The Official Defense Has Major Issues/Fire Jim Haslett Thread

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

So funny, this all sounds like the same old song we were singing late last year, the year before, so forth and so on. Disgruntled with the coaching staff, perplexed with the scheme. Not happy campers.

And what's so funny about that is we're only one or two improbable wins away from moving out of the "we officially suck" line. We will "suck"- STS - everytime we lose, regardless of how we lose or who we lose too. When we win we're on the right track, Shanahan and Allen will be walking on water again. All will be fine until the next loss, then the cycle repeats itself all over again.

I have a difficult time trying to understand how people can turn on a dime that way. You're only as good as your last play with some fans, win and everything's fine, lose and everybody "sucks".......Amazing!!!

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Well that is just a silly statement. You're using yesterdays game as the only example and forgetting all about last week. Did you watch last weeks game? I don't remember any QB throwing for almost 500 yards against our defense. The defense blew a 17 point lead and never made any adjustments. That's the most annoying thing so far. I've yet to see Haslett adjust to what the other teams play caller is doing. How many times did Schaub run that bootleg and what did Haslett do about it?

That was a direct apples to apples comparison: 2009 Detroit and 2010 St. Louis.

Do you want to break out the numbers from last year's first Giants game? No, I really don't think you do, especially if you're of the position that our defense is worse now.

The point is, factually speaking, our defense was horrible through three weeks last year. They ended up in the middle of the pack after all was said and done. They were a strong unit in most of October. This is simply being overlooked right now as people come with the pitchforks and torches to the new DC is that, apples to apples, the old defense struggled just as much in our 1-2 start last year.

Worst case scenario right now is that: nothing is different and we'll only go as far as the offense can take us. Because that's just the kind of team we've been the last three seasons.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

And what's so funny about that is we're only one or two improbable wins away from moving out of the "we officially suck" line. We will "suck"- STS - everytime we lose, regardless of how we lose or who we lose too. When we win we're on the right track, Shanahan and Allen will be walking on water again. All will be fine until the next loss, then the cycle repeats itself all over again.

I have a difficult time trying to understand how people can turn on a dime that way. You're only as good as your last play with some fans, win and everything's fine, lose and everybody "sucks".......Amazing!!!

It should turn around soon as we are only playing PHI,GB,IND,CHI pretty easy until week 8 against the Lions.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Mechanix544

I cant believe we lost to the RAMS.

OMG, that is pitiful. so much for the "playoff run" here in DC. that was downright ugly, and there are ABSOLUTELY no positives to come out of that game.


We stink.

I assume this is sarcasm, right?

If not, what makes you so sure we are that much better than the Rams?

Over the next few weeks, when the shellacking the Redskins are going to take starts happening against Philly, Green Bay and Indy -- we're going to look back on that Cowboys victory and wonder how it ever happened.

It's only going to get even more ugly...

[Chico23231]

Rams hung 30 on us...nuff said about the poor state of our defense

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Rams hung 30 on us...nuff said about the poor state of our defense

Don't forget that 1/2 the game without Steve Jackson.

[takethecake]

Clearly there is only one solution....


Bring back Sherm Lewis to call plays on defense!


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[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Don't forget that 1/2 the game without Steve Jackson.

Rookie QB in 3rd start as well

[GTripp0012]

Well, since Green Bay's defense has given up 75 points in their last three games, I can only assume we all have the Bears tonight?

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by firstdown

It should turn around soon as we are only playing PHI,GB,IND,CHI pretty easy until week 8 against the Lions.

Philly, Green Bay, Indy and Chicago are included in those improbable wins.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Well, since Green Bay's defense has given up 75 points in their last three games, I can only assume we all have the Bears tonight?

i do...Cutler looking pretty damn fine

[GTripp0012]

I actually have the Bears too. Sorry for crapping all over the point I was trying to make, which is that defensive points against doesn't say much about a defense without looking at victory margins.

[Chico23231]

Bears were impressive on the road at Dallas last week. Especially the way they held on late. Green Bay consistency the last couple years reminds me alot of Dallas...great one week, god aweful the next.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

That was a direct apples to apples comparison: 2009 Detroit and 2010 St. Louis.

Do you want to break out the numbers from last year's first Giants game? No, I really don't think you do, especially if you're of the position that our defense is worse now.

The point is, factually speaking, our defense was horrible through three weeks last year. They ended up in the middle of the pack after all was said and done. They were a strong unit in most of October. This is simply being overlooked right now as people come with the pitchforks and torches to the new DC is that, apples to apples, the old defense struggled just as much in our 1-2 start last year.

Worst case scenario right now is that: nothing is different and we'll only go as far as the offense can take us. Because that's just the kind of team we've been the last three seasons.

You're simply taking stats from the years worst game to support you argument. The defense played well in the first Giants game. Anyone with football knowledge knows that the defense, although flawed, was decent. Not a great create havoc type of defense but good enough to make the playoffs if the offense could score more points. So why come in and totally change the scheme when the players you have don't fit? To me that's shitty coaching. You didn't see Mike Tomlin come in and run the Tampa two when he got the Pittsburgh job.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

You're simply taking stats from the years worst game to support you argument. The defense played well in the first Giants game. Anyone with football knowledge knows that the defense, although flawed, was decent. Not a great create havoc type of defense but good enough to make the playoffs if the offense could score more points. So why come in and totally change the scheme when the players you have don't fit? To me that's shitty coaching. You didn't see Mike Tomlin come in and run the Tampa two when he got the Pittsburgh job.

You're completely missing the point, and you're doing it without evidence, which is worse.

The point is that I/we simply don't know how good the defense is going to be this year. It might be top ten. It might be bottom ten. It's probably going to be somewhere in between. We need to see more before passing judgment on the virtues of the 3-4. All people are doing in this thread is passing judgment prematurely.

Last year's defense was worse through three games, and all we did last year was write them a pass because of the offense -- which was more productive in both losses last year than it was in both losses this year.

It's not hard to see that closed mindedness re: the 3-4 is causing people to point out that this year's defense had sucked when the EXACT same people were defending just a poor coaching/playing effort last year because we had a 4-3.

I'm not saying that Haslett is necessarily going to make the adjustments that make this defense passable, I'm just saying that if your issue here was that the defense is talent-loaded and underachieving...where the hell was everyone the last two years what that was PRECISELY the case in our 4-3.