Who's back? Who's not?

[Smurf85]

You guys should check this out it pretty much breaks down our team.Its a good read and a good article.


Who's back? Who's not? Redskins have lots of offseason questions - NFL - Yahoo! Sports

[skinsguy]

I think it does pretty much sum us up pretty well. I will say about Jason Campbell, I think he has played pretty good overall and at the point, he has looked more like the answer than anybody else we have had a QB --- that is coming from a hardcore Brunell supporter like myself.

I don't believe Ade Jimoh is someone you want to cut loose, but I think he is a career special teams guy! He's golden on Special teams, but sucks big time at corner. Maybe he might develop into a decent safety, but if Shawn Springs is healthy next season, then we either keep him at CB, or move HIM to safety. I don't believe Carlos Rogers is someone we need to get rid of, I still have some faith in him, but he's never going to be our #1 guy! I think we need to look at the draft for a CB.

We should DEFINITELY start Rocky next season at weakside LB, and add some depth to our defensive line.

[riggoraider]

Very nice article and to the point, I especially hope that people read the comment about the receiver position. I have been stressing the same point and have been getting blasted and basically got thrown off of extremeskins for making the same comments. For some reason people think that we are loaded at that position when actually it is one of our weakest.

The comments about Campbell was also on point although he may improve over the off-season he is definitely in need of some work.The Portis/Betts combination is going to win us some games but a passing game to go along with the running game will get us to the playoffs even if the defense is not totally fixed over the off-season because sustained drives willl keep them off the field.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by riggoraider

Very nice article and to the point, I especially hope that people read the comment about the receiver position. I have been stressing the same point and have been getting blasted and basically got thrown off of extremeskins for making the same comments. For some reason people think that we are loaded at that position when actually it is one of our weakest.

The comments about Campbell was also on point although he may improve over the off-season he is definitely in need of some work.The Portis/Betts combination is going to win us some games but a passing game to go along with the running game will get us to the playoffs even if the defense is not totally fixed over the off-season because sustained drives willl keep them off the field.

I agree w/the article's assessment of Loyd, but ARE has played well. JC has missed him on a no. of occassions.
Whether they're playing well or not, the fact is we have too much $ & cap space tied up in wr's. Someone on here even said that we would take a sizable cap hit if we cut Patten. Patten could still contribute & James Thrash has outplayed Loyd when given the chance. Bottom line, I don't see any way that we sign another wr. Maybe Mike Espy can crack the roster though.

[riggoraider]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

I agree w/the article's assessment of Loyd, but ARE has played well. JC has missed him on a no. of occassions.
Whether they're playing well or not, the fact is we have too much $ & cap space tied up in wr's. Someone on here even said that we would take a sizable cap hit if we cut Patten. Patten could still contribute & James Thrash has outplayed Loyd when given the chance. Bottom line, I don't see any way that we sign another wr. Maybe Mike Espy can crack the roster though.

ARE has not played up to the level of a #2 receiver. The Steelers did not even have him as there #2. I think that we brought him in to be a 3 and a punt returner but with Lloyd playing the way that he has played we had to promote him to 2.

The way that the NFL wheels and deals I am sure that there is a way to get another WR and get rid of a couple.The article stated that there will probably be a change there and Mike Espy certainly is not the answer. Sometimes you just have to eat some losses and this is probably one of those times. The front office made a HUGE mistake in their thinking last year and ESPN was talking about from day one of that deal. ARE is not a pure receiver and neither him nor Lloyd never put up the numbers to warrant those contracts.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by riggoraider

ARE has not played up to the level of a #2 receiver. The Steelers did not even have him as there #2. I think that we brought him in to be a 3 and a punt returner but with Lloyd playing the way that he has played we had to promote him to 2.

The way that the NFL wheels and deals I am sure that there is a way to get another WR and get rid of a couple.The article stated that there will probably be a change there and Mike Espy certainly is not the answer. Sometimes you just have to eat some losses and this is probably one of those times. The front office made a HUGE mistake in their thinking last year and ESPN was talking about from day one of that deal. ARE is not a pure receiver and neither him nor Lloyd never put up the numbers to warrant those contracts.

I believe they did have him as their #2 once Burress left. He's made plays here, whether he's a 2 or 3. He doesn't get a lot of separation, but he catches the ball in traffic & we know he can run. I think we'll see him catch a lot more as JC improves, their timing has been off at times. On the other hand, they have hooked up on some big plays.
I'll agree that the contracts for ARE & Loyd were too big, especially for Loyd. I just don't see us being able to address reciever given the other needs we have & that we have 4 guys counting a substantial amount on the cap whether we keep them or not.

[riggoraider]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

I believe they did have him as their #2 once Burress left. He's made plays here, whether he's a 2 or 3. He doesn't get a lot of separation, but he catches the ball in traffic & we know he can run. I think we'll see him catch a lot more as JC improves, their timing has been off at times. On the other hand, they have hooked up on some big plays.
I'll agree that the contracts for ARE & Loyd were too big, especially for Loyd. I just don't see us being able to address reciever given the other needs we have & that we have 4 guys counting a substantial amount on the cap whether we keep them or not.

He was never a #2 at Pittsburgh and I am sorry but whether you can see it or not I can gaurantee you that there will be a change in our receivers next year. There is no way that anyone in there right mind will keep something together that is just not working. I mean it is just too simple to not understand that you can not play winning NFL football when all of your receivers are too small and can't catch passes across the middle because they are in fear of getting killed if they did. At least one of your receivers has to be used for the short passing game....NOOOOO not Cooley....COOLEY IS NOT A RECEIVER!!!!

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

I believe they did have him as their #2 once Burress left. He's made plays here, whether he's a 2 or 3. He doesn't get a lot of separation, but he catches the ball in traffic & we know he can run. I think we'll see him catch a lot more as JC improves, their timing has been off at times. On the other hand, they have hooked up on some big plays.
I'll agree that the contracts for ARE & Loyd were too big, especially for Loyd. I just don't see us being able to address reciever given the other needs we have & that we have 4 guys counting a substantial amount on the cap whether we keep them or not.

Well, remember that in KC, Al Saunders' WR corps consisted of Eddie Kennison, Samie Parker, and Dante Hall. So we really don't need to touch our WRs this offseason. Didn't need to put as much attention as we did into them last year, but we can't look back now.

There is no excuse for dealing picks for relatively inferior talent such as Duckett and Lloyd. Just sign guys on the waiver wire after they get cut by their teams. These moves, IMO, were way moer inexcusable than Archuleta because everybody in the league knows that Duckett can't run through a hole unless it huge, and recievers like Lloyd are a dime a dozen and im sure anyone would have signed for the money we gave Brandon. Archuleta at least was signed following a great 2005 campaign, so we had reason to believe that he maight be able to continue his success. He couldn't, but that signing even in hindsight wasn't inexcusable.

I think if we were to cut Arch post June 1, we would really be creating a horrible cap situation for 2008. Cutting Lloyd as this article suggests would make that situation far worse, so I don't think thats an option.

[Smurf85]

Yeah i pretty much agree with the whole article.It just sucks knowing we still have so many holes.They should have been fixed last year.To bad our front office f**ked everything up again.I hope they do it right this time.

[mooby]

I pray that we won't go out and spend shitloads of money in free agency again. I would like to see Nate Clements here, but not for a huge contract that gives him more than he's worth. I don't even know what we are gonna do with our defense, it has a lot of holes that we can't fix in one year.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by mooby

I pray that we won't go out and spend shitloads of money in free agency again. I would like to see Nate Clements here, but not for a huge contract that gives him more than he's worth. I don't even know what we are gonna do with our defense, it has a lot of holes that we can't fix in one year.

They fixed it in one year after 2003.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Grim21Reaper

They fixed it in one year after 2003.

And how did that work out for us? Is our defense amongst the elite this year? Hell, is our defense even amongst the good this year?

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by mooby

And how did that work out for us? Is our defense amongst the elite this year? Hell, is our defense even amongst the good this year?

In 2004 it worked very well and yes the defense was elite. The point was that it can be done.

[dmek25]

Originally Posted by Grim21Reaper

They fixed it in one year after 2003.

as much as it pains me, i agree. i think with some tinkering, this defense can be very good again. i think marshall is the key. can he go back to 2005 form, or was he just playing over his head? and bringing clements here is the move i would make in free agency

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by dmek25

as much as it pains me, i agree. i think with some tinkering, this defense can be very good again. i think marshall is the key. can he go back to 2005 form, or was he just playing over his head? and bringing clements here is the move i would make in free agency

Marshall did an admirable job in the middle in 05, but he's a smaller outside linebacker playing out of position. No reason we shouldn't address the middle through free agency and let Lemar start the season on the weakside until Rocky is outplaying him. Worst case scenario, we get solid depth at 3 positions with just one signing.

To fix the defense in one season, we must maximize our existing versitility, something we have struggled to do in the past.