Tampering again - Jets this time

[bedlamVR]

Okay the deal is dead . They don't want to pay Coles anything really, and are now the Jets are huffing and puffing and saying we tampered with Santana ??? ESPN reports

They offered us Santana in a trade for Coles. This deal has been on and off again for days and now say they might go to the commish saying we put together a proposal for an extention on Moss should the deal be confirmed and they never gave permission to talk to him.

[e16bball]

Thats bullshit. I mean, in all honesty, I can't believe we didnt ask permission, but still. We clearly must've given them permission to talk to LC, how did it work that in return they didn't say go on ahead and talk to Santana?

Still, I'm getting kind of fed up with the Redskins allowing room for such accusations. I'm not saying they did or didn't tamper, I'm just saying come on, play it smart, go by the book. Very few teams get accused of such things, now we do 3 times in the last 2 years and twice in the last week.

[monk81]

When it rain it pours..............

[Paintrain]

If you read the latest Post article the Jets spoke to Coles as well so where do they get off accusing the Redskins of tampering?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

If you read the latest Post article the Jets spoke to Coles as well so where do they get off accusing the Redskins of tampering?

They had "permission"

[SmootSmack]

I think there's some team out there that Coles already has his eye on and I'd almost be willing to bet that team has spoken to Coles already, or his agent.

I think this is why Coles' reps apparently told the Jets that he'd hold out of training camp unless he got a new contract. I think his guys will tell that to any team that tries to trade for him, unless it's the team that he already has his eye on. But that's just me speculating

Speaking of tampering...I'm not accusing them but it sure seemed like the Bears signed MM awfully fast. I would have thought he'd test the market a bit more.

[SKINSnCANES]

theres no way this was tampering. There are quotes of Herm Edwards saying that if the deal doesnt go through that there are no hard feelings for Moss and wants him on the team. You dont say things like that if they wernt allowed to talk to him. The jets definitly want to do this trade. I hope we start hearing other teams offers in the next few days.

[offiss]

The Jet's are still stewing about our raid of their roster 2 year's ago, basically looking for a handout, now it just show's how ignorant their franchise is, how that organazation ever makes it into the playoff's is beyond me.

[sportscurmudgeon]

offiss:

The Jets are stewing over the Skins raiding their roster? Let's see if that makes sense.

Since the great Jetskins raid, the Redskins have won games last year and 5 games the year before that.

Since the great Jetskins raid, the Jets have been to the playoffs how many times? They've won how many games?

The Jets offensive line fell apart after Randy Thomas left; poor Curtis Martin couldn't gain any yardage.

The Jets surely missed Coles' ONE TD reception last year.

The Jets must really be chapped as Skins' fans sit here and revel in the glory of the Chad Morton era.

And of course there is always the week-to-week reliability of John Hall. I mean he is a reliable kicker and all that, but you can't rely on him to actually suit up for all the games.

Now that I think of it, I wonder why the Jets don't just withdraw from the NFL because it's obvious that the Skins screwed them over so badly that the team will never recover.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

offiss:

The Jets are stewing over the Skins raiding their roster? Let's see if that makes sense.

Since the great Jetskins raid, the Redskins have won games last year and 5 games the year before that.

Since the great Jetskins raid, the Jets have been to the playoffs how many times? They've won how many games?

The Jets offensive line fell apart after Randy Thomas left; poor Curtis Martin couldn't gain any yardage.

The Jets surely missed Coles' ONE TD reception last year.

The Jets must really be chapped as Skins' fans sit here and revel in the glory of the Chad Morton era.

And of course there is always the week-to-week reliability of John Hall. I mean he is a reliable kicker and all that, but you can't rely on him to actually suit up for all the games.

Now that I think of it, I wonder why the Jets don't just withdraw from the NFL because it's obvious that the Skins screwed them over so badly that the team will never recover.

So in other word's the jet's wouldn't be a better team or a super bowl contending team if they kept them? Cole's and Thomas wouldn't have made the Jet's better than they are?????? And they are so sure of this they want to reaquire Coles?????? Coles or Thomas couldn't have made a difference in the Steeler's game? Considering they are giving up their #1 reciever to RE-OBTAIN Cole's I think they just might. They may be glad that those player's haven't obtained success as a team, but they are still fuming over the fact they looked like fool's for letting those guy's go the way they did. That was a good post though I don't see anyway the Jet's could be mad at losing Hall, it's not like their kicker lost the Steeler game or anything.

I wonder if the Jet's would be willing to swap kicker's right now? Just a thought.

[Gmanc711]

Originally Posted by offiss

So in other word's the jet's wouldn't be a better team or a super bowl contending team if they kept them? Cole's and Thomas wouldn't have made the Jet's better than they are?????? And they are so sure of this they want to reaquire Coles?????? Coles or Thomas couldn't have made a difference in the Steeler's game? Considering they are giving up their #1 reciever to RE-OBTAIN Cole's I think they just might. They may be glad that those player's haven't obtained success as a team, but they are still fuming over the fact they looked like fool's for letting those guy's go the way they did. That was a good post though I don't see anyway the Jet's could be mad at losing Hall, it's not like their kicker lost the Steeler game or anything.

I wonder if the Jet's would be willing to swap kicker's right now? Just a thought.

I agree. The Jets became a worse team without those guys, even if we didnt become that much better with them. Say a guy like Portis goes to say the Cardinals and they go 5-11. Were far worse off without Portis, even though he didnt make another team that much better.

If John Hall was still on the Jets, they would have been in the AFC Title game this year.

[That Guy]

they replaced all 4 lost players, but given the choice i think they'd take them all back right now...

[That Guy]

you're argueing a different issue SC... he's saying would the jets be better off with those 4 players (and they would be better)... you're asking which team has won more games...

if we got 4 bad players on offense and add 2 good ones, we still could have 4 bad players... measuring W/L records on individual players is dumb cause of all the other pieces working around them...

[skinsfanthru&thru]

I find it very hard to believe that two teams having very serious talks of trading one player for another would not give eash other permision to speak to the other team's player or that player's agent. Especially when one of the players being traded is in the last year of his contract. This just seems like the Jets acting like whiny little punks who aren't getting a very good wr for a guy they were going to demote to 3rd string. I too believe they still have some animosity for how the Morton and Coles situations wound up a couple years ago. on a side note, I know I 4 one was really excited Morton was awarded to us that year but looking back on what we gave up and how much he's been paid, I kind of wish we had lost that battle.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by That Guy

you're argueing a different issue SC... he's saying would the jets be better off with those 4 players (and they would be better)... you're asking which team has won more games...

if we got 4 bad players on offense and add 2 good ones, we still could have 4 bad players... measuring W/L records on individual players is dumb cause of all the other pieces working around them...

Trust me don't waste your time TG believe me.