Skins Viks Postgame

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by Green Monk Machine

^^^^ Its one thing to coulda, shoulda, woulda DEFENSE, but when you have the tools and ability to score and be more on offense, than yeah it is on Kyle.

Lets renew the Shanahans and see if Robert last 5 years in the league.

It just doesn't work that way. Even the best offenses in the league are not going to score on every drive. When your defense is giving up scores on almost ever single possession, you're not going to win many ball games; I don't care how good that offense is. The old saying is and will always be true. Behind every great offense is a greater defense. Super Bowl winning teams are built on great defenses, offenses that have strong running games, and franchise quarterbacks. No matter what era of football we're in, that formula always seems to be true (well except for the case of the Redskins winning with three different quarterbacks during the Gibbs I era.)

[Gmanc711]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

He needs to learn you cant take those 10+ yards sacks, thats on him. I agree with Morris, Garcon, Reed, and RG3 had good/great games, folks thats a nice core of skill players on offense.

The Defense seems to "fake it" sometimes, they can hid their issues fairly well. I think we need a serious up grade of talent at Slot Corner, ILB, FS, and someone to step up and consistently at SS. And im just gonna say it, but I wouldnt re sign Orakpo. Dont pay him top money, he's not worth it. So a pass rush OLB is a need.

I agree. I know he's still coming back from injury, but really this is my only gripe with Rg3 this season. I know physically he is not what he was last year and it might take a year to get back, so I'm willing to roll with the inaccuracy at times... however its these types of decisions that kill me. Just know when to take a play and get rid of it. He's slowly getting better, but thats 101 stuff.


Also on the fake punt front, I've been wondering all year why we haven't run that. I've seen a TON of times where our gunners are left alone (as they come to block guys) and its an EASY pass and first down completion. I don't know if Rocca can't throw (looked OK last night), but that's high schoolish that if the gunner is wide open and you're at least past your own 40, they should be looking for the football.

[DirtBagZ]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

Firstly, comparing 93' Pettibon to present day Haslett is apples to oranges when you consider Pettibon had taken over as head coach by the '93 season. But in '92 - Gibbs' last year, Pettibon still had his defense playing well enough to carry the 'skins into the playoffs. The offense didn't play nearly as dominate as it was the year before and it wasn't the best of seasons, but the defense played well enough to get the 'skins into the playoffs.

Secondly, as far as pro bowl type of players on this current squad - you have Ryan Kerrigan, Brian Orkapo, London Fletcher, DeAngelo Hall - all who have made the pro bowl and capable of playing at such a level. Then you have guys like Stephen Bowen has played a very high level - some might consider pro bowl level. An then you have young guys like David Amerson who keeps getting better in each game, Jarvis Jenkins shows promise. There are quality guys on that defense. It isn't a defense full of bums. Yes, it isn't a defense full of hall of famers - but there is no reason why this group on defense can't play good enough to be middle of the road. At least playing at the level they were playing at toward the end of last season. There hasn't been a huge turnover on defense. This is mostly on Haslett.

Sorry disagree, there has been a lack of pass rush, and collapsing the pocket and this has been a hallmark of Redskins teams for a long time. Kerrigan is a decent player, probably the best on the front seven, just not an elite pass rusher. Orako is serviceable, if he was better player he would make plays, for whatever reason he does not make the play. Coaching can make a difference but the bottom line is, the players don't execute and they don't make plays. Further there is a chronic lack of discipline and a tendency to make boneheaded 15 yd penalties that have a knack of allowing the other team to score. This has happened repeatedly this season, and was a major issue last night.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Imagine this offense with KCs defense. You would probably never hear the word Kyle...

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

I wonder how bad it would be around here if the defense was run by Jim Shanahan.

Kyle's not 100% off the hook for the loss but of all our problems, are we really focusing on the one part of the team that looks somewhat competent?

Fuck Jim Shanahan too.

[punch it in]

Im not really too upset with the offense (second half no show is weird but whatevs). However, is it possible that we just have alot of weapons, Griff, Almo, Garcon, Trent, Reed - and maybe that is why our offense is ranked so high? Maybe Kyles more than occassional questionable playcalls are a problem?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Im not really too upset with the offense (second half no show is weird but whatevs). However, is it possible that we just have alot of weapons, Griff, Almo, Garcon, Trent, Reed - and maybe that is why our offense is ranked so high? Maybe Kyles more than occassional questionable playcalls are a problem?

So when the offense is hummin' it's because of the players.

When they falter it's on Kyle.

Got it.

What if Paulsen hauls in that TD that hit him in the hands on the first drive, or if Reed catches the TD at the end that also hit him in the hands? Still Kyle's fault?

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

So when the offense is hummin' it's because of the players.

When they falter it's on Kyle.

Got it.

What if Paulsen hauls in that TD that hit him in the hands on the first drive, or if Reed catches the TD at the end that also hit him in the hands? Still Kyle's fault?

Im not saying that at all. Im just tossing the theory out there. Wondering if Kyle makes the most of this offense or if someone else could make more? I dont know? I think they could be more potent though.
Edit: drops are going to happen, mistakes are going to happen. Questionable calls in big spots shouldnt happen. Pound the damn ball in the endzone when ur close.

[punch it in]

Either way Matty Like i said i dont really have a problem with the offense.
I guess its just evaluation time of year - uh oh did i just say that?
7 in a row or we dont go!

[MTK]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Im not saying that at all. Im just tossing the theory out there. Wondering if Kyle makes the most of this offense or if someone else could make more? I dont know? I think they could be more potent though.
Edit: drops are going to happen, mistakes are going to happen. Questionable calls in big spots shouldnt happen. Pound the damn ball in the endzone when ur close.

If they had a time out of two at the end I'm sure they would have ran it again.

Why are player mistakes or errors ok but not with play calls? It's not an exact science and there is a defense out there getting paid to stop things.

I just think it's far too easy to question the stuff that doesn't work.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Either way Matty Like i said i dont really have a problem with the offense.
I guess its just evaluation time of year - uh oh did i just say that?
7 in a row or we dont go!

uh oh don't start with that, the only thing more hated right now than Kyle is talk of a turnaround.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

If they had a time out of two at the end I'm sure they would have ran it again.

Why are player mistakes or errors ok but not with play calls? It's not an exact science and there is a defense out there getting paid to stop things.

I just think it's far too easy to question the stuff that doesn't work.

It is too easy, and thats all i am doing. Questioning.
As for player errors vs playcalling? Well player errors are definitely less of a concious decision if you will. As for the lack of timeouts leading to the throws at the end - yes you are 100% rite. We really had no choice. Point taken.

[skinsfaninok]

I still think we can win 8 games but that would be beating KC at home or SF. Playoffs? No

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

uh oh don't start with that, the only thing more hated right now than Kyle is talk of a turnaround.

Last three times we made the playoffs we went on runs. Two five in a rows and a seven. What sucks so bad about last nite is a win would have put us in a position where we really almost control our own destiny. Still with four division games left. Now seven in a row doesnt even make it a lock. Damn. Damn. And double damn.

[Gmanc711]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

So when the offense is hummin' it's because of the players.

When they falter it's on Kyle.

Got it.

What if Paulsen hauls in that TD that hit him in the hands on the first drive, or if Reed catches the TD at the end that also hit him in the hands? Still Kyle's fault?

Yeah; I tend to agree here. I mean I do have some issue with us just getting so far away from Morris for seemingly no reason, but I don't put all that much on Kyle. The plays in general that we complain about, are just not executed well, most are there.

I think there's plenty of blame to go around to everyone. The interior of our line is a mess too. The only guy I really can't find a mistake from was Morris. Everyone else (even Garcon who was a beast) had at least one mistake you can point too. Rg3 had a couple questionable plays, Garcon dropped a couple, Reed dropped one, TW missed a block, the other four linemen stink, Kyle abandoned the run, plenty of blame... and overall it was a decent night offensively. Just wish they could put a full game together.