What is the 2nd overall pick worth?

GTripp0012 · 02-29-2012, 03:24 AM

Not as much as you'd think.

What is the Rams’ Second Overall Pick Really Worth? Not Nearly as Much as the Rams Want | The Big Lead

The premise of the article is essentially that you can't tell how Robert Griffin will compare to other second overall picks in terms of career value. Even if a bunch of teams really like him.

But you can determine how valuable the average second overall pick is and compare that to every other pick in the draft.

GTripp0012 · 02-29-2012, 03:39 AM

Also, even though the article concludes that the 39th overall pick is something the Rams should get for the 2nd pick, I'm going to point out that the 2013 first rounder is basically equally valuable (right now) to the 39th overall pick.

So trading the first and second round picks isn't different (in terms of trade value) than trading next year's first and this year's first.

What it's saying is that there's still a bit of a gap between what the Rams are asking for (two firsts, a third, and a fifth) and what their asset is actually worth (two firsts and a sixth). It's really not a huge difference, but it's a meaningful one. The Redskins were able to add Leonard Hankerson and trade for the last two years of Adam Carriker's contract for the difference in what St. Louis is asking for vs. what it's worth.

Though I have to imagine if you love RG3 enough, you'd probably argue that the difference is trivial. When you're actually running an NFL team though, every small advantage counts. And if it doesn't, pretend like it does anyway.

30gut · 02-29-2012, 08:18 AM

gp GT

The media likes to blur the distinction between moving up X number of spots vs. moving up X number of spots to acquire the 1st over all.

I don't think the Chargers-Giants trade is the actual bench mark because they traded up to the 1st overall spot.

GTripp0012 · 02-29-2012, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by 30gut

gp GT

The media likes to blur the distinction between moving up X number of spots vs. moving up X number of spots to acquire the 1st over all.

I don't think the Chargers-Giants trade is the actual bench mark because they traded up to the 1st overall spot.

I do think that because of who Andrew Luck is, the second pick is being treated more like the first pick than like a traditional second pick.

I happen to think the Eli Manning deal would be "fair" for RG3. Of course, you're gambling on Tannehill either 1) not being there at no. 6 or 2) not being much of a quarterback if you pull the trigger on RG3.

iamsrk · 02-29-2012, 04:15 PM

What is the 2nd overall pick worth?
An arm and a leg.

SmootSmack · 02-29-2012, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by iamsrk

What is the 2nd overall pick worth?
An arm and a leg.

Is McCoy the arm and Shipley the leg? Cleverly played, my friend

iamsrk · 03-01-2012, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Is McCoy the arm and Shipley the leg? Cleverly played, my friend

You and I think so alike. If I were a QB, I would like to have you as my main receiver. Just like the McCoy-Shipley team for redskins offense.

dmek25 · 02-29-2012, 08:25 AM

i like RG3 so much, and am so sick of mediocre QB play, that i trade this years and next years first. along with next years second for him. im not trading any players. when you lose a player, you have to fill that empty spot somehow. and the one thing that shanahan has done is make the redskins younger

NYCskinfan82 · 02-29-2012, 11:45 AM

IMO 2012 1st & 3rd, 2013 1st & 4th.

diehardskin2982 · 02-29-2012, 11:56 AM

It's not what the 2nd pick is worth. It's more a question of how much would you pay for a talent like RGIII at the QB position. Argueably with a legit QB last year we could have taken the east and got into the playoffs.

I am hoping that the Redskins pay the price- what ever it takes to get their guy. I think its time to invest in a blue chip pospect at the QB position to groom into their system. Our version of a McNabb or Peyton that can last in the role for 10+ years. No more settling for second rate.

celts32 · 02-29-2012, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

It's not what the 2nd pick is worth. It's more a question of how much would you pay for a talent like RGIII at the QB position. Argueably with a legit QB last year we could have taken the east and got into the playoffs.

I am hoping that the Redskins pay the price- what ever it takes to get their guy. I think its time to invest in a blue chip pospect at the QB position to groom into their system. Our version of a McNabb or Peyton that can last in the role for 10+ years. No more settling for second rate.

This...Exactly this.

SBXVII · 02-29-2012, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

It's not what the 2nd pick is worth. It's more a question of how much would you pay for a talent like RGIII at the QB position. Argueably with a legit QB last year we could have taken the east and got into the playoffs.

I am hoping that the Redskins pay the price- what ever it takes to get their guy. I think its time to invest in a blue chip pospect at the QB position to groom into their system. Our version of a McNabb or Peyton that can last in the role for 10+ years. No more settling for second rate.

I'm speachless.

diehardskin2982 · 02-29-2012, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by SBXVII

I'm speachless.

LOL why?

SBXVII · 02-29-2012, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

LOL why?

I think it was the first sentence of the second paragraph. Its pretty much half the sentiment here on this board. I'm not one though and I guess I just have trouble wrapping my brain around the idea of get him at whatever the cost when this team has done that with the previous regime for 10yrs without success and for the last 2 done the opposite and everyone is so desperate to have a "franchise" QB that they would be willing to do anything and everything just to get it.

SBXVII · 02-29-2012, 12:29 PM

I love this. It's nice to see team over pay, but in reality.... the chart is just a guide and even then I think if there is a valuable player or someone several teams want it then becomes an auction. Basically put it's about supply and demand. What will the market allow. Which is another reason I'm not for trading up, we make this trade and then the presedence has been set for what it will take to trade up and then it becomes the source to look at as a guide.

I personally think it's too much. If RGIII played in a pro system, had his mechanics somewhat down, had a good throwing motion, and only needed to work on his reading defenses then I might look at it differently, but thats not the case. RGIII might be a player with a ton of talent but the coaching staff will have a ton to work on prior to the season and I just don't think it's worth it for a player who's not a complete package. He's better then the rest left thats all.

No one here would pay a Corvettes price for a Camaro that needs some engine work, needs new tires, needs its steering adjusted, and needs new headlights.

02-29-2012, 03:24 AM	#1
GTripp0012 Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Evanston, IL Age: 37 Posts: 15,994	What is the 2nd overall pick worth? Not as much as you'd think. What is the Rams’ Second Overall Pick Really Worth? Not Nearly as Much as the Rams Want \| The Big Lead The premise of the article is essentially that you can't tell how Robert Griffin will compare to other second overall picks in terms of career value. Even if a bunch of teams really like him. But you can determine how valuable the average second overall pick is and compare that to every other pick in the draft. __________________ according to a source with knowledge of the situation.

02-29-2012, 03:39 AM	#2
GTripp0012 Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Evanston, IL Age: 37 Posts: 15,994	Re: What is the 2nd overall pick worth? Also, even though the article concludes that the 39th overall pick is something the Rams should get for the 2nd pick, I'm going to point out that the 2013 first rounder is basically equally valuable (right now) to the 39th overall pick. So trading the first and second round picks isn't different (in terms of trade value) than trading next year's first and this year's first. What it's saying is that there's still a bit of a gap between what the Rams are asking for (two firsts, a third, and a fifth) and what their asset is actually worth (two firsts and a sixth). It's really not a huge difference, but it's a meaningful one. The Redskins were able to add Leonard Hankerson and trade for the last two years of Adam Carriker's contract for the difference in what St. Louis is asking for vs. what it's worth. Though I have to imagine if you love RG3 enough, you'd probably argue that the difference is trivial. When you're actually running an NFL team though, every small advantage counts. And if it doesn't, pretend like it does anyway. __________________ according to a source with knowledge of the situation.

02-29-2012, 08:18 AM	#3
30gut Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 3,323	Re: What is the 2nd overall pick worth? gp GT The media likes to blur the distinction between moving up X number of spots vs. moving up X number of spots to acquire the 1st over all. I don't think the Chargers-Giants trade is the actual bench mark because they traded up to the 1st overall spot.

02-29-2012, 04:15 PM	#5
iamsrk Registered User Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 22	Re: What is the 2nd overall pick worth? What is the 2nd overall pick worth? An arm and a leg.

02-29-2012, 08:25 AM	#8
dmek25 MVP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: lancaster,pa Age: 63 Posts: 10,672	Re: What is the 2nd overall pick worth? i like RG3 so much, and am so sick of mediocre QB play, that i trade this years and next years first. along with next years second for him. im not trading any players. when you lose a player, you have to fill that empty spot somehow. and the one thing that shanahan has done is make the redskins younger __________________ "It's better to be quiet and thought a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt." courtesy of 53fan

02-29-2012, 11:45 AM	#9
NYCskinfan82 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Queens, NYC Age: 56 Posts: 3,803	Re: What is the 2nd overall pick worth? IMO 2012 1st & 3rd, 2013 1st & 4th.

02-29-2012, 11:56 AM	#10
diehardskin2982 Another Year, another mess. Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,581	Re: What is the 2nd overall pick worth? It's not what the 2nd pick is worth. It's more a question of how much would you pay for a talent like RGIII at the QB position. Argueably with a legit QB last year we could have taken the east and got into the playoffs. I am hoping that the Redskins pay the price- what ever it takes to get their guy. I think its time to invest in a blue chip pospect at the QB position to groom into their system. Our version of a McNabb or Peyton that can last in the role for 10+ years. No more settling for second rate. __________________ That got ugly fast Last edited by diehardskin2982; 02-29-2012 at 11:58 AM.

02-29-2012, 12:29 PM	#15
SBXVII Franchise Player Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 7,766	Re: What is the 2nd overall pick worth? I love this. It's nice to see team over pay, but in reality.... the chart is just a guide and even then I think if there is a valuable player or someone several teams want it then becomes an auction. Basically put it's about supply and demand. What will the market allow. Which is another reason I'm not for trading up, we make this trade and then the presedence has been set for what it will take to trade up and then it becomes the source to look at as a guide. I personally think it's too much. If RGIII played in a pro system, had his mechanics somewhat down, had a good throwing motion, and only needed to work on his reading defenses then I might look at it differently, but thats not the case. RGIII might be a player with a ton of talent but the coaching staff will have a ton to work on prior to the season and I just don't think it's worth it for a player who's not a complete package. He's better then the rest left thats all. No one here would pay a Corvettes price for a Camaro that needs some engine work, needs new tires, needs its steering adjusted, and needs new headlights.

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