Could Holmgren Be the End Game?

[SOUL-SKINS]

If were going to make Zorn work this wouldn't be such a bad idea.
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[CRedskinsRule]

NOOOOO
yes
NOOOOO
maybe as GM in place of Vinny?
NOOOOO
maybe next year as GM in place of Vinny?
Ok talk about it next year.

[mredskins]

I would take Holmgren in a front office/ hc role if it help develop Zorn into a better couch down the road. I think Zorn can couch but actually re-build a team I rather see Holmgren do that with Zorn.

[Hog1]

NO!!
-Fox Mulder

[rypper11]

I would like Holmgren in an advisory or FO role. He is burnt out and doesn't have the ambition to work 90 hrs/wk 46 weeks a year. He is a great evaluator though and I think it would be great to have someone on staff to help Zorn. Little things like practice times, training camp schedule, press conference etiquette, gameday protocol and such often make a difference between 8-8 and 10-6.

[celts32]

I would love to have him in a Parcels type role as President but I am not on board with firing Zorn. Holmgren in charge of the whole organization and helping to mentor Zorn on the side would be a great situation.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by celts32

I would love to have him in a Parcels type role as President but I am not on board with firing Zorn. Holmgren in charge of the whole organization and helping to mentor Zorn on the side would be a great situation.

Zorn is toast, unless he can perform miracles against the Eagles and 49ers. Why the hell do folks want to keep Zorn so bad? Continuity for continuity's sake has been done before. That is why we got stuck with Norv for 10 years. Do you fools want to get stuck with going 7-9 to 8-8 every year? His system is passe, and it has been figured out as a result of the WCO being featured by too many teams in the last 20 years. Also, what guy comes out in front of the press and tells them he must be the worst HC in the NFL? Stick a fork in the poor bastard. And why do you want Holmgren to come here to mentor Zorn(assuming Zorn somehow stays)? He had a short, but very sweet run with Brett and the Pack and a few good years with Seattle when Alexander was worth something as a RB. After that the Seahawks have sucked. Only thing that has kept them afloat is they are in the crappiest division in the NFL. According to ESPN a couple nights ago talking about coaches on the hot seat with the info they talked about with regards to Zorn, he looks like he is going to be in the unemployment line soon. Can't believe folks want to keep Zorn if Cowher looks like he is the heir apparent.

[Skins4L]

"Can't believe folks want to keep Zorn if Cowher looks like he is the heir apparent"

Good Call Gus. I dont know either.

If anything lets hold Zorn as QB Coach to develop Campbell...because thats the only positive things hes done.
Is it possible for Zorn to JUST be QB Coach? ah.. probally not.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Zorn is toast, unless he can perform miracles against the Eagles and 49ers. Why the hell do folks want to keep Zorn so bad? Continuity for continuity's sake has been done before. That is why we got stuck with Norv for 10 years. Do you fools want to get stuck with going 7-9 to 8-8 every year? His system is passe, and it has been figured out as a result of the WCO being featured by too many teams in the last 20 years. Also, what guy comes out in front of the press and tells them he must be the worst HC in the NFL? Stick a fork in the poor bastard. And why do you want Holmgren to come here to mentor Zorn(assuming Zorn somehow stays)? He had a short, but very sweet run with Brett and the Pack and a few good years with Seattle when Alexander was worth something as a RB. After that the Seahawks have sucked. Only thing that has kept them afloat is they are in the crappiest division in the NFL. According to ESPN a couple nights ago talking about coaches on the hot seat with the info they talked about with regards to Zorn, he looks like he is going to be in the unemployment line soon. Can't believe folks want to keep Zorn if Cowher looks like he is the heir apparent.

We have no idea what Zorn can do because he has only had 1 year. Thinking like that you would have fired Joe Gibbs in 1981...not that i am saying Zorn will ever be Gibbs. I think the Redskins biggest problems are in the front office and having an experienced guy like Holmgren there would help.

And what makes everyone think Cohwer will be so great with his next team? Is he going to bring the whole Pittsburgh front office with him? And Cowher is a pipe dream anyway because he will never work with Vinny as his personel man. Besides if Cohwer wanted the Redskins coaching job he would have taken it last year.

[RedskinMike]

Originally Posted by celts32

We have no idea what Zorn can do because he has only had 1 year. Thinking like that you would have fired Joe Gibbs in 1981...not that i am saying Zorn will ever be Gibbs. I think the Redskins biggest problems are in the front office and having an experienced guy like Holmgren there would help.

And what makes everyone think Cohwer will be so great with his next team? Is he going to bring the whole Pittsburgh front office with him? And Cowher is a pipe dream anyway because he will never work with Vinny as his personel man. Besides if Cohwer wanted the Redskins coaching job he would have taken it last year.

gibbs went 8-8 his first year but finished strong winning 8 out of 11 zorn has done the opposite and i think the strong start was due to there being no film on him no the book is out

[MTK]

If Zorn tanks again next year I could see Holmgren being strongly considered. We'll see.

[Otis Wonsley]

I have to admit like a lot of people that I would not mind seeing Holmgren in a President/GM type role like a Parcells in Miami.

However, not as a coach. It would be nice to see the organization develop a good gameplan for getting more young, hungry, talented players rather than constantly fiddle with the coaching. I think we have competent coaching overall, Zorn is a little green but he is no Spurrier.

[WaldSkins]

Originally Posted by Otis Wonsley

I have to admit like a lot of people that I would not mind seeing Holmgren in a President/GM type role like a Parcells in Miami.

However, not as a coach. It would be nice to see the organization develop a good gameplan for getting more young, hungry, talented players rather than constantly fiddle with the coaching. I think we have competent coaching overall, Zorn is a little green but he is no Spurrier.

As much as id like to agree, there's no way they get rid of Vinny. This guy will never lose his job.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by WaldSkins

As much as id like to agree, there's no way they get rid of Vinny. This guy will never lose his job.

Right they won't get rid of Vinny, but no one was named President when Gibbs stepped down. Snyder could bring him in as President of the Redskins which would make Vinny report to Holmgren. The only issues would be if Holmgren would work with Vinny and accept a role that does not include coaching. Hiring Holmgren to run the franchise is a perfect fit since he is a master of the type of offense they are trying to impliment. Plus he would be an invaluable resourse for Zorn as he develops as a head coach.

[RiggoDrill]

What would make Holmgren want to come to Washington?
He is a California boy who's farthest travels east in the coaching world have been to Wisconsin. He is pushing 60, has been in the NFL for @25 years and seems awfully burned out on coaching. One would think he has no need of $$ at this point after so many years as a successful head coach.
JLC is throwing a name out there to create discussion thread buzz. It will amount to nothing.