Why the media doesn't believe in Gibbs

[GoSkins!]

Has anyone else here noticed the obvious disconnect between what Gibbs thinks it takes for a team to win and what the "experts" think it takes for a team to win.

Gibbs always sites:

• Character
• Mental Toughness
• Team attitude
• Smarts
• Fight
• Faith

Experts always site:

• Matchups
• Records
• Statistics
• Specific Players

In other words, experts look strictly at the tangables, Gibbs looks for the things that can't be readily measured. That is why I don't think some people will ever get why Gibbs is so successful, that is until they notice he is winning.

[wilsowilso]

I completely agree. What really makes me mad is that they seem to have forgotten his great reads during a game and his famous adjustments. It's more than just looking at those gameday pictures on the sidelines and saying wow that was so wide open on that last play. It's knowing what will be open five plays down the line. He is begining to layer his offense and that sets teams up for something unexpected. Last year he just didn't have them guessing, but this year I see a big change.

[SUNRA]

Well I went to bed watching Coach Gibbs on NFL Network and awaken to see the segment about the future of Lavar. It is clear to me, that the so-called critiques are cautiously discussing the 3-0 winning streak while adding the negative propaganda to create a division within the Redskin camp. This like all of the other silly schemes will not hide the fact that the Redskins played one of the most disciplined games in team history. 2 penalties for 10yds. is a testament to the prepardness of Coach Gibbs and his staff.

[#56fanatic]

Everyone is making a big deal out of LaVar. Fact is we are playing great D without him. We did last year, and so far this year we are too. I know we could probably be that much better with LaVar on the field, trust I would LOVE to have #56 crushing people. Williams knows more about defence and player personal in the tip of his little finger that all of us do combined. In the Washington Post this morning, Greg said LaVar is progressing and will PROBABLY see more playing time this weekend. We all have to understand that the coaches have not been able to view LaVAr on the field the last two seasons. They may be going on what they see from previous game film. We all know LaVar is a stud and should be playing, but its very clear he isn't going to touch the field until Williams and Gibbs feel he's not going to give up a big play and is ALWAYS going to be where he is supposed to be. prediction, Skins 27-14.

[FRPLG]

Gibbs is old school. In the old school things like character and toughness were deal makers. Because there was no free agency each team was much more coordinated and on the same page. Even the bad teams played together and knwe what they were suppose to do. They ahd all played together for longer and could be more cohesive. This made intangibles like toughness the characteristics that made the difference between winning and losing. Today in the new school free agency vastly reduces this amount of preparedness and chemistry. This has the result of making pure talent somewhat more important since a lack of it can't be hidden in preparedness. I think the characteristics that Gibbs desires are still important to winning but talent plays a bigger role now than it use to and I think Gibbs has faced that fact. This team has been by all accounts overrated talent-wise for some time. It is only now that Gibbs and Williams have worked together to increase the talent base while simultaneously ridding themselves of those who didn't have the toughnes and positive energy to help produce a winner. It shows in close wins. At least that's what I think.

[Kope]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Gibbs is old school. In the old school things like character and toughness were deal makers. Because there was no free agency each team was much more coordinated and on the same page. Even the bad teams played together and knwe what they were suppose to do. They ahd all played together for longer and could be more cohesive. This made intangibles like toughness the characteristics that made the difference between winning and losing. Today in the new school free agency vastly reduces this amount of preparedness and chemistry. This has the result of making pure talent somewhat more important since a lack of it can't be hidden in preparedness. I think the characteristics that Gibbs desires are still important to winning but talent plays a bigger role now than it use to and I think Gibbs has faced that fact. This team has been by all accounts overrated talent-wise for some time. It is only now that Gibbs and Williams have worked together to increase the talent base while simultaneously ridding themselves of those who didn't have the toughnes and positive energy to help produce a winner. It shows in close wins. At least that's what I think.

I have kind of seen things the opposite. I think with players changing over so fast it is now a coaches league - before you could stock pile players who were great. Now you have to coach w/ what you have- which is why I think Gibbs old school character, discipline and hard work will be hard to beat. But what I think makes him special is how he gets folks to believe.

[wheeler]

Originally Posted by Kope

I have kind of seen things the opposite. I think with players changing over so fast it is now a coaches league - before you could stock pile players who were great. Now you have to coach w/ what you have- which is why I think Gibbs old school character, discipline and hard work will be hard to beat. But what I think makes him special is how he gets folks to believe.

i believe,wer'e gonna kick in some horse teeth.........what a upset...it's good to believe your gonna win against a team your not supposed to,i haven't felt like this in a long time....it's great except i cant fickin sleep.............

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Gibbs is old school. In the old school things like character and toughness were deal makers. Because there was no free agency each team was much more coordinated and on the same page. Even the bad teams played together and knwe what they were suppose to do. They ahd all played together for longer and could be more cohesive. This made intangibles like toughness the characteristics that made the difference between winning and losing. Today in the new school free agency vastly reduces this amount of preparedness and chemistry. This has the result of making pure talent somewhat more important since a lack of it can't be hidden in preparedness. I think the characteristics that Gibbs desires are still important to winning but talent plays a bigger role now than it use to and I think Gibbs has faced that fact. This team has been by all accounts overrated talent-wise for some time. It is only now that Gibbs and Williams have worked together to increase the talent base while simultaneously ridding themselves of those who didn't have the toughnes and positive energy to help produce a winner. It shows in close wins. At least that's what I think.

Good post F,
The media and many coach's/owners cannot understand why year after year, they suck! Forever, they Suck! Naturally, there are many reasons why this is so. The Skins are a good example of that. Radical changes every year. No core group of REDSKINS, no loyalty, no cohesion, no success. Dan was doing what he thought was right as he is a new school guy as well. He forgot what Gibbs says is the most important component-character! Joe is building an anomaly, a TEAM that will (pretty much) stick together year after year. Not without impact from free agency, but a TEAM of guys who would rather stay together-if possible. A team where the departure of a player or two is not a catastrophie. Where a player cannot hold the team for ransom because of his talent level to the team. Check out GW and his D. We all went hysterical with the departure of Champ, Fred, Pierce, etc. Greg said , NO PROBLEM. A team of men of character who would rather win another Super bowl than move on. IMO, that is much of the success in New England. These concepts are foreign in atheletes today, but Joe is making it work. It is just the beginning, and one cannot argue with the results that have already been seen. It's great! Joe knows!

[4mrusmc]

It's mostly about heart and smarts

[skinsguy]

Free agency is actually something that I believe works in Gibbs' favor. I think by Gibbs just being purely "Old School" is a negative thing in the eyes of the media. The media wants to push whatever is new and fresh....the very presence of Gibbs in the NFL pisses the media off...and I think that is just awesome! No matter how much stock one puts in stats, individual players, contacts.....it always comes back to the basic things..play smart, put for 110% effort, fight for every yard gained. Those are the things old school coaches like Joe Gibbs or Mike Dikta like to focus on.

[SUNRA]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

Free agency is actually something that I believe works in Gibbs' favor. I think by Gibbs just being purely "Old School" is a negative thing in the eyes of the media. The media wants to push whatever is new and fresh....the very presence of Gibbs in the NFL pisses the media off...and I think that is just awesome! No matter how much stock one puts in stats, individual players, contacts.....it always comes back to the basic things..play smart, put for 110% effort, fight for every yard gained. Those are the things old school coaches like Joe Gibbs or Mike Dikta like to focus on.

I read somewhere that the Redskins had 26 free agents in the 1982-83 Supebowl season. The most to play in any Superbowl at that time. So Joe Gibbs has adjusted pretty well so far.

[jamf]

guys, if the teams we faced had made all their field goals, we would be 0-3. thats why we shouldnt be making plans for detroit.

I liked what i saw out of the offence last game. but they need to be more physical on offence to play "Gibbs Football". we arent pounding the ball. the line (which has played great) still doesnt dominate on run plays.

[Cooley 350Z]

Originally Posted by jamf

guys, if the teams we faced had made all their field goals, we would be 0-3. thats why we shouldnt be making plans for detroit.

I liked what i saw out of the offence last game. but they need to be more physical on offence to play "Gibbs Football". we arent pounding the ball. the line (which has played great) still doesnt dominate on run plays.

This seems like backwards thinking to me. If we are going to analyze every missed field goal by our opponents, then let's also analyze every field goal we've missed as well as the should be touchdowns we've had called back (i.e. Cooley vs. Chicago, Moss vs. Seattle.) The offense in my opinion is improving exponentially every game if you look at the end of last season/preseason/even vs. chicago. I'm by no means banking on Detroit, but I am feeling good about my team for the first time in a long time.

[GoSkins!]

Originally Posted by Cooley 350Z

If we are going to analyze every missed field goal by our opponents, then let's also analyze every field goal we've missed as well

Exactly. Good teams make the plays when they need them most. Moss against Dallas this year, Novak...

Remember that it was Riggins on 4th down breaking free and running into history that started the Gibbs legend. What if Miami stuffed him?

[SKINSnCANES]

Originally Posted by jamf

guys, if the teams we faced had made all their field goals, we would be 0-3. thats why we shouldnt be making plans for detroit.

I liked what i saw out of the offence last game. but they need to be more physical on offence to play "Gibbs Football". we arent pounding the ball. the line (which has played great) still doesnt dominate on run plays.

I agree completly. But I also think we are heading in the right direction. Luck made us 3-0. But the discipline, lack of penalaties, and consistent improvement will get us some more wins as well.