Should Andy Reid Step Down?

SmootSmack · 11-02-2007, 11:41 AM

We've all joked in recent months about the legal troubles Reid's sons have had, but it appears to be a really serious problem that's been going for several years. And didn't Goodell tell Vick back in April that he's responsible for what goes on in his house? The same should apply to Reid right?

Anyhow, with the mess that's been going on in the Reid household do you think Goodell or even Jeffrey Laurie should step in and tell Reid he needs to step down indefinitely. If you're Laurie how can you expect Reid to control the team when he can't even control his own children?

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12thMan · 11-02-2007, 11:44 AM

I think they should keep an eye on it for sure. But this is sticky situation, because it's his personal life. Supposed he was going through an ugly divorce would that be reason enough for him to step down? Probably not.

Gmanc711 · 11-02-2007, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by 12thMan

I think they should keep an eye on it for sure. But this is sticky situation, because it's his personal life. Supposed he was going through an ugly divorce would that be reason enough for him to step down? Probably not.

I agree, but at the same time, his kids are adults too at this point, and need to be responible for their own actions at this point. I dont think Reid should be "punished" by being forced to step down because his kids are morons...now if he wants to step down, than thats fine and I could certainly understand that.

SmootSmack · 11-02-2007, 11:48 AM

Except a divorce isn't criminal activity

saden1 · 11-02-2007, 12:04 PM

Wow, hope he leaves after season and be ready to be a father to his kids when they get out. I mean, it looks like Andy doesn't know a single damn thing about his kids.

Southpaw · 11-02-2007, 12:11 PM

The only reason for Reid to step down at this point is to try to keep his family business out of the spotlight. One of his douchebag kids is 24. What can he honestly do? It can be said that his kids turning out like they did is partially his fault, but again, they're adults now. It's beyond his responsibility, and he shouldn't have to give up his livelyhood because of them.

Monkeydad · 11-02-2007, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Except a divorce isn't criminal activity

Yeah, if the NFL didn't care about Belichick taking part in an adultery with a married woman who later divorced her husband over it, they won't care about Reid simply getting a mutually agreed-upon divorce with his own wife.

BDBohnzie · 11-02-2007, 11:55 AM

Slippery slope here. Andy Reid is not the one directly linked to the criminal activity, whereas Vick was.

The control of his own children argument doesn't hold water, as his children are grown, and presumably on their own. As they are adults, they should be seen as their own men, and not Andy's sons.

I don't see Jeffrey Lurie doing anything but supporting his guy. Reid's in his 8th season as Eagles Head Coach, and they've had a good run under Reid. I don't see Lurie rocking the boat.

SmootSmack · 11-02-2007, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by BDBohnzie

Slippery slope here. Andy Reid is not the one directly linked to the criminal activity, whereas Vick was.

The control of his own children argument doesn't hold water, as his children are grown, and presumably on their own. As they are adults, they should be seen as their own men, and not Andy's sons.

I don't see Jeffrey Lurie doing anything but supporting his guy. Reid's in his 8th season as Eagles Head Coach, and they've had a good run under Reid. I don't see Lurie rocking the boat.

But when Goodell made those comments to Vick he didn't know Vick was directly involved. Still I see your points overall

I was actually curious if from a legal standpoint the NFL has any ground to stand on to suspend Reid? SGG, I'm looking in your direction.

I do feel bad for Reid. I think my bigger concern is not his two oldest sons his three other children (all under age 18). He can't let them slip away too. Not being a parent myself I don't know what's the right way to handle this quite honestly.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 11-02-2007, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I was actually curious if from a legal standpoint the NFL has any ground to stand on to suspend Reid? SGG, I'm looking in your direction.

Unfortunately, I don't know. The CBA only governs relations between the league and the players. The NFL has Bylaws that, presumably, govern the Commissioner's authority and state when the Commissioner may or may not suspend coaches. Unfortunately, the NFL's Bylaws are not available through google, yahoo, etc. I would suspect that the Bylaws grant the Commissioner broad authority to suspend coaches for any conduct that violates league rules or "that is otherwise detrimental to the league."

As a matter of general employment law, I know of no laws precluding the league or Lurie from suspending Reid.

TheBigD · 11-02-2007, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

As a matter of general employment law, I know of no laws precluding the league or Lurie from suspending Reid.

I doubt they will, the NFL PA (not sure if that covers coaches as well) would not let that happen to Reid. They usually don't suspend palyers unless they really mess up big time.

FRPLG · 11-02-2007, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBigD

I doubt they will, the NFL PA (not sure if that covers coaches as well) would not let that happen to Reid. They usually don't suspend palyers unless they really mess up big time.

There is no coaches union and the NFLPA would not do anything. They exist for the players only.

The league and team shouldn't do anything other than support him. As for reid he should step down if he thinks it can really help out but otherwise he shouldn't step down just because it looks good or because it seems like the right thing. Unless it would help I see no reason to step down.

SmootSmack · 11-02-2007, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Unfortunately, I don't know. The CBA only governs relations between the league and the players. The NFL has Bylaws that, presumably, govern the Commissioner's authority and state when the Commissioner may or may not suspend coaches. Unfortunately, the NFL's Bylaws are not available through google, yahoo, etc. I would suspect that the Bylaws grant the Commissioner broad authority to suspend coaches for any conduct that violates league rules or "that is otherwise detrimental to the league."

As a matter of general employment law, I know of no laws precluding the league or Lurie from suspending Reid.

But what about this: Persons Covered by Policy
The following persons ("Covered Persons") shall be considered subject to this Policy: (i) all players under contract; (ii) all full-time employees of the National Football League, its Member Clubs and related entities;

NFL Players Association - Rules and Regulations - Conduct Policy

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 11-02-2007, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

But what about this: Persons Covered by Policy
The following persons ("Covered Persons") shall be considered subject to this Policy: (i) all players under contract; (ii) all full-time employees of the National Football League, its Member Clubs and related entities;

NFL Players Association - Rules and Regulations - Conduct Policy

Ahhh, I didn't even know the NFLPA has a personal conduct policy or that it pertained to the coaches. I'm not sure that it applies to Reid's situation. I still suspect the Bylaws grant the Commissioner broad powers to pretty much do whatever he wants to do with regard to coaches.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 11-02-2007, 11:56 AM

I don't know what Andy Reid should do since it sounds like his kids cannot be helped. Anyone who gets a kick out of being privileged, going to bad neighborhoods, and getting people hooked on Oxycontin is a miserable, pathetic human being. That said, I would make an effort and step down as head coach. I don't think I would be able to function if my kids were doing that kind of stuff.

As for the NFL and the Eagles' ownership, I would say that they shouldn't force him to step down.

11-02-2007, 11:41 AM	#1
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Should Andy Reid Step Down? We've all joked in recent months about the legal troubles Reid's sons have had, but it appears to be a really serious problem that's been going for several years. And didn't Goodell tell Vick back in April that he's responsible for what goes on in his house? The same should apply to Reid right? Anyhow, with the mess that's been going on in the Reid household do you think Goodell or even Jeffrey Laurie should step in and tell Reid he needs to step down indefinitely. If you're Laurie how can you expect Reid to control the team when he can't even control his own children? ESPN - Reid's sons ordered to jail as judge assails family - NFL NFL Players Association - Rules and Regulations - Conduct Policy __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

11-02-2007, 11:44 AM	#2
12thMan MVP Join Date: May 2005 Location: washington, D.C. Posts: 11,460	Re: Should Andy Reid Step Down? I think they should keep an eye on it for sure. But this is sticky situation, because it's his personal life. Supposed he was going through an ugly divorce would that be reason enough for him to step down? Probably not.

11-02-2007, 11:48 AM	#4
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: Should Andy Reid Step Down? Except a divorce isn't criminal activity __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

11-02-2007, 12:04 PM	#5
saden1 MVP Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Seattle Age: 46 Posts: 10,069	Re: Should Andy Reid Step Down? Wow, hope he leaves after season and be ready to be a father to his kids when they get out. I mean, it looks like Andy doesn't know a single damn thing about his kids. __________________ "The Redskins have always suffered from chronic organizational deformities under Snyder." -Jenkins

11-02-2007, 12:11 PM	#6
Southpaw The Starter Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: So. MD Age: 47 Posts: 1,319	Re: Should Andy Reid Step Down? The only reason for Reid to step down at this point is to try to keep his family business out of the spotlight. One of his douchebag kids is 24. What can he honestly do? It can be said that his kids turning out like they did is partially his fault, but again, they're adults now. It's beyond his responsibility, and he shouldn't have to give up his livelyhood because of them.

11-02-2007, 11:55 AM	#8
BDBohnzie Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Frederick, MD Age: 46 Posts: 4,628	Re: Should Andy Reid Step Down? Slippery slope here. Andy Reid is not the one directly linked to the criminal activity, whereas Vick was. The control of his own children argument doesn't hold water, as his children are grown, and presumably on their own. As they are adults, they should be seen as their own men, and not Andy's sons. I don't see Jeffrey Lurie doing anything but supporting his guy. Reid's in his 8th season as Eagles Head Coach, and they've had a good run under Reid. I don't see Lurie rocking the boat. __________________ Bad Things man, I mean bad things... “WE TOOK HIM IN THE SIXTH ROUND SO WE'RE NOT SMART EITHER.” - Shanny on what the Skins saw in Alfred Morris

11-02-2007, 11:56 AM	#15
Sheriff Gonna Getcha Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 46 Posts: 8,317	Re: Should Andy Reid Step Down? I don't know what Andy Reid should do since it sounds like his kids cannot be helped. Anyone who gets a kick out of being privileged, going to bad neighborhoods, and getting people hooked on Oxycontin is a miserable, pathetic human being. That said, I would make an effort and step down as head coach. I don't think I would be able to function if my kids were doing that kind of stuff. As for the NFL and the Eagles' ownership, I would say that they shouldn't force him to step down.

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