Worst Mistake of the Shanahan Era

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by irish

It is amazing. The team is damned if they do and damned if they dont. If they pass on RG3 and stick with Rex or McNabb then the fans scream the organization doesnt want to win. So they trade for him he playes great as a rookie and unfortunately has a devastating knee injury, misses the offseason, struggles in his 2nd year (that he probably shouldnt have even played in because of the injury) and now the fans are screaming taking him was a huge mistake because he cant play. I guess that's what fans do.

Disagree. The 2012 draft had other QB's that were just as good, if not better ( for the pro game) than RG3. They had to know that paying that steep a price was just too risky. I didn't see RG3 as a John Elway type of prospect.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

It still lacks playmakers. Especially on the front 7. After 4 years we still don't have the most important piece...a true NT. Inexcusable.

Cofield is the problem? Really?

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

The McNabb move was pretty inexcusable. Going into the second season with Grossman on top of the depth chart and Ryan Torain at RB was pretty much the death knell on the Shanahan era.

Mike was a dead man walking prior to the cap penalty. The RG3 trade was a blatant attempt to liquidate future assets to put a winning product on the field immediately, because after two full seasons there was zero foundation.

This is absolute truth.

Really there's too many major fuck ups by "Shanahan the GM" to pick a worst though. Blowing up the defense he inherited and installing the worst defense in the league. Terrible management of the players he inherited. Lousy drafting and too many busts. And then you have all the fuck up by "Shanahan the coach." Ugh...just too many things to remember and list.

But it's the CULTURE he developed that stands out as the worst dynamic and the one that has potential to haunt this team for years. Because Mike has been such a terrible leader/mentor you see the players lose respect for everything associated with the Redskins. It's like a poison, and as the poison spreads through the system you see these kids give up. It's just now becoming totally apparent on the field, but it's been at work for a long time. And we have to remember they're young, likely immature kids. They don't know how to separate the franchise from this egomaniac asshole running the team. That's why I think it's critical to get Shanahan out of the building ASAP. The poison is spreading and has the potential to ruin more and more players on the roster.

[irish]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Disagree. The 2012 draft had other QB's that were just as good, if not better ( for the pro game) than RG3. They had to know that paying that steep a price was just too risky. I didn't see RG3 as a John Elway type of prospect.

Its easy to say that in 2013. My guess is you can tell me what numbers look good for last week's powerball drawing too.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Cofield is the problem? Really?

He's been solid. But what's his true position? DT in a 4-3. They've asked Rak and Kerrigan to play coverage at times. The 3-4 has been a failure.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by irish

Its easy to say that in 2013. My guess is you can tell me what numbers look good for last week's powerball drawing too.

Actually I said when he was drafted.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by The Goat

This is absolute truth.

Really there's too many major fuck ups by "Shanahan the GM" to pick a worst though. Blowing up the defense he inherited and installing the worst defense in the league. Terrible management of the players he inherited. Lousy drafting and too many busts. And then you have all the fuck up by "Shanahan the coach." Ugh...just too many things to remember and list.

But it's the CULTURE he developed that stands out as the worst dynamic and the one that has potential to haunt this team for years. Because Mike has been such a terrible leader/mentor you see the players lose respect for everything associated with the Redskins. It's like a poison, and as the poison spreads through the system you see these kids give up. It's just now becoming totally apparent on the field, but it's been at work for a long time. And we have to remember they're young, likely immature kids. They don't know how to separate the franchise from this egomaniac asshole running the team. That's why I think it's critical to get Shanahan out of the building ASAP. The poison is spreading and has the potential to ruin more and more players on the roster.

If thats the case, how could he lead a team to the playoffs after a 3-6 start? If the culture was so bad, this couldnt have happened last year. I dont think its the locker room or the culture of the organization. I think thats pretty solid actually.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

If thats the case, how could he lead a team to the playoffs after a 3-6 start? If the culture was so bad, this couldnt have happened last year. I dont think its the locker room or the culture of the organization. I think thats pretty solid actually.

You're making all kinds of assumptions. First, that it was Shanahan who led the team. I saw RG on offense and London on defense leading the team. That (player) leadership counterbalanced the negative from Mike, Kyle and Haslett.

But honestly, and it's what I hear from almost all football fans outside this little world, knee-gate shattered any trust and respect for Shanahan. It was obvious to me the players quit on Shanahan after that i.e. obvious from the opening game this season.

You can argue otherwise, but then you have to explain why this team has been so listless all season. And I think this season in particular presents some good comparisons for reference. Schiano, another guy who's made tough calls but retained his players respect, has his guys playing their asses off. That's how I gauge respect btw, how players fight for their teammates, coach and franchise on the field, winning or losing. Likewise I think it's the very best gauge of team culture.

[The Goat]

I don't understand why people equate things like scheduling and order as "good" culture?? That's asinine. Just because Mike has the IQ to build an itinerary for everyone and organize practices etc. doesn't indicate anything about the culture for God's sake. Culture is what you see on the field. Do the players fight hard no matter the score and no matter the circumstances. Our players don't fight regardless of the score and circumstances. And it translates to reality: having the lowest percentage of time winning during gameplay. Enough to say we are the worst team in pro football? Maybe, but certainly enough to say we have the worst culture in pro football.

[Chico23231]

you talk about me making all types of assumptions....nevermind

[skinsfaninok]

Bottom line is Jim Zorn was a laughing stock and ran out of town but yet he was only 8 games under .500 after 2 years, after 4 MS is 11 games under .500.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

you talk about me making all types of assumptions....nevermind

Hilarious isn't it

Don't bother

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

you talk about me making all types of assumptions....nevermind

He's a goofball. He's had maybe one good post in the last 15 months here. People here are afraid to say he sucks, and so on

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

One group who isn't fighting for anyone is the Oline. They are down right atrocious.

Polumbus probably shouldn't be in the league. Chester is a backup at best. Monty was good last year but I don't know what has happened to him and the same can be said for Kory L. With those problems, when Trent had a bad game it is I testified because he is suppose to be the one great one.

Do we really have the lightest Oline in the league?

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Disagree. The 2012 draft had other QB's that were just as good, if not better ( for the pro game) than RG3. They had to know that paying that steep a price was just too risky. I didn't see RG3 as a John Elway type of prospect.

We'll have a better idea where RGIII's career is headed when he is fully recovered.