Kornheiser believes Skins would make run at Moss

jdlea · 01-17-2005, 05:59 PM

During the "Mail Time" portion of the program today a viewer asked if the Vikes should deal him and would anyone be interested. Wilbon said teams would be and Kornheiser continually repeated "Redskins...Redskins...Redskins."

I know a lot of you think we should probably trade Portis and Coles for him so we can start Betts and have a great reciever. Or even LaVar since they are a bad defensive team. I know most of you will shoot it down and say Gibbs likes the "character guys." Wilbon even said that himself, but Kornheiser pointed out that the Skins owner would have to be infatuated with him.

This is exactly the type of idea that makes me despise Dan Snyder. The fact that Skins fans thinks we could/should trade for Moss because Snyder is a loose cannon with his checkbook. Whether they express public interest or not I can guarantee that the idea would cross Snyder's mind. Moss is a great player, should we make a run at him?

skins009 · 01-17-2005, 06:04 PM

Nope we shouldn't cause he neve plays well in the big games. Plus he's got a bad attitude, forget him. What needs to happen is LC getting his toe fixed so he can dominate and a better offensive playbook.

Daseal · 01-17-2005, 06:07 PM

jdlea: Snyder spends. Yet we never seem up in cap hell. Randy Moss would instantly make our passing game respectable. Randy Moss needs strong leadership to set him straight. Our coaching staff has that, but it's something we're sorely lacking from a player standpoint. LaVar has yet to step up as a team leader, Smoot may be gone, etc.

Even with an anemic passing defense like ours you think teams won't put a safety overtop of Moss? As Dante Culpeper said, he's the best Decoy in the game. Now as far as what I'd be willing to give up in a trade, I don't know. Depends on how steep the Viking's demands are. Now, don't be too sure the Vikings will even deal him, every year we hear the Vikings want to deal Moss, even though the Vikings owner loves him.

Snyder opens his checkbook, get's any player his COACHING STAFF wants, and brings him in all while keeping us out of cap hell. If that means we have to cut a few big name players down the road who won't restructure (Lavar, Springs, Brunell, Portis, etc no one is safe.) Then so be it, if they want to be "Redskins" so bad they'll be willing to take a healthy salary to stay part of the franchise. If they choose to get another payday, I understand that too. It's part of the business, but so is the Redskins FO letting them go. Snyder has made bad moves before in personel decesions, especially early in his tenure. Owners can be rookies too. Since then he's gotten only players the coaches want and still is demonized by the fans and press for trying to assemble a winning team in Washington. To Snyder I say thank you and continue trying to make this a winning franchise. Right now, very few changes would help us. Moss is an impact guy and could really make our team dangerous. I wouldn't be against it (as long as the Vikes don't get too much) but I don't think it's probable.

Also - look at his numbers against Dallas. He HATES Dallas, and plays big against them always. Moss plays well in big games, he's been too bothered with stupid controversey this week, he had some drops. We all know that isn't Moss's MO.

jordanz301 · 01-20-2005, 03:43 PM

u kno y moss hates da cowboyz rite cause during da nfl draft during his tyme he wanted to be wit da cowboyz but since he had a prison record cowboys didnt want him so he hates em now

Big C · 01-17-2005, 06:07 PM

id be pretty pissed if we traded for him

jdlea · 01-17-2005, 06:20 PM

I didn't really even mean to bash Snyder in that thread, I just sorta ran into it. One thing that I will say does not help us win is turnover. Turnover of a good players in particular and you can't say that's not Snyder's doing. You can't keep rebuilding a team, give them 2 years and then tear them apart. Excuse me for not liking a guy who has had one playoff season and made terrible moves. I love the Gibbs hire and think this will turn us around, but I don't know.

That said, I don't know about the Moss thing. He would bring a lot to the field. I really don't respect Culpepper's ability at all. He does the same thing that Gus Frerotte did when he came in. I think that Ramsey's arm strength is comparable to Culpepper's, so I believe the Skins could do basically the same thing offensively. I also think this would give us leeway with the Coles injury, if he had to miss time, we could live with that.

All that said, I think the negative outwieghs the positive. I don't think Moss will ever change no matter who leads his team. I thought Carter would help him more than he did, but they got into shouting matches with Culpepper on the side lines. He got into shouting matches with Carter on the sidelines. I don't think he can be controlled. I definitely don't think Gibbs could reach him because I don't think he'd listen to him. I think it would be terrible for our team if we got him.

jdlea · 01-17-2005, 06:21 PM

And I will never apologize for thinking that trading/cutting Portis, Coles, and/or LaVar is a good idea.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 01-17-2005, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by jdlea

And I will never apologize for thinking that trading/cutting Portis, Coles, and/or LaVar is a good idea.

What the hell.....get rid of our best guys???????

jdlea · 01-17-2005, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

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Originally Posted by jdlea

And I will never apologize for thinking that trading/cutting Portis, Coles, and/or LaVar is a good idea.

What the hell.....get rid of our best guys???????

That came out completely wrong. I meant to say that I will never apologize for thinking that trading them is a bad idea. I'm a jackass for not proof reading that. If you hadn't quoted I never would have caught it. Seriously, I think it's a terrible idea and I apologize for the confusion.

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Originally Posted by flyfischer

...who thinks that? Betts had one good game, he struggled last year when he had his chance. We can't trade our whole team, and why would we want to? If someone gets on here and says we need to trade Portis, LaVar, or Coles, that just shows how little they know about the game. Granted some backups stepped up this year, but trading LaVar...come on. Since when does one good year mean anything. Marshall is NOT better. Portis rushed for 1300 yards with a new system, and Coles was hurt. Give these guys a chance. Good grief. I'm glad no one on this site has no say in what really happens because we'd be 0-16 every year.

There has been discussion that Betts should be the unquestioned starter because he ran on the Vikes. He actually had less yards than their average, so it wasn't even a great day, but the board was split on the idea of trading Portis. The same happened about a week later with LaVar. People seem to think that a Herschel Walker trade would happen again...it won't...ever! Especially not for a defensive player. But anyway, I was just wanting to take a shot at them.

Once again, I meant to say that trading any of them is a bad idea. And to speak of it is asinine.

Dana87 · 01-17-2005, 10:03 PM

jdlea,
You don't have to apologize. But you are wrong.

SmootSmack · 01-17-2005, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Dana87

jdlea,
You don't have to apologize. But you are wrong.

Wrong about what?

RedskinRat · 01-17-2005, 06:15 PM

After seeing Moss play (sort of) this weekend I'd hate to have him on the roster. Burress would be better. I'd take a chance with Williams first though.

gibbsisgod · 01-17-2005, 06:20 PM

moss is an ass. if the skins are stupid enough to trade for a guy that has absolutley no respect for the game than gibby has truley lost his mind. this guy is cancer in the clubhouse

SmootSmack · 01-17-2005, 06:16 PM

I think Moss and maybe Michael Bennett are going to end up reunited with Dennis Green in Arizona.

And that's fine by me. Moss is a great talent but we'd have to give up a lot to get him. And I'd rather just build on what we currently have

Daseal · 01-17-2005, 06:18 PM

You really think with Fitz, Boldin, and 1-2 other 1st round WRs down in Arizona that they'll go after Moss? Hell, Marcel Shipp is a great back down there in Arizona. I'd be suprised if they gave up what's necessary for Moss.

I'd also be suprised not to see either Bennett, Smith, or both dealt for some defense.

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01-17-2005, 05:59 PM	#1
jdlea Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, VA Age: 41 Posts: 3,109	Kornheiser believes Skins would make run at Moss During the "Mail Time" portion of the program today a viewer asked if the Vikes should deal him and would anyone be interested. Wilbon said teams would be and Kornheiser continually repeated "Redskins...Redskins...Redskins." I know a lot of you think we should probably trade Portis and Coles for him so we can start Betts and have a great reciever. Or even LaVar since they are a bad defensive team. I know most of you will shoot it down and say Gibbs likes the "character guys." Wilbon even said that himself, but Kornheiser pointed out that the Skins owner would have to be infatuated with him. This is exactly the type of idea that makes me despise Dan Snyder. The fact that Skins fans thinks we could/should trade for Moss because Snyder is a loose cannon with his checkbook. Whether they express public interest or not I can guarantee that the idea would cross Snyder's mind. Moss is a great player, should we make a run at him?

01-17-2005, 06:07 PM	#5
Big C Mr. Brightside Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Leesburg, VA Age: 39 Posts: 4,453	id be pretty pissed if we traded for him __________________ "I don't care what nobody say I'm a be me, stay hood stay real, cause I'm out here grindin'" -Joe Gibbs

01-17-2005, 06:16 PM	#14
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	I think Moss and maybe Michael Bennett are going to end up reunited with Dennis Green in Arizona. And that's fine by me. Moss is a great talent but we'd have to give up a lot to get him. And I'd rather just build on what we currently have __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

01-17-2005, 06:04 PM	#2
skins009 Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 528	Nope we shouldn't cause he neve plays well in the big games. Plus he's got a bad attitude, forget him. What needs to happen is LC getting his toe fixed so he can dominate and a better offensive playbook.

01-17-2005, 06:07 PM	#3
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 42 Posts: 8,341	jdlea: Snyder spends. Yet we never seem up in cap hell. Randy Moss would instantly make our passing game respectable. Randy Moss needs strong leadership to set him straight. Our coaching staff has that, but it's something we're sorely lacking from a player standpoint. LaVar has yet to step up as a team leader, Smoot may be gone, etc. Even with an anemic passing defense like ours you think teams won't put a safety overtop of Moss? As Dante Culpeper said, he's the best Decoy in the game. Now as far as what I'd be willing to give up in a trade, I don't know. Depends on how steep the Viking's demands are. Now, don't be too sure the Vikings will even deal him, every year we hear the Vikings want to deal Moss, even though the Vikings owner loves him. Snyder opens his checkbook, get's any player his COACHING STAFF wants, and brings him in all while keeping us out of cap hell. If that means we have to cut a few big name players down the road who won't restructure (Lavar, Springs, Brunell, Portis, etc no one is safe.) Then so be it, if they want to be "Redskins" so bad they'll be willing to take a healthy salary to stay part of the franchise. If they choose to get another payday, I understand that too. It's part of the business, but so is the Redskins FO letting them go. Snyder has made bad moves before in personel decesions, especially early in his tenure. Owners can be rookies too. Since then he's gotten only players the coaches want and still is demonized by the fans and press for trying to assemble a winning team in Washington. To Snyder I say thank you and continue trying to make this a winning franchise. Right now, very few changes would help us. Moss is an impact guy and could really make our team dangerous. I wouldn't be against it (as long as the Vikes don't get too much) but I don't think it's probable. Also - look at his numbers against Dallas. He HATES Dallas, and plays big against them always. Moss plays well in big games, he's been too bothered with stupid controversey this week, he had some drops. We all know that isn't Moss's MO.

01-20-2005, 03:43 PM	#4
jordanz301 Special Teams Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: damascus, maryland Age: 37 Posts: 161	u kno y moss hates da cowboyz rite cause during da nfl draft during his tyme he wanted to be wit da cowboyz but since he had a prison record cowboys didnt want him so he hates em now

01-17-2005, 06:20 PM	#6
jdlea Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, VA Age: 41 Posts: 3,109	I didn't really even mean to bash Snyder in that thread, I just sorta ran into it. One thing that I will say does not help us win is turnover. Turnover of a good players in particular and you can't say that's not Snyder's doing. You can't keep rebuilding a team, give them 2 years and then tear them apart. Excuse me for not liking a guy who has had one playoff season and made terrible moves. I love the Gibbs hire and think this will turn us around, but I don't know. That said, I don't know about the Moss thing. He would bring a lot to the field. I really don't respect Culpepper's ability at all. He does the same thing that Gus Frerotte did when he came in. I think that Ramsey's arm strength is comparable to Culpepper's, so I believe the Skins could do basically the same thing offensively. I also think this would give us leeway with the Coles injury, if he had to miss time, we could live with that. All that said, I think the negative outwieghs the positive. I don't think Moss will ever change no matter who leads his team. I thought Carter would help him more than he did, but they got into shouting matches with Culpepper on the side lines. He got into shouting matches with Carter on the sidelines. I don't think he can be controlled. I definitely don't think Gibbs could reach him because I don't think he'd listen to him. I think it would be terrible for our team if we got him.

01-17-2005, 06:21 PM	#7
jdlea Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, VA Age: 41 Posts: 3,109	And I will never apologize for thinking that trading/cutting Portis, Coles, and/or LaVar is a good idea.

01-17-2005, 10:03 PM	#10
Dana87 Special Teams Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Saint Augustine, Florida Age: 64 Posts: 130	jdlea, You don't have to apologize. But you are wrong.

01-17-2005, 06:15 PM	#12
RedskinRat Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: I'm in LA, trick! Posts: 8,700	After seeing Moss play (sort of) this weekend I'd hate to have him on the roster. Burress would be better. I'd take a chance with Williams first though.

01-17-2005, 06:20 PM	#13
gibbsisgod Playmaker Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: 129 W 81st street Age: 46 Posts: 3,503	moss is an ass. if the skins are stupid enough to trade for a guy that has absolutley no respect for the game than gibby has truley lost his mind. this guy is cancer in the clubhouse

01-17-2005, 06:18 PM	#15
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 42 Posts: 8,341	You really think with Fitz, Boldin, and 1-2 other 1st round WRs down in Arizona that they'll go after Moss? Hell, Marcel Shipp is a great back down there in Arizona. I'd be suprised if they gave up what's necessary for Moss. I'd also be suprised not to see either Bennett, Smith, or both dealt for some defense.

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