The line is quite offensive right now

[MTK]

Originally Posted by redsk1

Heyer is really bad. The whole line is bad. That's the thing, one or two bad lineman make the whole line look horrible. We have a few lineman who shouldn't be starting.

That being said JC had a bad game, again. He didn't feel the rush, had no pocket presence, and missed open recievers. I thought the MNF announcers did their best to be supportive of JC but had to call him out on a few occasions.

I keep going back and forth on JC right now, half of me wonders if he's just so worried about the OL right now it's hurting his whole game. The other half of me says he needs to stand strong and make the throws despite of the pressure.

But honestly if you look around the league, anytime a QB faces heavy and consistent pressure, eventually he's going to fold, I don't care who you are.

[redsk1]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I keep going back and forth on JC right now, half of me wonders if he's just so worried about the OL right now it's hurting his whole game. The other half of me says he needs to stand strong and make the throws despite of the pressure.

But honestly if you look around the league, anytime a QB faces heavy and consistent pressure, eventually he's going to fold, I don't care who you are.

That's the thing, he is worried about the pressure and it's affecting his game. Easy for us to sit here and say, right? It's not all on him. He got beat up last night.

Until you beat the blitz, they are going to keep on coming. JC had a great blitz pickup throw down the middle to ARE in the 2nd half. Those are the things we've got to do to stop teams from blitzing.

The problem is our line gets beat w/out the blitz.

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by redsk1

Until you beat the blitz, they are going to keep on coming. JC had a great blitz pickup throw down the middle to ARE in the 2nd half. Those are the things we've got to do to stop teams from blitzing.

You beat the blitz with the run and screen passes. The problem is, this team has apparently forgotten how to run a screen, and I think they're worse at run blocking than they are at pass blocking at this point. Against teams with a good pass rush(which is basically every team left on the schedule), 50-80 rushing yards and 5+ sacks a game is going to be a pretty common occurance.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I keep going back and forth on JC right now, half of me wonders if he's just so worried about the OL right now it's hurting his whole game. The other half of me says he needs to stand strong and make the throws despite of the pressure.

But honestly if you look around the league, anytime a QB faces heavy and consistent pressure, eventually he's going to fold, I don't care who you are.

I'm a JC fan, but it is hard to keep taking his side. Overall though, I've at least decided that he's not a good fit for this offense. I really wish we could've seen Al Saunders stay, that O suited JC's strengths much more. NOt that it would matter now.

The ghost of Sammy Baugh is scared to stand behind this o line!

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I keep going back and forth on JC right now, half of me wonders if he's just so worried about the OL right now it's hurting his whole game. The other half of me says he needs to stand strong and make the throws despite of the pressure.

But honestly if you look around the league, anytime a QB faces heavy and consistent pressure, eventually he's going to fold, I don't care who you are.

F JC. He isnt improving, his mistakes are costing this team big time. We need a new QB next season. No more excuses for him. He has had 5 years. Bye Bye JC!!!!

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

F JC. He isnt improving, his mistakes are costing this team big time. We need a new QB next season. No more excuses for him. He has had 5 years. Bye Bye JC!!!!

Okay...name the QB who should come in here. Where does he come from? How do you acquire him?

I understand the frustration. I'm to my breaking point with JC, but there's not one quarterback in this league who could look great behind this line, so you better address that as well. And if you want to spend a #1 pick on a QB and have him turn into David Carr behind this GD line, then you're going to be saying F Snead, Bradford, McCoy, Tebow, or Kolb in about 5 years too.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by jdlea

Okay...name the QB who should come in here. Where does he come from? How do you acquire him?

I understand the frustration. I'm to my breaking point with JC, but there's not one quarterback in this league who could look great behind this line, so you better address that as well. And if you want to spend a #1 pick on a QB and have him turn into David Carr behind this GD line, then you're going to be saying F Snead, Bradford, McCoy, Tebow, or Kolb in about 5 years too.

Ive been with JC for 4 years and he has not improved. The Oline we knew about last season and nothing was done. There is no way we give JC an extention, even when he has time in the pocket, he cannot make a play or it too scared to throw the ball. He has shown no leadership skills and no ability to make guys around him better. BYE BYE JC!! Like it or not he is gone, you seriously think Snyder is giving him mo money? I completely agree with building the Oline, I have been screaming it since last year. We need 3 new starters, get one through FA and try to get couple in the draft first and second rounds. Im saying F Snead and Bradford now. Kolb would be a thought. I would support Hasselbeck coming in here for a couple years over JC.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Ive been with JC for 4 years and he has not improved. The Oline we knew about last season and nothing was done. There is no way we give JC an extention, even when he has time in the pocket, he cannot make a play or it too scared to throw the ball. He has shown no leadership skills and no ability to make guys around him better. BYE BYE JC!! Like it or not he is gone, you seriously think Snyder is giving him mo money? I completely agree with building the Oline, I have been screaming it since last year. We need 3 new starters, get one through FA and try to get couple in the draft first and second rounds. Im saying F Snead and Bradford now. Kolb would be a thought. I would support Hasselbeck coming in here for a couple years over JC.

We might not have to give him a new deal for another season. With an uncapped year he won't become a UFA until year 5, same with Rogers.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

We might not have to give him a new deal for another season. With an uncapped year he won't become a UFA until year 5, same with Rogers.

We're going to at least have to give him some new legs then, option for a wheelchair.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

We might not have to give him a new deal for another season. With an uncapped year he won't become a UFA until year 5, same with Rogers.

Really didnt know that. Well he will be pretty decent backup.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

We might not have to give him a new deal for another season. With an uncapped year he won't become a UFA until year 5, same with Rogers.

This is year 5 for both of them, they were drafted in 05. I recall someone saying that both would be restricted fa's after this year.

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Ive been with JC for 4 years and he has not improved. The Oline we knew about last season and nothing was done. There is no way we give JC an extention, even when he has time in the pocket, he cannot make a play or it too scared to throw the ball. He has shown no leadership skills and no ability to make guys around him better. BYE BYE JC!! Like it or not he is gone, you seriously think Snyder is giving him mo money? I completely agree with building the Oline, I have been screaming it since last year. We need 3 new starters, get one through FA and try to get couple in the draft first and second rounds. Im saying F Snead and Bradford now. Kolb would be a thought. I would support Hasselbeck coming in here for a couple years over JC.

Everything else you stated is pretty obvious. JC isn't going to come back here and if he does, he won't start. However, you didn't answer my question: How do you get those guys? Is Hasselbeck a free agent? I honestly don't know. Do you have faith he'll stay healthy behind this O Line?

How do you get Kolb? What does it take? What do you think it would take to acquire him? If it requires draft picks, wouldn't they be better spent on the O Line?

I'm asking because there will probably be a lot of guys cut this offseason that people on this board will turn up their noses at, but the Skins might consider. I honestly don't have an answer for what they should do. Since Campbell will likely not be a UFA because of the uncapped year, it might be wise to keep he and Colt around to compete next year with a totally rebuilt O Line. If that happens, people will piss and moan because they'll probably lose again, but they'll be in a much better position to grab a QB and hit the ground running in 2011.

I'm of the opinion that this team will need much more than one offseason to rebuild and compete again.

I think one thing people need to consider is "Is one more season of Jason Campbell worse than one more season of this offensive line?" If the answer is "No" you still try to get a FA QB, but you really can't trade for one unless you somehow find someone to give you picks for some of the garbage on this roster.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by jdlea

Everything else you stated is pretty obvious. JC isn't going to come back here and if he does, he won't start. However, you didn't answer my question: How do you get those guys? Is Hasselbeck a free agent? I honestly don't know. Do you have faith he'll stay healthy behind this O Line?

How do you get Kolb? What does it take? What do you think it would take to acquire him? If it requires draft picks, wouldn't they be better spent on the O Line?

I'm asking because there will probably be a lot of guys cut this offseason that people on this board will turn up their noses at, but the Skins might consider. I honestly don't have an answer for what they should do. Since Campbell will likely not be a UFA because of the uncapped year, it might be wise to keep he and Colt around to compete next year with a totally rebuilt O Line. If that happens, people will piss and moan because they'll probably lose again, but they'll be in a much better position to grab a QB and hit the ground running in 2011.

I'm of the opinion that this team will need much more than one offseason to rebuild and compete again.

I think one thing people need to consider is "Is one more season of Jason Campbell worse than one more season of this offensive line?" If the answer is "No" you still try to get a FA QB, but you really can't trade for one unless you somehow find someone to give you picks for some of the garbage on this roster.

Sorry was out, yes agree more than 1 year to rebuild. Oline should be the first to receive attention in the rebuilding process. To your question of how to get a QB: Im not in favor of drafting one this coming up year, but I feel to effectively start a rebuilding process will be with to rid our offense of players who has leveled out, peaked, stagnated etc...whatever you want to call it over last several years starting with the guy who has the ball in his hands the most, JC. There will be vets availible and I prefer somebody else at this point. Some guys just need a change of scenery...JC may be that way as well...so while we both understand this offense may take a couple years, getting a vet or guy who hasnt succeeded (D. Anderson, Brady Quinn, etc.) to get under center I wouldnt see as taking a substantial risk (unless we give a stupid ass contract). I just cant deal with JC anymore, im officially done with him. But before we can get there we need a new GM and an established NFL coach.

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Sorry was out, yes agree more than 1 year to rebuild. Oline should be the first to receive attention in the rebuilding process. To your question of how to get a QB: Im not in favor of drafting one this coming up year, but I feel to effectively start a rebuilding process will be with to rid our offense of players who has leveled out, peaked, stagnated etc...whatever you want to call it over last several years starting with the guy who has the ball in his hands the most, JC. There will be vets availible and I prefer somebody else at this point. Some guys just need a change of scenery...JC may be that way as well...so while we both understand this offense may take a couple years, getting a vet or guy who hasnt succeeded (D. Anderson, Brady Quinn, etc.) to get under center I wouldnt see as taking a substantial risk (unless we give a stupid ass contract). I just cant deal with JC anymore, im officially done with him. But before we can get there we need a new GM and an established NFL coach.

This is where we disagree, but I can understand where you're coming from. I don't think the Skins should draft a QB high or trade picks for one. If there's a guy out there, go get him. However, if he's not proven, I would force him to compete with Colt and JC (who isn't a free agent under the new system).

I have no problem with replacing Jason with the future of the team or just a holdover to get us through rebuilding, but I'm not really in favor of change for the sake of change. I think that if you believe you can upgrade the QB position in the offseason without sacrificing anything, you have to do it, but I don't think you can go get Vince Young or a Jamarcus Russell type and think that everything is solved. If those are the options (they may be) then keeping JC and having him compete with Campbell might be the best option.

[bertoskins2]

Originally Posted by jdlea

Okay...name the QB who should come in here. Where does he come from? How do you acquire him?

I understand the frustration. I'm to my breaking point with JC, but there's not one quarterback in this league who could look great behind this line, so you better address that as well. And if you want to spend a #1 pick on a QB and have him turn into David Carr behind this GD line, then you're going to be saying F Snead, Bradford, McCoy, Tebow, or Kolb in about 5 years too.

I know few some QB's ..........rodgers, philip rivers and roetlisberger. who can still pass it even with a bad oline.
too bad JC does not have their ability.