Mark Brunell, Phillip Daniels, Renaldo Wynn, Shawn Springs

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

I call them the over 30 club and I think we should get rid of mark, phillip, and renaldo not springs yet cause we are so scarce with Corners

But who thinks that brunell, daniels, and wynn should be sent packing

DISCUSS!!!!

[sportscurmudgeon]

Keep either Daniels or Wynn but not both. Injuries happen to the DL and it would be nice to have a vet on the bench who knows how to play - - even if he isn't going to come in and play at an All-Pro level. My preference would be to keep Daniels over Wynn, but it's only a marginal preference.

Get rid of Brunell only if you are CERTAIN that Todd Collins is able to step in and lead the team over a 4 game stretch. Because, if Campbell gets hurt, you have to have somebody play QB and the first person to suggest that Randle-El can do that also believes in the Tooth Fairy.

Collins has been in the NFL 12 years - it's not like this guy has a long future ahead of him - and he has started a total of 17 games. Ask yourself this; if he were a really good QB, wouldn't someone have given him a starting gig by now? The last time Todd Collins started a game was in 1997. If you cut Brunell, you have to pray Campbell does not miss even a series of downs OR you have to believe that Todd Collins can dash to a phone booth enter as a career back-up QB and emerge as Superman.

In the last 9 seasons, Collins has attempted a total of 22 passes. For his career, his QB Rating is 70.4 which is about the same as Kordell Stewart's lifetime QB rating - - and not too many folks think of Kordell Stewart as a great QB. Be very careful what you do with the QB position on this team.

Springs could be a cap casualty if they can't work out a restructuring that suits him. But if the "numbers work out" the Skins cannot afford to take the risk of cutting him. They just don't have the depth behind him to take that chance. We sort of saw that much of last season, no?

[amorentz]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

Keep either Daniels or Wynn but not both. Injuries happen to the DL and it would be nice to have a vet on the bench who knows how to play - - even if he isn't going to come in and play at an All-Pro level. My preference would be to keep Daniels over Wynn, but it's only a marginal preference.

Get rid of Brunell only if you are CERTAIN that Todd Collins is able to step in and lead the team over a 4 game stretch. Because, if Campbell gets hurt, you have to have somebody play QB and the first person to suggest that Randle-El can do that also believes in the Tooth Fairy.

Collins has been in the NFL 12 years - it's not like this guy has a long future ahead of him - and he has started a total of 17 games. Ask yourself this; if he were a really good QB, wouldn't someone have given him a starting gig by now? The last time Todd Collins started a game was in 1997. If you cut Brunell, you have to pray Campbell does not miss even a series of downs OR you have to believe that Todd Collins can dash to a phone booth enter as a career back-up QB and emerge as Superman.

In the last 9 seasons, Collins has attempted a total of 22 passes. For his career, his QB Rating is 70.4 which is about the same as Kordell Stewart's lifetime QB rating - - and not too many folks think of Kordell Stewart as a great QB. Be very careful what you do with the QB position on this team.

Springs could be a cap casualty if they can't work out a restructuring that suits him. But if the "numbers work out" the Skins cannot afford to take the risk of cutting him. They just don't have the depth behind him to take that chance. We sort of saw that much of last season, no?

Its really funny that you mention Kordell Stewart as an example...Mike Florio of profootballtalk.com has this thing called the "Kordoza Line." He uses the career QB rating of Kordell Stewart as the line that separates good QBs from bad QBs...his point is that Kordell Stewart was the closest thing to an exactly average QB in NFL history.

No real point to my comment, just thought it was a funny coincidence!

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

Keep either Daniels or Wynn but not both. Injuries happen to the DL and it would be nice to have a vet on the bench who knows how to play - - even if he isn't going to come in and play at an All-Pro level. My preference would be to keep Daniels over Wynn, but it's only a marginal preference.

Get rid of Brunell only if you are CERTAIN that Todd Collins is able to step in and lead the team over a 4 game stretch. Because, if Campbell gets hurt, you have to have somebody play QB and the first person to suggest that Randle-El can do that also believes in the Tooth Fairy.

Collins has been in the NFL 12 years - it's not like this guy has a long future ahead of him - and he has started a total of 17 games. Ask yourself this; if he were a really good QB, wouldn't someone have given him a starting gig by now? The last time Todd Collins started a game was in 1997. If you cut Brunell, you have to pray Campbell does not miss even a series of downs OR you have to believe that Todd Collins can dash to a phone booth enter as a career back-up QB and emerge as Superman.

In the last 9 seasons, Collins has attempted a total of 22 passes. For his career, his QB Rating is 70.4 which is about the same as Kordell Stewart's lifetime QB rating - - and not too many folks think of Kordell Stewart as a great QB. Be very careful what you do with the QB position on this team.

Springs could be a cap casualty if they can't work out a restructuring that suits him. But if the "numbers work out" the Skins cannot afford to take the risk of cutting him. They just don't have the depth behind him to take that chance. We sort of saw that much of last season, no?

C'mon dude. Brunell has to go. It's time to turn the page. Plain and simple. We already know what Brunell can do. A simple qualification for an NFL QB is he must be able to push the ball down field. So I would have Collins be 2nd string.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

C'mon dude. Brunell has to go. It's time to turn the page. Plain and simple. We already know what Brunell can do. A simple qualification for an NFL QB is he must be able to push the ball down field. So I would have Collins be 2nd string.

I don't see why that qualification applies to Brunell, but not Collins. Brunell has the better arm of the two.

I think every QB in the league (including Pennington) can "push the ball downfield" so that's a pretty questionable qualification.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I don't see why that qualification applies to Brunell, but not Collins. Brunell has the better arm of the two.

I think every QB in the league (including Pennington) can "push the ball downfield" so that's a pretty questionable qualification.

The point is we know what Brunell can do. It's over for the guy. He just looks old when he's playing. He can't avoid the rush, he can't throw it deep. What does he do that's good at this point of his career? Nothing.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

The point is we know what Brunell can do. It's over for the guy. He just looks old when he's playing. He can't avoid the rush, he can't throw it deep. What does he do that's good at this point of his career? Nothing.

Right--because throwing it deep and avoiding the rush are the only two qualities that make a good QB.

Anybody got Ryan Leaf's number?

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I'm not saying Collins should be the back-up. I would bring in someone to compete w/ Collins for the back-up job.

Collins does not have the mileage that Brunell has. Brunell has a list of injuries over the years that I think has done him in. His last year in Jack. he had an elbow injury to his throwing arm. Every year that he has been in a Redskin uniform he has had some type of injury. Now he's coming off MAJOR shoulder surgery. Time to turn the page!

For the record, we can free just as much cap room by cutting Collins as cutting Brunell. Brunell's salary is far higher, but so is his release fee.

Who do you suggest we bring in to learn an admittedly complicated system? We have a guy who last year completed 63% of his passes for almost 7 yards an attempt. That's not going to be easy to improve on in the open market.

[wolfeskins]

hopefully they can work something out with springs, i'd like to see him stay. i agree with SC in the area of keeping daniels and brunell, only for the reason of having quality backups. personally, i like brunell,daniels and wynn but it would not hurt my feelings if all three were cut. the skins definately need to trim the cap and replace a few of the older, expensive guys with some young, cheap ones.

[skinsfan69]

I'd send them all packing. It's time to rebuild with younger players. What are the chances of Springs playing 16 games? Ain't gonna happen. So we might as well try and get somebody in here who we can groom, or to take over for Springs. Hopefully we can get Nate C. here for the right price. But if he's asking for 18mil bonus then let someone else pay it. He ain't that damn good.

With the lack of draft picks we can't fix the defense in one year. Folks need to be patient.

[That Guy]

gotta keep daniels at least (he's cheaper than wynn). we'd at least have limited left depth at DE then.

[offiss]

We really need an influx of youth, I don't see the need for them [other than Springs who we should keep] the other 3? Is there really any question that they should be sent packing? Are we talking about all pro's here, or key contributers? No! As if we couldn't go 5-11 without these guy's!

[4mrusmc]

How about when we draft a champ bailey or a fred smoot that we do not be so short sighted and get rid of them after we develope their talents, only for them to go somewhere else.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by 4mrusmc

How about when we draft a champ bailey or a fred smoot that we do not be so short sighted and get rid of them after we develope their talents, only for them to go somewhere else.

Champ was in his last year at Washington and wanted to get out. He was tired of losing. I can't say I blame him. The Redskins would have loved to have kept him.

Of all the blunders this team has made with personnel, you can't blame them for Champ clawing to get out.

But losing Smoot and Pierce were devastating.

[wolfeskins]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

losing Smoot and Pierce were devastating.

pierce, yes that hurt. smoot was not that good in the first place, no big loss there.

[MTK]

My plan would be along the lines of SC's.

Cut either Wynn or Daniels, only get rid of Brunell if we can find a capable #2, restructure Springs. I'd also add the cutting of Hall.