Things Are Bad All Over?

[Dirtbag59]

I said it before early in the year but it's worth saying again. The Bears built their team exactly the same way as the Redskins, yet somehow ended up in the NFC Championship. I guess part of that is they matched their big name QB acquisition with the right coach but other then that we're pretty damn similar. Big contract to a defensive lineman, draftpicks for someone elses QB, top notch MLB, porus OL, big name coach, Beat the Packers, etc.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

I said it before early in the year but it's worth saying again. The Bears built their team exactly the same way as the Redskins, yet somehow ended up in the NFC Championship. I guess part of that is they matched their big name QB acquisition with the right coach but other then that we're pretty damn similar. Big contract to a defensive lineman, draftpicks for someone elses QB, top notch MLB, porus OL, big name coach, Beat the Packers, etc.

Jack Kent Cooke has cursed the team....LOL!

[CrustyRedskin]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

Jack Kent Cooke has cursed the team....LOL!

They could have called it Fed-X field at Jack Kent Cook stadium. I sure do miss him I remember working at Radio Shack the day it happened i put all the tv's on the channel, pulled up a chair and just sat there.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by CrustyRedskin

They could have called it Fed-X field at Jack Kent Cook stadium. I sure do miss him I remember working at Radio Shack the day it happened i put all the tv's on the channel, pulled up a chair and just sat there.

When Joe Gibbs left, I had an empty feeling about the Redskins and my worst thoughts had come true. When Jack Kent Cooke died, those same thoughts and feelings came back again, and have pretty much remained since. How I stay so positive about this team, I never know, but something tells me that eventually they'll return to the Redskins of old, but it might take an intervention.

[CrustyRedskin]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

When Joe Gibbs left, I had an empty feeling about the Redskins and my worst thoughts had come true. When Jack Kent Cooke died, those same thoughts and feelings came back again, and have pretty much remained since. How I stay so positive about this team, I never know, but something tells me that eventually they'll return to the Redskins of old, but it might take an intervention.

I hear ya on that.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

I said it before early in the year but it's worth saying again. The Bears built their team exactly the same way as the Redskins, yet somehow ended up in the NFC Championship. I guess part of that is they matched their big name QB acquisition with the right coach but other then that we're pretty damn similar. Big contract to a defensive lineman, draftpicks for someone elses QB, top notch MLB, porus OL, big name coach, Beat the Packers, etc.

Maybe the Bears have done a better job at making sure their priced free agents actually work out. We don't have a good track record of doing that. Also, the Bears did draft a number of their key players like Kreutz (I know their o-line is porous, but he's been a Pro Bowl center for the past couple seasons), Urlacher, Briggs, Tommie Harris, etc. etc. Also they've done a pretty decent job in recent drafts (Hester, Forte, Knox).

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Maybe the Bears have done a better job at making sure their priced free agents actually work out. We don't have a good track record of doing that. Also, the Bears did draft a number of their key players like Kreutz (I know their o-line is porous, but he's been a Pro Bowl center for the past couple seasons), Urlacher, Briggs, Tommie Harries, etc. etc. Also they've done a pretty decent job in recent drafts (Hester, Forte, Knox, and Aromashadu).

Could have sworn we had Aromashadu and cut him

A couple of years ago I wanted us to draft Craig Steltz, Zack Bowman, Earl Bennett, Marcus Harrison (and the following year Edwin Williams)....who would have known they'd all be Bears today

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Could have sworn we had Aromashadu and cut him

A couple of years ago I wanted us to draft Craig Steltz, Zack Bowman, Earl Bennett, Marcus Harrison (and the following year Edwin Williams)....who would have known they'd all be Bears today

You are correct, and he was drafted by the Dolphins. I don't know why I included him there.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Maybe the Bears have done a better job at making sure their priced free agents actually work out. We don't have a good track record of doing that. Also, the Bears did draft a number of their key players like Kreutz (I know their o-line is porous, but he's been a Pro Bowl center for the past couple seasons), Urlacher, Briggs, Tommie Harris, etc. etc. Also they've done a pretty decent job in recent drafts (Hester, Forte, Knox).

I should point out that the Redskins-Bears comparison is more of a poor attempt at comedy on my part rather than actual hard hitting analysis.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

I should point out that the Redskins-Bears comparison is more of a poor attempt at comedy on my part rather than actual hard hitting analysis.

I am glad you said that. I was about to say something.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

I should point out that the Redskins-Bears comparison is more of a poor attempt at comedy on my part rather than actual hard hitting analysis.

Back in the day of JLC at RI on the post, he did a comarison of the Bears to the Skins to point out how different the bears approach was; they valued draft picks & placed emphasis on re-signing their own players. Of course that was before they shelled out picks for Cutler & big $ for Peppers.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

I said it before early in the year but it's worth saying again. The Bears built their team exactly the same way as the Redskins, yet somehow ended up in the NFC Championship. I guess part of that is they matched their big name QB acquisition with the right coach but other then that we're pretty damn similar. Big contract to a defensive lineman, draftpicks for someone elses QB, top notch MLB, porus OL, big name coach, Beat the Packers, etc.

While the Haynesworth and Peppers signings are superficially similar, the Bears didn't sign Peppers with the idea that they would plug him in somewhere and hope. The Bears had a coaching staff that really, truly understands it's defensive scheme, and so when they signed Peppers, they released Alex Brown and opted not to resign Adewale Ogunleye.

Those were eye opening moves, but in hindsight, somewhat necessary to make sure Peppers could succeed in the scheme. When we signed Haynesworth, we didn't release Griffin or Phillip Daniels or something similar, we dropped the one guy who might have benefitted from Haynesworth the most (Jason Taylor) for $8 million dollars of cap space. [Although we were in cap hell and needed that $8 million to have a draft.]

Our coaches didn't understand defense very well (and we still don't have coaches as good as the Bears coaches, which is why the 2010 Haynesworth thing happened).

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

I should point out that the Redskins-Bears comparison is more of a poor attempt at comedy on my part rather than actual hard hitting analysis.

Noted for accuracy.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

While the Haynesworth and Peppers signings are superficially similar, the Bears didn't sign Peppers with the idea that they would plug him in somewhere and hope. The Bears had a coaching staff that really, truly understands it's defensive scheme, and so when they signed Peppers, they released Alex Brown and opted not to resign Adewale Ogunleye.

Those were eye opening moves, but in hindsight, somewhat necessary to make sure Peppers could succeed in the scheme. When we signed Haynesworth, we didn't release Griffin or Phillip Daniels or something similar, we dropped the one guy who might have benefitted from Haynesworth the most (Jason Taylor) for $8 million dollars of cap space. [Although we were in cap hell and needed that $8 million to have a draft.]

Our coaches didn't understand defense very well (and we still don't have coaches as good as the Bears coaches, which is why the 2010 Haynesworth thing happened).

Noted for accuracy.

Yes Sir! You are correct.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

While the Haynesworth and Peppers signings are superficially similar, the Bears didn't sign Peppers with the idea that they would plug him in somewhere and hope. The Bears had a coaching staff that really, truly understands it's defensive scheme, and so when they signed Peppers, they released Alex Brown and opted not to resign Adewale Ogunleye.

Those were eye opening moves, but in hindsight, somewhat necessary to make sure Peppers could succeed in the scheme. When we signed Haynesworth, we didn't release Griffin or Phillip Daniels or something similar, we dropped the one guy who might have benefitted from Haynesworth the most (Jason Taylor) for $8 million dollars of cap space. [Although we were in cap hell and needed that $8 million to have a draft.]

Our coaches didn't understand defense very well (and we still don't have coaches as good as the Bears coaches, which is why the 2010 Haynesworth thing happened).

Noted for accuracy.

I still think that the Redskins don't know how to make a big prized free agent signing work. Although you can definitely blame these situations on the players themselves, it has happened enough times that some blame has to go towards the team.

We all know Haynesworth is a scumbag, but why is it that Jeff Fisher and his staff made him into a dominant DT (post stomping incident), whereas two coaching regimes could not do anything with him?

I just hope this new regime stays away from an expensive free agent...well they technically didn't with the McNabb acquisition. But I hope they've learned from it.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I still think that the Redskins don't know how to make a big prized free agent signing work. Although you can definitely blame these situations on the players themselves, it has happened enough times that some blame has to go towards the team.

We all know Haynesworth is a scumbag, but why is it that Jeff Fisher and his staff made him into a dominant DT (post stomping incident), whereas two coaching regimes could not do anything with him?

I just hope this new regime stays away from an expensive free agent...well they technically didn't with the McNabb acquisition. But I hope they've learned from it.

IMO I think Shanny thought he could do a quick fix with this team, thus the McNabb trade, but from post season articles in WaPo he has recognized the need to rebuild. I guess a season that does not meet your expectations will do that.

In terms on Haynesworth, I think the structure and continuity in Tennessee was the reason for his success. In DC the constant change and drama and the lack of communication made for a bad mix for a player that craves structure.