Andre Smith still leads in the Database at #13

[PennSkinsFan]

http://dcprosportsreport.com/2009/03/nfl-draft-mockery-matt-stafford-still-projected-1.html

As for the Washington Redskins at #13, the leader remains for the second straight update OT Andre Smith.. In fact, Smith jumped 9% and now commands 39% of the 114 mock drafts updated in March projecting him to the Redskins.

[SFREDSKIN]

Yeah and his stock is falling due to bad showing at his Pro-day.

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[Dirtbag59]

Somethings wrong, I mean 19 reps? I guess he really is a football player though I wonder if we draft him should he fall to us after a trade down. i mean right now it's suggested that six tackles could go in the first round this year and that includes Eben Britton and James Merideth on the back end so it's not like he'll slide to the second round. Still you got to wonder I mean Vinny wasn't scared off by Kelly's (and possibly Davis's) workout performances so you never know.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Somethings wrong, I mean 19 reps? I guess he really is a football player though I wonder if we draft him should he fall to us after a trade down. i mean right now it's suggested that six tackles could go in the first round this year and that includes Eben Britton and James Merideth on the back end so it's not like he'll slide to the second round. Still you got to wonder I mean Vinny wasn't scared off by Kelly's (and possibly Davis's) workout performances so you never know.

and how's that worked out?

yeah yeah, 3 years, i know. i'm hoping for signs of life too.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Somethings wrong, I mean 19 reps? I guess he really is a football player though I wonder if we draft him should he fall to us after a trade down. i mean right now it's suggested that six tackles could go in the first round this year and that includes Eben Britton and James Merideth on the back end so it's not like he'll slide to the second round. Still you got to wonder I mean Vinny wasn't scared off by Kelly's (and possibly Davis's) workout performances so you never know.

After the out of shape Thomas and Kelly drama last year, Vinny should be smart enough to stay away from this guy. He'll probably fall to the 2nd round at this stage. I say Draft Mack, a sure bet of a player.

[That Guy]

bad pro day numbers. 19 reps? 5.3 aint great either, but it's less important.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by That Guy

bad pro day numbers. 19 reps? 5.3 aint great either, but it's less important.

Reps are worthless as a combine tool though, because blocking is all footwork, balance and hand placement anyway.

We look at nineteen reps and say "whoa, he's not nearly as strong as other guys" but anyone who can put up 225 12 times or more is plenty strong to play in the NFL. He's still in the top 0.3% of males at his age, obviously.

If he does fail in the NFL, it will be for other reasons. Perhaps his relative bench totals and 40 time are indicative of a bigger problem, but there's no correlation between combine (or pro day) bench reps and NFL success anyway, so I'd say the kids stock probably shouldn't fall any because of this.

If anything, this validates his story at the combine about not wanting to work out, and was probably a good business decision in the long run. Had he put up a 14 spot at the combine, he might have dropped out of the first round. Now, he's still going to be the third or fourth tackle taken.

Of course, reason #1 why the draft process is good: some team would have taken this guy with the first or second overall pick after the season ended.

[Zerohero]

Imagine the hilarity of NBA players losing stock in drafts because of low situp totals and slow suicide sprint times.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Reps are worthless as a combine tool though, because blocking is all footwork, balance and hand placement anyway.

We look at nineteen reps and say "whoa, he's not nearly as strong as other guys" but anyone who can put up 225 12 times or more is plenty strong to play in the NFL. He's still in the top 0.3% of males at his age, obviously.

If he does fail in the NFL, it will be for other reasons. Perhaps his relative bench totals and 40 time are indicative of a bigger problem, but there's no correlation between combine (or pro day) bench reps and NFL success anyway, so I'd say the kids stock probably shouldn't fall any because of this.

If anything, this validates his story at the combine about not wanting to work out, and was probably a good business decision in the long run. Had he put up a 14 spot at the combine, he might have dropped out of the first round. Now, he's still going to be the third or fourth tackle taken.

Of course, reason #1 why the draft process is good: some team would have taken this guy with the first or second overall pick after the season ended.

Exactly. Sean Taylore only did like 8 or 9 reps. Jared All did 11 or 12.
The bench pressing means nothing. But I'd leave the guy alone. I saw him on NFL Newotrk last night and he looked like a total fat out of shape sack of poop.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by That Guy

bad pro day numbers. 19 reps? 5.3 aint great either, but it's less important.

LT's generally have long arms which lowers their rep totals. I would be more worried about his weight becoming an issue and him breaking down as he gets older...or his weight being an indicator that he is not a hard worker. I also read that he has always been a chubby guy so it could just be his genes.

[SmootSmack]

I think Chris Samuels only did 19 (or fewer) reps at his pro day as well

[Daseal]

The fact that he showed up out of shape to the combine is reason enough for me to say no thanks. We need players that WANT to play and be their best.

SS -- Does your sig mean you want that future bust LB from Ohio State? =p

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by Daseal

The fact that he showed up out of shape to the combine is reason enough for me to say no thanks. We need players that WANT to play and be their best.

I don't know that I'd say "no thanks" cut and dry but while the numbers don't concern me at all football-wise what the numbers mean mentally do. He was out of shape...he knew it at the combine and he was still out of shape today. Not that he could have really done a ton in the few short weeks but when his trainers are visibly upset then I am getting really concerned. I think with proper motivation the guy could be a stud. But who knows if he is a head case or not. Some athletes hate working out and get out of shape very easily and then come back each season and work their way back in time for the season. Some are just lazy and think they are the sh*t and get run over consitently until they're out of the league. So that's the question. Is he a big head or just a bad decision maker?

Is he Anthony Montgomery? A guy who has tools but can't seem to really push his ass hard enough to dominate.

[SmootSmack]

It means he's someone I'd consider as a weakside linebacker if we had a later pick in the draft, but I'm continously changing that...later today I'm updating to a new player

(For the record, at 13 I want either Oher or Andre Smith and I probably won't waver from that.)

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

It means he's someone I'd consider as a weakside linebacker if we had a later pick in the draft, but I'm continously changing that...later today I'm updating to a new player

(For the record, at 13 I want either Oher or Andre Smith and I probably won't waver from that.)

Smith had a horrible performance at the alabama pro-day today. He's been off my list for guys id take at 13 for a while and hes dropped even further down it now. id considering him below 25, but it would depend on who else was there.

Right now, if we stay at 13, my votes for Oher or Maualuga. I think Oher can be a franchise LT and Maualuga could be the next Ray Lewis. Both would make it hard for me chose to trade down if they were there at 13.