The line is quite offensive right now

[MTK]

Wow, I am simply amazed at how piss poor the OL is. At this point it doesn't matter who is behind center, I'm frankly worried for JC right now. If this keeps up he's not going to last too much longer. He's shell shocked at this point.

Why not get Pete Kendall in here and plug him in at RG, or move Dockery and put Kendall at LG?? Can it really hurt at this point? Also, Levi Jones needs to get coached up and be starting at LT after the bye, no excuses. Heyer is just pathetic at LT and merely serviceable at RT.

Looking ahead to next year the potential free agents are here, but that list could look much different with no cap as 4 year free agents will suddenly not be available until after year 5.

2010 NFL Free Agents: OL

Whoever is calling the personnel shots next offseason better have the OL as priorities #1, #2, and #3.

[redsk1]

Heyer is really bad. The whole line is bad. That's the thing, one or two bad lineman make the whole line look horrible. We have a few lineman who shouldn't be starting.

That being said JC had a bad game, again. He didn't feel the rush, had no pocket presence, and missed open recievers. I thought the MNF announcers did their best to be supportive of JC but had to call him out on a few occasions.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by redsk1

Heyer is really bad. The whole line is bad. That's the thing, one or two bad lineman make the whole line look horrible. We have a few lineman who shouldn't be starting.

That being said JC had a bad game, again. He didn't feel the rush, had no pocket presence, and missed open recievers. I thought the MNF announcers did their best to be supportive of JC but had to call him out on a few occasions.

I keep going back and forth on JC right now, half of me wonders if he's just so worried about the OL right now it's hurting his whole game. The other half of me says he needs to stand strong and make the throws despite of the pressure.

But honestly if you look around the league, anytime a QB faces heavy and consistent pressure, eventually he's going to fold, I don't care who you are.

[redsk1]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I keep going back and forth on JC right now, half of me wonders if he's just so worried about the OL right now it's hurting his whole game. The other half of me says he needs to stand strong and make the throws despite of the pressure.

But honestly if you look around the league, anytime a QB faces heavy and consistent pressure, eventually he's going to fold, I don't care who you are.

That's the thing, he is worried about the pressure and it's affecting his game. Easy for us to sit here and say, right? It's not all on him. He got beat up last night.

Until you beat the blitz, they are going to keep on coming. JC had a great blitz pickup throw down the middle to ARE in the 2nd half. Those are the things we've got to do to stop teams from blitzing.

The problem is our line gets beat w/out the blitz.

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by redsk1

Until you beat the blitz, they are going to keep on coming. JC had a great blitz pickup throw down the middle to ARE in the 2nd half. Those are the things we've got to do to stop teams from blitzing.

You beat the blitz with the run and screen passes. The problem is, this team has apparently forgotten how to run a screen, and I think they're worse at run blocking than they are at pass blocking at this point. Against teams with a good pass rush(which is basically every team left on the schedule), 50-80 rushing yards and 5+ sacks a game is going to be a pretty common occurance.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I keep going back and forth on JC right now, half of me wonders if he's just so worried about the OL right now it's hurting his whole game. The other half of me says he needs to stand strong and make the throws despite of the pressure.

But honestly if you look around the league, anytime a QB faces heavy and consistent pressure, eventually he's going to fold, I don't care who you are.

I'm a JC fan, but it is hard to keep taking his side. Overall though, I've at least decided that he's not a good fit for this offense. I really wish we could've seen Al Saunders stay, that O suited JC's strengths much more. NOt that it would matter now.

The ghost of Sammy Baugh is scared to stand behind this o line!

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I keep going back and forth on JC right now, half of me wonders if he's just so worried about the OL right now it's hurting his whole game. The other half of me says he needs to stand strong and make the throws despite of the pressure.

But honestly if you look around the league, anytime a QB faces heavy and consistent pressure, eventually he's going to fold, I don't care who you are.

F JC. He isnt improving, his mistakes are costing this team big time. We need a new QB next season. No more excuses for him. He has had 5 years. Bye Bye JC!!!!

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

F JC. He isnt improving, his mistakes are costing this team big time. We need a new QB next season. No more excuses for him. He has had 5 years. Bye Bye JC!!!!

Okay...name the QB who should come in here. Where does he come from? How do you acquire him?

I understand the frustration. I'm to my breaking point with JC, but there's not one quarterback in this league who could look great behind this line, so you better address that as well. And if you want to spend a #1 pick on a QB and have him turn into David Carr behind this GD line, then you're going to be saying F Snead, Bradford, McCoy, Tebow, or Kolb in about 5 years too.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by jdlea

Okay...name the QB who should come in here. Where does he come from? How do you acquire him?

I understand the frustration. I'm to my breaking point with JC, but there's not one quarterback in this league who could look great behind this line, so you better address that as well. And if you want to spend a #1 pick on a QB and have him turn into David Carr behind this GD line, then you're going to be saying F Snead, Bradford, McCoy, Tebow, or Kolb in about 5 years too.

Ive been with JC for 4 years and he has not improved. The Oline we knew about last season and nothing was done. There is no way we give JC an extention, even when he has time in the pocket, he cannot make a play or it too scared to throw the ball. He has shown no leadership skills and no ability to make guys around him better. BYE BYE JC!! Like it or not he is gone, you seriously think Snyder is giving him mo money? I completely agree with building the Oline, I have been screaming it since last year. We need 3 new starters, get one through FA and try to get couple in the draft first and second rounds. Im saying F Snead and Bradford now. Kolb would be a thought. I would support Hasselbeck coming in here for a couple years over JC.

[bertoskins2]

Originally Posted by jdlea

Okay...name the QB who should come in here. Where does he come from? How do you acquire him?

I understand the frustration. I'm to my breaking point with JC, but there's not one quarterback in this league who could look great behind this line, so you better address that as well. And if you want to spend a #1 pick on a QB and have him turn into David Carr behind this GD line, then you're going to be saying F Snead, Bradford, McCoy, Tebow, or Kolb in about 5 years too.

I know few some QB's ..........rodgers, philip rivers and roetlisberger. who can still pass it even with a bad oline.
too bad JC does not have their ability.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I keep going back and forth on JC right now, half of me wonders if he's just so worried about the OL right now it's hurting his whole game. The other half of me says he needs to stand strong and make the throws despite of the pressure.

But honestly if you look around the league, anytime a QB faces heavy and consistent pressure, eventually he's going to fold, I don't care who you are.

In my opinion, JC is only as good as those around him. When the offensive line is plowing running lanes for the backs and giving him time, JC can be quite effective. When the offensive line consists of Heyer, Williams, Montgomery, Rabach, and Dockery, he's going to play like &@*#.

Dockery is the only lineman who would start for about half of the teams in the league. The rest of the guys are backups at best. Think how mamy games Rabach has cost us. He cost us up to 14 points last night with terrible snaps. He cost us the game against San Diego in 2005 that would have given us homefield advantage in the playoffs. He tried to cost us the game against Dallas in 2007 by getting flagged on 2 consecutive touchdown plays. He's garbage.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

In my opinion, JC is only as good as those around him. When the offensive line is plowing running lanes for the backs and giving him time, JC can be quite effective. When the offensive line consists of Heyer, Williams, Montgomery, Rabach, and Dockery, he's going to play like &@*#.

Dockery is the only lineman who would start for about half of the teams in the league. The rest of the guys are backups at best. Think how mamy games Rabach has cost us. He cost us up to 14 points last night with terrible snaps. He cost us the game against San Diego in 2005 that would have given us homefield advantage in the playoffs. He tried to cost us the game against Dallas in 2007 by getting flagged on 2 consecutive touchdown plays. He's garbage.

Quality, rational post. Not seeing many of those around here this morning.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

In my opinion, JC is only as good as those around him. When the offensive line is plowing running lanes for the backs and giving him time, JC can be quite effective. When the offensive line consists of Heyer, Williams, Montgomery, Rabach, and Dockery, he's going to play like &@*#.

Dockery is the only lineman who would start for about half of the teams in the league. The rest of the guys are backups at best. Think how mamy games Rabach has cost us. He cost us up to 14 points last night with terrible snaps. He cost us the game against San Diego in 2005 that would have given us homefield advantage in the playoffs. He tried to cost us the game against Dallas in 2007 by getting flagged on 2 consecutive touchdown plays. He's garbage.

Yeah I agree, that's why I'm hesitant to say that replacing JC and Portis is the answer.

If there's a worse OL out there right now I'd love to see it.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

In my opinion, JC is only as good as those around him. When the offensive line is plowing running lanes for the backs and giving him time, JC can be quite effective. When the offensive line consists of Heyer, Williams, Montgomery, Rabach, and Dockery, he's going to play like &@*#.

Dockery is the only lineman who would start for about half of the teams in the league. The rest of the guys are backups at best. Think how mamy games Rabach has cost us. He cost us up to 14 points last night with terrible snaps. He cost us the game against San Diego in 2005 that would have given us homefield advantage in the playoffs. He tried to cost us the game against Dallas in 2007 by getting flagged on 2 consecutive touchdown plays. He's garbage.

I would agree with that about the Oline, they are terrible. But when I watch JC this year and he gets time to make a play, 9 times out of 10 he cant. He is afraid to throw, gun-shy, going through progressions too fast and flat out missing guys who are open....I just havent seen it from him. The turnovers especially the fumbling...every QB gets hit but he fumbles more than others.

[Big C]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

I would agree with that about the Oline, they are terrible. But when I watch JC this year and he gets time to make a play, 9 times out of 10 he cant. He is afraid to throw, gun-shy, going through progressions too fast and flat out missing guys who are open....I just havent seen it from him. The turnovers especially the fumbling...every QB gets hit but he fumbles more than others.

exactly. even when he does get time he doesnt remain calm and make the proper reads.