....no.

Troy Vincent available soon....why not?

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