To Read Option, or Not

[IHG_2012]

RG3 and Cousins allow us to do both.. read option is something that will work but just have to fine tune the mentality they running this style means it has to wear your QB down..

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by whistler

The read option is a gimmick offense at this level. The right personnel and defensive scheme would stop it flat! A defense with a hybrid SS/LB on the outside(s) behind a 4 man line w/ends wide and 2 inside linebackers that fill is the answer (correct=single safety see-Texas in the 80's), personnel is the answer.
Griffin is best in a spread type of offense where he can scramble if needed, with up-tempo and plays called at the line of scrimmage. I forgot that would require the Shannys to relinquish all of the play calling and game mis-management. NEVERMIND

Yes, because a gimmick gives you the #1 rushing offense in the NFL AND one of the highest-rated passers in the league, in his rookie year.

Get used to it, we're a powerhouse on offense and will be for years. This isn't a gimmick that defenses can figure out...RGIII's incredible ball skills on fake hand-offs and the option plays isn't something you figure out, it's something you just have to hope you guess the right way on as a defender. There's nothing complex to decipher, this offense just forces the defense to react and take a blind guess about where the ball is and is going.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by whistler

The read option is a gimmick offense at this level. The right personnel and defensive scheme would stop it flat! A defense with a hybrid SS/LB on the outside(s) behind a 4 man line w/ends wide and 2 inside linebackers that fill is the answer (correct=single safety see-Texas in the 80's), personnel is the answer.
Griffin is best in a spread type of offense where he can scramble if needed, with up-tempo and plays called at the line of scrimmage. I forgot that would require the Shannys to relinquish all of the play calling and game mis-management. NEVERMIND

You counter-action can be counter-acted with a good outside passing game and quality interior line play allowing for serious between the tackles yardage. The fact still remains that with the right personnel (smart qb who's fast, decisive one-cut RB and speed at WR) the read option is damn hard to defend. It eliminates one defender on the field straight away. The backside DE has to make a decision on what to do...there isn't a DE in the league who can scrape down the line AND provide containment. If you're QB reads it correct then the defense is playing catching right off the bat.

[FRPLG]

And the biggest counter-argument is this...the read option has been around for years. The best coaches with the best players had the opportunity to figure this out and by the end of last year not many had any success in stopping the three teams featuring it.

[budw38]

At one time the west coast offence was " a gimmick " . The two TE/One Back , a gimmick as was the " spread " . Talent , coaching and getting the breaks ( turnovers ) is what determines success . As long as we have RG3 , A. Morris and a solid OL , we will move the ball and score .

[warriorzpath]

The read option is just that - its a play or a package of plays that the redskins have the option of utilizing. The read option will continue to be used and is not a gimmick as long as its effective. An opposing defense cannot completely shut it down because that means the defense must completely sell out on every play to prevent the offense from using it. This opens all kinds of other plays up for the offense.

[warriorzpath]

Bottom line - you can't stop it for a full game because the offense will kill the opposing defenses by just taking advantage of the holes in the defense selling out to stop the read option play(s).

Here's a simple example in basketball (but not meant as a direct comparison) - you can't double-team one player for a whole game because that means that another player is open the whole game.

[mredskins]

Really get out of here!

[The Goat]

Maybe it's semantics to some, but until a team running the read-option wins the SB it's a gimmick to me. And I don't think it's an accident we don't see the very best teams who have very mobile QBs running it i.e. Aaron Rogers has fantastic mobility and shows it plenty to scramble/extend plays, but you don't see Mike McCarthy sending Rogers up the gut with the pigskin. It's retarded to use your franchise QB as a running back, period. Another enchilada to use a guy like Kaepernick or Wilson who cost you very little.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Maybe it's semantics to some, but until a team running the read-option wins the SB it's a gimmick to me. And I don't think it's an accident we don't see the very best teams who have very mobile QBs running it i.e. Aaron Rogers has fantastic mobility and shows it plenty to scramble/extend plays, but you don't see Mike McCarthy sending Rogers up the gut with the pigskin. It's retarded to use your franchise QB as a running back, period. Another enchilada to use a guy like Kaepernick or Wilson who cost you very little.

We don't see Rodgers getting designed runs called for him because he can't run like Griffin. No QB in NFL history was probably as fast and elusive as him, even Vick in his youth.

The game has changed many times and we're seeing a transition right now, thanks to our own RGIII.

[Meks]

yea, saying rogers could run the read option is laughable, ur reaching sir.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Maybe it's semantics to some, but until a team running the read-option wins the SB it's a gimmick to me. And I don't think it's an accident we don't see the very best teams who have very mobile QBs running it i.e. Aaron Rogers has fantastic mobility and shows it plenty to scramble/extend plays, but you don't see Mike McCarthy sending Rogers up the gut with the pigskin. It's retarded to use your franchise QB as a running back, period. Another enchilada to use a guy like Kaepernick or Wilson who cost you very little.

So, 3 teams running it and all 3 get to the playoffs, 1 winning a division title, 1 making it to the SB, that's not good enough. It only counts if they win the SB. Got it. That seems like a perfectly rationale requirement.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Maybe it's semantics to some, but until a team running the read-option wins the SB it's a gimmick to me. And I don't think it's an accident we don't see the very best teams who have very mobile QBs running it i.e. Aaron Rogers has fantastic mobility and shows it plenty to scramble/extend plays, but you don't see Mike McCarthy sending Rogers up the gut with the pigskin. It's retarded to use your franchise QB as a running back, period. Another enchilada to use a guy like Kaepernick or Wilson who cost you very little.

Check the stats and tape again. Aaron Rodgers has averaged 4 rushes per game over the last three years. Some of these are scrambles but some are designed runs in which Rodgers runs "up the gut with the pigskin." If you watch the tape, you'll see that some of these designed runs are based on zone read concepts.

Aaron Rodgers | Green Bay Packers | NFL - Yahoo! Sports

Wrong example to make your point.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

So, 3 teams running it and all 3 get to the playoffs, 1 winning a division title, 1 making it to the SB, that's not good enough. It only counts if they win the SB. Got it. That seems like a perfectly rationale requirement.

It makes perfect sense if you think about it in a way that makes no sense.

[Evilgrin]

Twitter sources are reporting that Shanahan will run Rg3 12 times up the gut per game this year. It worked so well, and he didn't tear his achilles fully until the last game. They want to see how long it will take to tear with more runs.