Kornheiser believes Skins would make run at Moss

Gmanc711 · 01-17-2005, 11:05 PM

We dont have the money to pay his 7.5 cap hit next year. Plain and Simple, Randy Moss will not be a Washington Redskin next year.

TheMalcolmConnection · 01-17-2005, 11:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smootsmack

That's not a bad call. But I can see Moss getting upset with Kyle Boller really fast

Definitely...

I can see Randy bitch-slapping the sheyot out of Boller.

Redskins8588 · 01-17-2005, 11:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shane

Collecting talent doesnt make for a successful team.

Gibbs calls the shots now, not Snyder. Gibbs will not go for Moss. Moss is far too much of a self-centered person. No one Gibbs has been around compares to Moss in this way - because Gibbs doesn't let people like that on his teams. Dexter Manley and John Riggins were pussycats in comparison.

Team oriented spirit is what makes for team success. The approach of going after stars doesn't work.

You mean to say that Dexter Manley and John Riggins are pussycats compared to the likes of Randy Moss? Appaerntly you havent heard the stories about those two. If anything it is deffinetly the other way around, Moss is a kitten compared to the likes of those two!!!!

BleedBurgundy · 01-18-2005, 12:03 AM

Wow. I kept expecting to see a Sports Curmudgeon response to this thread, but apparently, no dice. For my part, anyone who thinks that the price for Mr. Moss will be less than a king's ransom is not well connected with reality. Quick, who's the best receiver in the game? What's the first name that jumped into your heads? About a third of you said TO, another third said Moss, with the remaining third a mixed bag. Love him or hate him, Randy Moss changes any game he plays in. You HAVE to gameplan around him and make stopping #84 the cornerstone of your defensive plans that week. That's unquestionable. We will not get Moss in free agency because of several factors:

1. It's a bad idea from a character standpoint. Coach Gibbs likes character, and highly motivated individuals. Randy Moss doesn't present either of those qualities in any recognizable quantity. As long as Gibbs has personnel control/majority say, Moss doesn't come to DC unless it's for a road game. Period.

2. What the hell are we going to give up for him? The face of our defense, even if he is a little overrated in LaVar? The one guy who has been behind the franchise the whole time he's been here in some horrible conditions? Nah. What about the stud RB we just gave up our perennial pro bowl CB and a 2nd round pick for? Hmmm, probably not. Better yet, Gardner, who's hands are so obviously made out of stone that they could have been crafted by Michelangelo? Not feeling that one either. Oh, I know, DRAFT PICKS. Yes, let's mortgage our future for a loose cannon that can be as deadly to his own team as to the opposition. Please.

3. Portis signed such a large contract with us that, for a time, he was the highest paid back. LaVar isn't far from the highest paid LB. Moss will be the highest paid WR for most of the rest of his career. How many big money players can we realistically carry? Snyder has done an admirable job of financial juggling but I'm quite sure that even his talents have limits.

4. Turnover is killing this franchise. Over and over and over again, we see what happens from constant change. NO PLAYOFFS. While Moss himself would only be one added player, figure with that the players that would need to be traded and the shift in locker room leadership that would take place. He would disrupt a team that has only now started to get some stability. Why would you want that?

This team has a HOF head coach. We've got a serviceable qb, a great young rb, a gutsy WR who needs to heal, a nice halfback in Cooley and an improving o-line. Our Defense was ranked #3 while missing some key starters last year. Why do we seem to be thinking that personnel is the area needing improvement? We have the bases covered. This team is NOT that far away. Especially not in our conference. Moss is the type of gamble that a team needs to take when it does not have any other chance of success or when it is so stable that a little distraction will not be deadly. We are neither of those scenarios. What we have going needs time to grow and knee jerk reactions will kill it.

Shane · 01-18-2005, 03:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Redskins8588

You mean to say that Dexter Manley and John Riggins are pussycats compared to the likes of Randy Moss? Appaerntly you havent heard the stories about those two. If anything it is deffinetly the other way around, Moss is a kitten compared to the likes of those two!!!!

Well, I mean that you dont see Riggins faking pulling down his pants after scoring or Dexter Manley walking off the field early, etc.

Moss behaves without a lot of dignity in cases like that, but as I think about it, the way he is appeased probably leads him to get his ego inflated all the more and makes him more likely to do stuff like that. Vikings know that there are "Moss rules" and the rules for everyone else - and that is a joke. But no doubt the way Moss acts is in significant part due to the b.s. way they appease him.

Luxorreb · 01-18-2005, 04:42 AM

I don't believe Moss will end up a Redskin. Too much cash and Gibbs believe in a team. By that I mean team building on what he's got and adding to without breaking the 'brunell' bank. I must say here that I don't believe Randy Moss is incapable of being on a team. He is a great player with incredible ability and someone that's been leaned on by his team for most of his career.
I'm truly saddened by the unconcious or otherwise effect the MEDIA has on you people concerning Randy Moss. Was his fake moon really dispicable? There was no flag? I think of dispicable as a flagrant head to head, forearm to head, spearing a downed player, kicking someone, etc. Think about it if the media was as it is now back when Manley and Riggins were playing the whole Gibbs' character integrity thing would probably not exist today. You don't think we wouldn't have to hear dipshits on espn or sports radio rant over and over about Riggins being loaded talking shit to Sandra Day O'Conner? Or Dexter's inability to read and love for cocaine? Come on people! The media has influenced this bs. Randy Moss may not be perfect, but he is far from evil and a damage to the NFL. I'm not necessarily in favor of him being a Redskin. He is a great player and does get stupid sometimes. But his stupidity doesn't end up costing the Vikings as many yards as our OL. And Randy Moss had 17 TD's in the regular season. Let him fake moon whoever he wants if he's rolling like that! Are you people crazy? Coles and Moss on the field? That wouldn't be good? Gimme that shit youre smoking!

Shane · 01-18-2005, 05:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luxorreb

Randy Moss may not be perfect, but he is far from evil and a damage to the NFL. I'm not necessarily in favor of him being a Redskin. He is a great player and does get stupid sometimes. But his stupidity doesn't end up costing the Vikings as many yards as our OL. And Randy Moss had 17 TD's in the regular season. Let him fake moon whoever he wants if he's rolling like that! Are you people crazy? Coles and Moss on the field? That wouldn't be good? Gimme that shit youre smoking!

Randy Moss is extremely immature and pampered. The Vikings can't go anywhere as a team because to keep Moss in line they have set up a whole set of special rules for him and another set of rules for everyone else. With that sort of division, there is no way in the world the Vikings could be expected to play far into the postseason in this league. When you deal with Moss types, those are the kind of things that can happen. Or in Tampa, you have an intolerant approach toward players perceived as divisive and you get the same disruptive results.

We want a winning team that we can respect, a team based on cooperation and unity. We are building that here, like they have in New England apparently - and that precludes bringing in people just due to their talent, in my view.

If you feel like Philly did with Owens that a player might be overrated as a troublemaker and can be brought under control, maybe you roll the dice and hope that you get rewarded for the risk. With Moss, he seems so outrageously self-centered that I don't think it is worth it. He would be such a drain and a distraction - far worse than whatever touchdowns he catches most likely.

Luxorreb · 01-18-2005, 06:13 AM

I don't disagree with ya Shane that a cancer can cause problems. But Moss isn't the reason the Vikings didn't continue in the playoffs. And honestly I'd be content with Moss on my team. Moss probably would too. Did the Redskins offense score 17 TD's this year? I'll add again that I don't think Moss as a Redskin next season is probable.

Daseal · 01-18-2005, 08:33 AM

I also don't think it's probable, but for arguments sake whether I want him or not, I do.

Quote:

The approach of going after stars doesn't work.

What do you call Clinton Portis? He's a self-loving young star. We got him, he has the typical Miami attitude. Same thing with Sean Taylor. He's yet to become a star, but he'll get there.

Luxorreb · 01-18-2005, 08:37 AM

can't argue w/ stats unless you're talking about HOF status!

FRPLG · 01-18-2005, 08:51 AM

This was discussed about a week ago and I was in favor of getting him. I have changed my mind. Although I don't think he is nearly the problem that most people think he is I do think he brings far too much baggage to the table. He is villified by every sportscaster and we really don't need the distraction.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daseal

You really think with Fitz, Boldin, and 1-2 other 1st round WRs down in Arizona that they'll go after Moss? Hell, Marcel Shipp is a great back down there in Arizona. I'd be suprised if they gave up what's necessary for Moss.

I'd also be suprised not to see either Bennett, Smith, or both dealt for some defense.

You're crazy if you think Green wouldn't trade Bouldin and a DL for Moss. Bouldin wasn't drafted by Green I don't think. Now Fitz aint going no where but I think they'd trade for Moss in about half a second.

Also...have you seen Shipp??? First off he is somewhat injury prone and second off he definitly is not the answer. Shipp is not a feature back in this league while Bennett when healthy is a capable feature back.

Daseal · 01-18-2005, 09:11 AM

FRPLG, what I'm saying is Arizona has other pressing needs than a WR. They have three very good WR's, in my opinion. Shipp was hurt this year, but I feel he is a capable back and could carry the load for Arizona by himself. Arizona needs line help, along with a little help on defense and they'll be a good team. It would suprise me if they're willing to pay/trade what they'd have to to get Moss.

celts32 · 01-18-2005, 09:20 AM

I vote no on Moss, but not becasue I think he is to big of a distraction to win with. I vote no becasue the Redskins have proven that big free agent splashes do not work for them. It's time to do it another way.

As for Moss, if he is such a cancer then why did the Vikings downfall start when he was out with an injury.

MTK · 01-18-2005, 09:49 AM

There's no denying the impact he would have on the field, there's also no denying the impact he would have off it as well.

Whether it's the media's fault or not, Moss is a distraction. The fact that the Vikings are considering dealing away the most dangerous WR in the game is telling, and it's definitely not all financial reasons. They're tired of his antics and they're tired of the distractions.

From him walking off the field to mooning the crowd to making wise ass comments about his fine, he's always drawing attention away from the team. As much as the rest of the team tries to say the right things and cover up for him, you can't tell me behind the scenes his teammates aren't tired of him.

FRPLG · 01-18-2005, 10:06 AM

We'll have to disagree on Shipp. Green will jump at a chance to bring in Moss. We're not talking about a slight upgrade here. Moss is far better than Bouldin and Fitz...that is saying a lot but it is true. Green will think he can control Moss and Moss gives Arz an immediate offense and could make McCown look like a real QB. If they have the bullets he is a Cardinal next year.

View Poll Results: If the price was right, would you want Randy Moss on the 'Skins?
Yes	19	33.93%
No	37	66.07%
Voters: 56. You may not vote on this poll

01-17-2005, 11:05 PM	#31
Gmanc711 Thank You, Sean. Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Gaithersburg, MD Age: 39 Posts: 7,506	We dont have the money to pay his 7.5 cap hit next year. Plain and Simple, Randy Moss will not be a Washington Redskin next year. __________________ #21

01-18-2005, 04:42 AM	#36
Luxorreb ^21^ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Richmond, Virginia Age: 53 Posts: 1,630	I don't believe Moss will end up a Redskin. Too much cash and Gibbs believe in a team. By that I mean team building on what he's got and adding to without breaking the 'brunell' bank. I must say here that I don't believe Randy Moss is incapable of being on a team. He is a great player with incredible ability and someone that's been leaned on by his team for most of his career. I'm truly saddened by the unconcious or otherwise effect the MEDIA has on you people concerning Randy Moss. Was his fake moon really dispicable? There was no flag? I think of dispicable as a flagrant head to head, forearm to head, spearing a downed player, kicking someone, etc. Think about it if the media was as it is now back when Manley and Riggins were playing the whole Gibbs' character integrity thing would probably not exist today. You don't think we wouldn't have to hear dipshits on espn or sports radio rant over and over about Riggins being loaded talking shit to Sandra Day O'Conner? Or Dexter's inability to read and love for cocaine? Come on people! The media has influenced this bs. Randy Moss may not be perfect, but he is far from evil and a damage to the NFL. I'm not necessarily in favor of him being a Redskin. He is a great player and does get stupid sometimes. But his stupidity doesn't end up costing the Vikings as many yards as our OL. And Randy Moss had 17 TD's in the regular season. Let him fake moon whoever he wants if he's rolling like that! Are you people crazy? Coles and Moss on the field? That wouldn't be good? Gimme that shit youre smoking! __________________ ^21^

01-18-2005, 06:13 AM	#38
Luxorreb ^21^ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Richmond, Virginia Age: 53 Posts: 1,630	I don't disagree with ya Shane that a cancer can cause problems. But Moss isn't the reason the Vikings didn't continue in the playoffs. And honestly I'd be content with Moss on my team. Moss probably would too. Did the Redskins offense score 17 TD's this year? I'll add again that I don't think Moss as a Redskin next season is probable. __________________ ^21^

01-18-2005, 08:37 AM	#40
Luxorreb ^21^ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Richmond, Virginia Age: 53 Posts: 1,630	can't argue w/ stats unless you're talking about HOF status! __________________ ^21^

01-18-2005, 12:03 AM	#34
BleedBurgundy Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 4,471	Wow. I kept expecting to see a Sports Curmudgeon response to this thread, but apparently, no dice. For my part, anyone who thinks that the price for Mr. Moss will be less than a king's ransom is not well connected with reality. Quick, who's the best receiver in the game? What's the first name that jumped into your heads? About a third of you said TO, another third said Moss, with the remaining third a mixed bag. Love him or hate him, Randy Moss changes any game he plays in. You HAVE to gameplan around him and make stopping #84 the cornerstone of your defensive plans that week. That's unquestionable. We will not get Moss in free agency because of several factors: 1. It's a bad idea from a character standpoint. Coach Gibbs likes character, and highly motivated individuals. Randy Moss doesn't present either of those qualities in any recognizable quantity. As long as Gibbs has personnel control/majority say, Moss doesn't come to DC unless it's for a road game. Period. 2. What the hell are we going to give up for him? The face of our defense, even if he is a little overrated in LaVar? The one guy who has been behind the franchise the whole time he's been here in some horrible conditions? Nah. What about the stud RB we just gave up our perennial pro bowl CB and a 2nd round pick for? Hmmm, probably not. Better yet, Gardner, who's hands are so obviously made out of stone that they could have been crafted by Michelangelo? Not feeling that one either. Oh, I know, DRAFT PICKS. Yes, let's mortgage our future for a loose cannon that can be as deadly to his own team as to the opposition. Please. 3. Portis signed such a large contract with us that, for a time, he was the highest paid back. LaVar isn't far from the highest paid LB. Moss will be the highest paid WR for most of the rest of his career. How many big money players can we realistically carry? Snyder has done an admirable job of financial juggling but I'm quite sure that even his talents have limits. 4. Turnover is killing this franchise. Over and over and over again, we see what happens from constant change. NO PLAYOFFS. While Moss himself would only be one added player, figure with that the players that would need to be traded and the shift in locker room leadership that would take place. He would disrupt a team that has only now started to get some stability. Why would you want that? This team has a HOF head coach. We've got a serviceable qb, a great young rb, a gutsy WR who needs to heal, a nice halfback in Cooley and an improving o-line. Our Defense was ranked #3 while missing some key starters last year. Why do we seem to be thinking that personnel is the area needing improvement? We have the bases covered. This team is NOT that far away. Especially not in our conference. Moss is the type of gamble that a team needs to take when it does not have any other chance of success or when it is so stable that a little distraction will not be deadly. We are neither of those scenarios. What we have going needs time to grow and knee jerk reactions will kill it.

01-18-2005, 09:11 AM	#42
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 42 Posts: 8,341	FRPLG, what I'm saying is Arizona has other pressing needs than a WR. They have three very good WR's, in my opinion. Shipp was hurt this year, but I feel he is a capable back and could carry the load for Arizona by himself. Arizona needs line help, along with a little help on defense and they'll be a good team. It would suprise me if they're willing to pay/trade what they'd have to to get Moss.

01-18-2005, 09:20 AM	#43
celts32 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Hackettstown NJ Age: 54 Posts: 2,665	I vote no on Moss, but not becasue I think he is to big of a distraction to win with. I vote no becasue the Redskins have proven that big free agent splashes do not work for them. It's time to do it another way. As for Moss, if he is such a cancer then why did the Vikings downfall start when he was out with an injury.

01-18-2005, 09:49 AM	#44
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,832	There's no denying the impact he would have on the field, there's also no denying the impact he would have off it as well. Whether it's the media's fault or not, Moss is a distraction. The fact that the Vikings are considering dealing away the most dangerous WR in the game is telling, and it's definitely not all financial reasons. They're tired of his antics and they're tired of the distractions. From him walking off the field to mooning the crowd to making wise ass comments about his fine, he's always drawing attention away from the team. As much as the rest of the team tries to say the right things and cover up for him, you can't tell me behind the scenes his teammates aren't tired of him.

01-18-2005, 10:06 AM	#45
FRPLG MVP Join Date: May 2004 Age: 46 Posts: 10,164	We'll have to disagree on Shipp. Green will jump at a chance to bring in Moss. We're not talking about a slight upgrade here. Moss is far better than Bouldin and Fitz...that is saying a lot but it is true. Green will think he can control Moss and Moss gives Arz an immediate offense and could make McCown look like a real QB. If they have the bullets he is a Cardinal next year.

Kornheiser believes Skins would make run at Moss

Locker Room Main Forum