Mark Brunell, Phillip Daniels, Renaldo Wynn, Shawn Springs

[sportscurmudgeon]

Keep either Daniels or Wynn but not both. Injuries happen to the DL and it would be nice to have a vet on the bench who knows how to play - - even if he isn't going to come in and play at an All-Pro level. My preference would be to keep Daniels over Wynn, but it's only a marginal preference.

Get rid of Brunell only if you are CERTAIN that Todd Collins is able to step in and lead the team over a 4 game stretch. Because, if Campbell gets hurt, you have to have somebody play QB and the first person to suggest that Randle-El can do that also believes in the Tooth Fairy.

Collins has been in the NFL 12 years - it's not like this guy has a long future ahead of him - and he has started a total of 17 games. Ask yourself this; if he were a really good QB, wouldn't someone have given him a starting gig by now? The last time Todd Collins started a game was in 1997. If you cut Brunell, you have to pray Campbell does not miss even a series of downs OR you have to believe that Todd Collins can dash to a phone booth enter as a career back-up QB and emerge as Superman.

In the last 9 seasons, Collins has attempted a total of 22 passes. For his career, his QB Rating is 70.4 which is about the same as Kordell Stewart's lifetime QB rating - - and not too many folks think of Kordell Stewart as a great QB. Be very careful what you do with the QB position on this team.

Springs could be a cap casualty if they can't work out a restructuring that suits him. But if the "numbers work out" the Skins cannot afford to take the risk of cutting him. They just don't have the depth behind him to take that chance. We sort of saw that much of last season, no?

[amorentz]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

Keep either Daniels or Wynn but not both. Injuries happen to the DL and it would be nice to have a vet on the bench who knows how to play - - even if he isn't going to come in and play at an All-Pro level. My preference would be to keep Daniels over Wynn, but it's only a marginal preference.

Get rid of Brunell only if you are CERTAIN that Todd Collins is able to step in and lead the team over a 4 game stretch. Because, if Campbell gets hurt, you have to have somebody play QB and the first person to suggest that Randle-El can do that also believes in the Tooth Fairy.

Collins has been in the NFL 12 years - it's not like this guy has a long future ahead of him - and he has started a total of 17 games. Ask yourself this; if he were a really good QB, wouldn't someone have given him a starting gig by now? The last time Todd Collins started a game was in 1997. If you cut Brunell, you have to pray Campbell does not miss even a series of downs OR you have to believe that Todd Collins can dash to a phone booth enter as a career back-up QB and emerge as Superman.

In the last 9 seasons, Collins has attempted a total of 22 passes. For his career, his QB Rating is 70.4 which is about the same as Kordell Stewart's lifetime QB rating - - and not too many folks think of Kordell Stewart as a great QB. Be very careful what you do with the QB position on this team.

Springs could be a cap casualty if they can't work out a restructuring that suits him. But if the "numbers work out" the Skins cannot afford to take the risk of cutting him. They just don't have the depth behind him to take that chance. We sort of saw that much of last season, no?

Its really funny that you mention Kordell Stewart as an example...Mike Florio of profootballtalk.com has this thing called the "Kordoza Line." He uses the career QB rating of Kordell Stewart as the line that separates good QBs from bad QBs...his point is that Kordell Stewart was the closest thing to an exactly average QB in NFL history.

No real point to my comment, just thought it was a funny coincidence!

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

Keep either Daniels or Wynn but not both. Injuries happen to the DL and it would be nice to have a vet on the bench who knows how to play - - even if he isn't going to come in and play at an All-Pro level. My preference would be to keep Daniels over Wynn, but it's only a marginal preference.

Get rid of Brunell only if you are CERTAIN that Todd Collins is able to step in and lead the team over a 4 game stretch. Because, if Campbell gets hurt, you have to have somebody play QB and the first person to suggest that Randle-El can do that also believes in the Tooth Fairy.

Collins has been in the NFL 12 years - it's not like this guy has a long future ahead of him - and he has started a total of 17 games. Ask yourself this; if he were a really good QB, wouldn't someone have given him a starting gig by now? The last time Todd Collins started a game was in 1997. If you cut Brunell, you have to pray Campbell does not miss even a series of downs OR you have to believe that Todd Collins can dash to a phone booth enter as a career back-up QB and emerge as Superman.

In the last 9 seasons, Collins has attempted a total of 22 passes. For his career, his QB Rating is 70.4 which is about the same as Kordell Stewart's lifetime QB rating - - and not too many folks think of Kordell Stewart as a great QB. Be very careful what you do with the QB position on this team.

Springs could be a cap casualty if they can't work out a restructuring that suits him. But if the "numbers work out" the Skins cannot afford to take the risk of cutting him. They just don't have the depth behind him to take that chance. We sort of saw that much of last season, no?

C'mon dude. Brunell has to go. It's time to turn the page. Plain and simple. We already know what Brunell can do. A simple qualification for an NFL QB is he must be able to push the ball down field. So I would have Collins be 2nd string.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

C'mon dude. Brunell has to go. It's time to turn the page. Plain and simple. We already know what Brunell can do. A simple qualification for an NFL QB is he must be able to push the ball down field. So I would have Collins be 2nd string.

I don't see why that qualification applies to Brunell, but not Collins. Brunell has the better arm of the two.

I think every QB in the league (including Pennington) can "push the ball downfield" so that's a pretty questionable qualification.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I don't see why that qualification applies to Brunell, but not Collins. Brunell has the better arm of the two.

I think every QB in the league (including Pennington) can "push the ball downfield" so that's a pretty questionable qualification.

The point is we know what Brunell can do. It's over for the guy. He just looks old when he's playing. He can't avoid the rush, he can't throw it deep. What does he do that's good at this point of his career? Nothing.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

The point is we know what Brunell can do. It's over for the guy. He just looks old when he's playing. He can't avoid the rush, he can't throw it deep. What does he do that's good at this point of his career? Nothing.

Right--because throwing it deep and avoiding the rush are the only two qualities that make a good QB.

Anybody got Ryan Leaf's number?

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I'm not saying Collins should be the back-up. I would bring in someone to compete w/ Collins for the back-up job.

Collins does not have the mileage that Brunell has. Brunell has a list of injuries over the years that I think has done him in. His last year in Jack. he had an elbow injury to his throwing arm. Every year that he has been in a Redskin uniform he has had some type of injury. Now he's coming off MAJOR shoulder surgery. Time to turn the page!

For the record, we can free just as much cap room by cutting Collins as cutting Brunell. Brunell's salary is far higher, but so is his release fee.

Who do you suggest we bring in to learn an admittedly complicated system? We have a guy who last year completed 63% of his passes for almost 7 yards an attempt. That's not going to be easy to improve on in the open market.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Right--because throwing it deep and avoiding the rush are the only two qualities that make a good QB.

Anybody got Ryan Leaf's number?

For the record, we can free just as much cap room by cutting Collins as cutting Brunell. Brunell's salary is far higher, but so is his release fee.

Who do you suggest we bring in to learn an admittedly complicated system? We have a guy who last year completed 63% of his passes for almost 7 yards an attempt. That's not going to be easy to improve on in the open market.

Stats don't tell the real story. ESPECIALLLY W/ BRUNELL. If you want to keep around a guy who throws predictable 5 yard dink and dunk passes to the sidelines than fine. Let's pray JC does not get hurt. Just ask yourself this question. Could Brunell do what Jeff Garcia did this past year? And PLEASE don't bring up 05 cause we all know the defense and Portis carried us during that stretch. I still can't get over the 41 yards passing against TB.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Stats don't tell the real story. ESPECIALLLY W/ BRUNELL. If you want to keep around a guy who throws predictable 5 yard dink and dunk passes to the sidelines than fine. Let's pray JC does not get hurt. Just ask yourself this question. Could Brunell do what Jeff Garcia did this past year? And PLEASE don't bring up 05 cause we all know the defense and Portis carried us during that stretch. I still can't get over the 41 yards passing against TB.

Fine, we get it. Stats matter except when talking about Brunell. He's different cause we don't like him. Okay guy, great argument.

He could do for us what Garcia did last year. Question is: can the Redskins be the team Philadelphia was last year.

TAFKAS makes a great point though. If you are Mark Brunell, do you really want to stay around and risk having to put up with the crap from the fans for another season?