Things Are Bad All Over?

[sportscurmudgeon]

The Redskins need to upgrade their offensive line. I doubt too many folks here would say the current roster incumbents are plenty good and there is no need there.

The Redskins' drafting history has been "spotty". I doubt too many folks would take great issue with that either.

Well, it isn't as if Washington fans are all alone in that world. Here is Steve Rosenbloom of the Chicago Tribune with his view of the Bears' OL and their drafting prowess.


Rosenblog | Chicago Tribune | Blog

[See posting on 1 Feb 2011]

[Monkeydad]

We can disregard drafting history. Our draft-monkey has left the building.

[redsk1]

Originally Posted by Buster

We can disregard drafting history. Our draft-monkey has left the building.

Yep, we've got a new regime. Let's pray they get it right over the next few years.

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by Buster

We can disregard drafting history. Our draft-monkey has left the building.

Let's not put all of our draft woes on Vinny (I can't believe I'm defending him). Joe Gibbs, much like Shanahan today, had the final say on all personnel decisions from 2004 through 2007. The only offseason that I pin entirely on Vinny is 2008, although that was among the worst offseasons in franchise history:

• Plugged hard to promote Zorn from newly hired OC to head coach
• 10 player draft has yielded ONE starter (Kareem Moore who is marginal, at best)

Getting rid of Vinny was certainly the right move. We have to keep the faith that Shanny is changing the culture here, and will start winning when he acquires more of his type of players through the draft and free agency.

[Dirtbag59]

I said it before early in the year but it's worth saying again. The Bears built their team exactly the same way as the Redskins, yet somehow ended up in the NFC Championship. I guess part of that is they matched their big name QB acquisition with the right coach but other then that we're pretty damn similar. Big contract to a defensive lineman, draftpicks for someone elses QB, top notch MLB, porus OL, big name coach, Beat the Packers, etc.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

I said it before early in the year but it's worth saying again. The Bears built their team exactly the same way as the Redskins, yet somehow ended up in the NFC Championship. I guess part of that is they matched their big name QB acquisition with the right coach but other then that we're pretty damn similar. Big contract to a defensive lineman, draftpicks for someone elses QB, top notch MLB, porus OL, big name coach, Beat the Packers, etc.

Jack Kent Cooke has cursed the team....LOL!

[CrustyRedskin]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

Jack Kent Cooke has cursed the team....LOL!

They could have called it Fed-X field at Jack Kent Cook stadium. I sure do miss him I remember working at Radio Shack the day it happened i put all the tv's on the channel, pulled up a chair and just sat there.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by CrustyRedskin

They could have called it Fed-X field at Jack Kent Cook stadium. I sure do miss him I remember working at Radio Shack the day it happened i put all the tv's on the channel, pulled up a chair and just sat there.

When Joe Gibbs left, I had an empty feeling about the Redskins and my worst thoughts had come true. When Jack Kent Cooke died, those same thoughts and feelings came back again, and have pretty much remained since. How I stay so positive about this team, I never know, but something tells me that eventually they'll return to the Redskins of old, but it might take an intervention.

[CrustyRedskin]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

When Joe Gibbs left, I had an empty feeling about the Redskins and my worst thoughts had come true. When Jack Kent Cooke died, those same thoughts and feelings came back again, and have pretty much remained since. How I stay so positive about this team, I never know, but something tells me that eventually they'll return to the Redskins of old, but it might take an intervention.

I hear ya on that.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

I said it before early in the year but it's worth saying again. The Bears built their team exactly the same way as the Redskins, yet somehow ended up in the NFC Championship. I guess part of that is they matched their big name QB acquisition with the right coach but other then that we're pretty damn similar. Big contract to a defensive lineman, draftpicks for someone elses QB, top notch MLB, porus OL, big name coach, Beat the Packers, etc.

Maybe the Bears have done a better job at making sure their priced free agents actually work out. We don't have a good track record of doing that. Also, the Bears did draft a number of their key players like Kreutz (I know their o-line is porous, but he's been a Pro Bowl center for the past couple seasons), Urlacher, Briggs, Tommie Harris, etc. etc. Also they've done a pretty decent job in recent drafts (Hester, Forte, Knox).

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Maybe the Bears have done a better job at making sure their priced free agents actually work out. We don't have a good track record of doing that. Also, the Bears did draft a number of their key players like Kreutz (I know their o-line is porous, but he's been a Pro Bowl center for the past couple seasons), Urlacher, Briggs, Tommie Harries, etc. etc. Also they've done a pretty decent job in recent drafts (Hester, Forte, Knox, and Aromashadu).

Could have sworn we had Aromashadu and cut him

A couple of years ago I wanted us to draft Craig Steltz, Zack Bowman, Earl Bennett, Marcus Harrison (and the following year Edwin Williams)....who would have known they'd all be Bears today

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Could have sworn we had Aromashadu and cut him

A couple of years ago I wanted us to draft Craig Steltz, Zack Bowman, Earl Bennett, Marcus Harrison (and the following year Edwin Williams)....who would have known they'd all be Bears today

You are correct, and he was drafted by the Dolphins. I don't know why I included him there.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Maybe the Bears have done a better job at making sure their priced free agents actually work out. We don't have a good track record of doing that. Also, the Bears did draft a number of their key players like Kreutz (I know their o-line is porous, but he's been a Pro Bowl center for the past couple seasons), Urlacher, Briggs, Tommie Harris, etc. etc. Also they've done a pretty decent job in recent drafts (Hester, Forte, Knox).

I should point out that the Redskins-Bears comparison is more of a poor attempt at comedy on my part rather than actual hard hitting analysis.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

I should point out that the Redskins-Bears comparison is more of a poor attempt at comedy on my part rather than actual hard hitting analysis.

I am glad you said that. I was about to say something.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

I should point out that the Redskins-Bears comparison is more of a poor attempt at comedy on my part rather than actual hard hitting analysis.

Back in the day of JLC at RI on the post, he did a comarison of the Bears to the Skins to point out how different the bears approach was; they valued draft picks & placed emphasis on re-signing their own players. Of course that was before they shelled out picks for Cutler & big $ for Peppers.