The everything Gruden thread

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by mredskins

Shannon Sharpe offers the ultimate RGIII take - The Washington Post

Very interesting.

So has RGIII been working as hard as we thought he has been?

I agree with that 100%. Too many people up here brushed aside his commercials and endorsements in the beginning. Well, they are very much related to how dedicated he is to football. Then again, Robert thought "practice was much harder than games" back in 2012. Robert was too busy acting like a superstar instead of actually becoming one.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Nobody said or implied the fanbase was to blame in any of this. What was simply said is Dan Snyder is very much like our fanbase.

1) He's irrational and makes hasty decisions
2) He doesn't understand how to run an organization
3) Ideas suggested generally end up a disaster
4) Always chasing the "big name"

OK. I stand corrected on the blame issue.

However, you did say that our fan base is very much like Dan Snyder and because of that they "deserve" the inept owner of the Redskins. I disagree.

I don't think that Redskins fans are any different than the fans of any other NFL team. I think most NFL fans are more emotional than rational about their teams. Redskins fans don't deserve to lose because they are like Dan Snyder any more than Patriots fans deserve to win because they are not like Robert Kraft. On the other hand, Dan Snyder may deserve to lose because he runs his organization like a typical NFL fan would run it.

I'd like to think that Redskins fans deserve a better owner but the fact is we have Dan Snyder and there is nothing we can do about it.

[VTSkins1961]

I'll agree with that Bucket and go so far to say instead of "or" it should be "and" but when a coach comes in and the players don't fit he should adapt until he gets the players via draft or free agency that fits his scheme

Originally Posted by Bucket

OOOOOrrrrrrrr

Good coaches draft players in to their systems that fit. After having a few years....

It works both ways.

[KI Skins Fan]

It takes a gifted Head Coach to be able to adapt his system to the players he inherited and win with them versus rebuilding with players who better fit his system. There are only a small number of great Head Coaches who have been able to do that. Don Shula and Joe Gibbs are two of them. I know there are some others but, because I'm old and the memory is the second thing to go, I can't think of any more names right now.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by VTSkins1961

Haz must go and we must go back to the 4-3. The 3-4 has failed us. Most of our players would be better in a 4-3. Question is where to you play Kerrigan DE or LB or you could play him at both depending on the situation.. Rak - resign little more than vet min with incentives as a DE and if he doesn't accept let him walk....

I like the idea of going to a 4-3.

Kerrigan was an outstanding 4-3 DE in college. Would he need to put on weight to play DE in the pros?

The rookie from Stanford looks like he has the frame to be a DE in the pros.

To me, paying near vet min for Orakpo doesn't seem to be realistic. Somebody is going to pay him more than that. The injury issues are still there with him but I think he could be a solid 4-3 DE.

We've got people who either have or could do a good job as a DT in a 4-3, IMO.

I'm not nearly as concerned about our DL personnel as most other posters seem to be but i could be wrong.

[Paintrain]

Not gonna lie, I was happy with the Gruden selection (maybe happy is a stretch but I liked him best of all that interviewed) but I've been very disappointed.

In his first 12 games he's amassed a Pettibon like record and decided not one but TWO of the QB on the roster aren't fits for him and we're starting a 5th year retread. Even if McCoy goes 3-2 down the stretch, does anyone feel comfortable with him as a starter going into the offseason program? If you believe in sudden career resurrections in today's NFL, please see McCown, Josh.

This team needs a complete reboot and I don't think that the combination of Snyder/Allen/Gruden can effectively do it. Although that's mainly an indictment of Allen the most but they are all buddies so this sh*tshow will remain in place for a couple of years.

I've never been more apathetic about a Skins team. I watch on Sundays just because there are only 16 Sundays a year I can see my team but without a true care if they win or lose at this point. I can't guarantee that I'll be any more interested going forward until there are major philosophical changes up top and there's a football guy running the show without connection to the sidelines or owners box.

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I agree with that 100%. Too many people up here brushed aside his commercials and endorsements in the beginning. Well, they are very much related to how dedicated he is to football. Then again, Robert thought "practice was much harder than games" back in 2012. Robert was too busy acting like a superstar instead of actually becoming one.

How can doing commercials equal less dedication to the team? Would Troy Polumalu, Aaron Rodgers (discount doublecheck!), and Peyton Manning be more devoted to their teams if they didn't do commercials?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by HailGreen28

How can doing commercials equal less dedication to the team? Would Troy Polumalu, Aaron Rodgers (discount doublecheck!), and Peyton Manning be more devoted to their teams if they didn't do commercials?

Yeah I still don't think it's a big deal either.

Sharpe brings up some valid points but doing commercials is probably the last thing to be concerned about.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by HailGreen28

How can doing commercials equal less dedication to the team? Would Troy Polumalu, Aaron Rodgers (discount doublecheck!), and Peyton Manning be more devoted to their teams if they didn't do commercials?

When Robert was kickin it in 2012...who cared then about Subway...etc? When you struggle or are not winning, many people focus on stupid...BS

[skinsfan69]

Nothing wrong with being on tv if you're backing it up on the field. Not the case with Griffin. I'm sure "RG3" has worn thin on his teammates. Very telling that he wasn't voted captain by his teammates. Probably pretty rare for a starting QB not to have that status. To me that says a lot.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

OK. I stand corrected on the blame issue.

However, you did say that our fan base is very much like Dan Snyder and because of that they "deserve" the inept owner of the Redskins. I disagree.

I don't think that Redskins fans are any different than the fans of any other NFL team. I think most NFL fans are more emotional than rational about their teams. Redskins fans don't deserve to lose because they are like Dan Snyder any more than Patriots fans deserve to win because they are not like Robert Kraft. On the other hand, Dan Snyder may deserve to lose because he runs his organization like a typical NFL fan would run it.

I'd like to think that Redskins fans deserve a better owner but the fact is we have Dan Snyder and there is nothing we can do about it.

There are plenty of teams out there that do poorly without having an owner like Snyder.

IMO, the problem lies with the people he hired to run the team such as Bruce Allen and Mike Shanahan, which ironically a lot of people (back when they were first hired) would consider them to be "football people".

So we have gone from terrible yes-men (Cerrato) to "football people" that have failed miserably (Shanahan and Allen), and that's why we've ended up where we are right now.

The problem will not go away if Sndyer goes away, look at the Raiders and how they've fared after Al Davis' passing. The problem will go away when Snyder hires the right person to run the team. It is obvious now that he has hired the wrong person twice (yet many of us were okay with these hiring before).

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by HailGreen28

How can doing commercials equal less dedication to the team? Would Troy Polumalu, Aaron Rodgers (discount doublecheck!), and Peyton Manning be more devoted to their teams if they didn't do commercials?

For starters, all three of those guys didn't do commercials until they were a proven commodity. Robert was making commercials long before the season even begin. It's one thing if you have your shit together, and have your game tight. This isn't the case, and it shows. All the time focused on your "branding" and marketing should have been spent making yourself a better football player. Something that Peyton had to do early in his career.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

For starters, all three of those guys didn't do commercials until they were a proven commodity. Robert was making commercials long before the season even begin. It's one thing if you have your shit together, and have your game tight. This isn't the case, and it shows. All the time focused on your "branding" and marketing should have been spent making yourself a better football player. Something that Peyton had to do early in his career.

People really need to get over this crap.

[Rotten1980]

If the franchise already decided to part ways with RG then I wish him all the best with his next team. And I hope McCoy is our great comeback story instead. Still dislike Grudens handling of the QB situation, not to mention the whole team this season. Gruden couldn't have done any worse up to this point, but I want to stay positive and think McCoy perfectly fits whatever Gruden is trying to do with the offense.

[ethat001]

“I felt like last week early in the game, I wasn’t getting the call in until 20, 25 seconds, then getting everybody up to the line, trying to see the defense and make adjustments on the line of scrimmage on the road.” McCoy said. “That’s just tough to do.”

Avoiding third and long is McCoy’s priority Sunday against St. Louis - The Washington Post

Seems like Colt was implying Gruden was sending the calls in late... Hope that was an isolated thing..