Report: Grossman Starting on Sunday

[mlmdub130]

Originally Posted by WilbursHomie

They keep saying on the news how Shanahan wasn't happy with how McNabb had picked up his offense which is obviously true and I'm sure he could have done better but it just seems to me that Shanahan seems a little to set in his ways as far as scheme's go. I mean if it takes nothing short of a 9 time pro bowler, all decade QB, maybe the greatest passer of all time to fully grasp your system, maybe you need to dumb it down a little so that your every day, run of the mill 6 time pro bowler can figure it out and perform. And I don't care which defense we run, a 4-3, a 3-4, each can be just as effective but why would you choose the one that then needs an entire personnel change. Plenty of teams win super bowls in a 4-3. Just kind of seems like common sense. It would be a lot easier to rebuild an offense with an already strong defense and vice versus. Just a thought.

it does doesn't it

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by Shadowbyte

Are you serious? McNabb is 2nd in the NFC in passing yards. How you can say that he's played like sh*t? The entire team has played like sh*t, there's nothing a QB can do when there's a severe lacking in playmakers.

I can't imagine someone telling a RB, you're having a terrible year, despite him being second in the NFC rushing. Telling a LB he sucks, despite him being second in the NFC in tackles, or telling a passrusher he sucks despite him being # 2 in the NFC in sacks. This is a team game, Shannahan is looking for a scapegoat, looks like that mission is accomplished.

Very misleading statistic.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by Shadowbyte

Are you serious? McNabb is 2nd in the NFC in passing yards. How you can say that he's played like sh*t? The entire team has played like sh*t, there's nothing a QB can do when there's a severe lacking in playmakers.

I can't imagine someone telling a RB, you're having a terrible year, despite him being second in the NFC rushing. Telling a LB he sucks, despite him being second in the NFC in tackles, or telling a passrusher he sucks despite him being # 2 in the NFC in sacks. This is a team game, Shannahan is looking for a scapegoat, looks like that mission is accomplished.

In your analysis did you want to include the:
58% Completion Percentage
14 TD
15 INT
77% QB rating
???

[Longtimefan]

Grossman's reaction to having the opportunity to start on Sunday.

CSNwashington.com: Washington Redskins Video

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Gmanc711

I'd rather trade up somehow for Luck, or take Newton... I do NOT want Locker, I know that much.

Newton is basically Tim Tebow 2.0, albeit Tebow with better throwing mechanics, and no one in position to draft Luck will be stupid enough to let another team trade up to select him. Luck is easily the best QB prospect to come along in the past decade. Weather or not he becomes the best QB in the next decade remains to be seen but as a prospect very few players even come close.

I do understand your reservations about Locker though. I myself have mixed emotions and feel that Mallet would probably be the safer pick. If anything Mallet reminds me a lot of Schuab. Locker on the other hand doesn't really have a comparable NFL counterpart seeing as how I can't think of anyone with a strong arm and amazing straight line speed while lacking in agility.

Originally Posted by Hog1

In your analysis did you want to include the:
58% Completion Percentage
14 TD
15 INT
77% QB rating
???

To be fair two of those INT's came on end of first half Hail Mary passes.

Originally Posted by saden1

Fck all the other QBs...I want Kellen Moore! I would seriously draft him #1 overall! And if we are talking future QB selection then I'd like to have Aaron Murray for Georgia.

Kellen Moore will be lucky to be a fifth round pick in 2012. It's best to think of him like you would Ken Dorsey, Jason White, Colt Brenan, or Chris Weinke. He's a great college QB but any team that relied on him to be their franchise QB would likely find themselves drafting early and often.

[GTripp0012]

Carolina, Arizona, Minnesota, San Francisco, and Seattle are the teams that don't have a quarterback or future quarterback on their roster right now.

Washington, Miami, Tennessee, Cincinnati, and maybe Buffalo are the teams that have a starting caliber QB, but want a new one for whatever reason.

Then the "available" veterans next year will include Kyle Orton, Vince Young, Donovan McNabb, Chad Henne, Carson Palmer, and maybe Ryan Fitzpatrick, with Kevin Kolb likely being unavailable in Philadelphia.

I would rank the six QBs as follows:

1. Young
2. Henne
3. McNabb
4. Palmer
5. Orton
6. Fitzpatrick

But I think all six are capable NFL starters. Would you be interested in any of them as a short term solution?

[mlmdub130]

anyone catch the local nbc news tonight, i love jim vance, that dude is the best. lindsay said you have to start from the bottom up, and vance responded or the top down and lindsay looked scared for her life(she was at redksin park). gotta love it

[Beemnseven]

"I’m told locker room is divided and guys are extremely upset," Johnson wrote.

Oh yeah? Well tough effing sh*t. The locker room doesn't run the show anymore.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

I do understand your reservations about Locker though. I myself have mixed emotions and feel that Mallet would probably be the safer pick. If anything Mallet reminds me a lot of Schuab. Locker on the other hand doesn't really have a comparable NFL counterpart seeing as how I can't think of anyone with a strong arm and amazing straight line speed while lacking in agility..

I don't think the Mallett/Locker thing is about safe/unsafe. I think you know exactly what you are getting in Jake Locker based on what he did in college. For a team whose ultimate aspiration is to some day be .500, well, Locker just proved he can do that. Disaster games and all.

You know what, check this out:

Jay Cutler Statistics | College Football at Sports-Reference.com

Jake Locker Statistics | College Football at Sports-Reference.com

Those are probably the two most similar draft prospects in history. One does appear to be clearly better than the other, but those were very similar supporting casts in very similar environments.

And, you know, Mike Shanahan and such.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Between the week 8 benching in Detroit, the piss poor clock management, the Haynesworth ordeal, and now this, I'd say they already look like idiots. And according to Kelli Johnson, MS has lost the locker room.

Sweet. Our latest "savior" only took 13 weeks to lose the team.
I'm beside myself right now. This is just the cherry on top of a blunder-filled season.

Oh well -- the locker room can lose MS all they want. If that's the case, then they'll be gone lickety-split.

If you ask me, it's about damn time this locker room was told who's boss.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Very misleading statistic.

He hit a lot of big plays, gotta at least give him credit for that, but he's been too much of an all or nothing QB. Lack of consistency did him in.

[mlmdub130]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Oh well -- the locker room can lose MS all they want. If that's the case, then they'll be gone lickety-split.

If you ask me, it's about damn time this locker room was told who's boss.

yeah thats the spirit tell the entire team they all ****ing suck! mike and kyle are all we need!!!!! :/

it's not about the players running the team it's about a coexistance, you have to have a good coach player relationship to win. if a player doesn't trust the coach why the hell would he play as hard as he can for him. the coaches have to gain the trust of the locker room and have the players rally behind them.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

He hit a lot of big plays, gotta at least give him credit for that, but he's been too much of an all or nothing QB. Lack of consistency did him in.

The "consistent" element/engine of the passing offense has exclusively belonged to Santana Moss this year. Not surprising, the offense has gone as Moss has. When he's catching the ball, it's productive. When he goes away, there's no plan B. It's an all or nothing down the field throw to Armstrong or a TE.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Carolina, Arizona, Minnesota, San Francisco, and Seattle are the teams that don't have a quarterback or future quarterback on their roster right now.

Washington, Miami, Tennessee, Cincinnati, and maybe Buffalo are the teams that have a starting caliber QB, but want a new one for whatever reason.

Then the "available" veterans next year will include Kyle Orton, Vince Young, Donovan McNabb, Chad Henne, Carson Palmer, and maybe Ryan Fitzpatrick, with Kevin Kolb likely being unavailable in Philadelphia.

I would rank the six QBs as follows:

1. Young
2. Henne
3. McNabb
4. Palmer
5. Orton
6. Fitzpatrick

But I think all six are capable NFL starters. Would you be interested in any of them as a short term solution?

Henne and Palmer are NOT ahead of Orton imo, maybe not even Fitzpatrick

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by mlmdub130

yeah thats the spirit tell the entire team they all ****ing suck! mike and kyle are all we need!!!!! :/

it's not about the players running the team it's about a coexistance, you have to have a good coach player relationship to win. if a player doesn't trust the coach why the hell would he play as hard as he can for him. the coaches have to gain the trust of the locker room and have the players rally behind them.

Shanahan is benching someone who hasn't performed well.

Oh! The horror!

And now the crybabies who have run the asylum for years are whining about it? As someone correctly pointed out earlier in the thread, half the locker room needs to be shitcanned anyway. Shanahan can build up all the "trust" he wants, but if the guys can't play -- which this season and last season have clearly shown -- then what good is it?