Worst Mistake of the Shanahan Era

skinsfaninok · 11-26-2013, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Well specifically on Haynesworth there was an opportunity as late as draft day 2011 to get a 2nd round pick for him. Not straight up, but it would have involved a later round swapping of picks.

should have

GTripp0012 · 11-26-2013, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Ok, and tell me what he ended up signing for with the Titans and then tell me would you have signed him. Still you haven't given any options other than...."it was bad". Let's hear some options, and look at the salary ramifications on those people you would have signed. Come on GT, put some effort into it.

$7 mil/yr. Would I have signed him? As opposed to what the Redskins did? Of course. However, iirc, he wasn't even on top of my FA rankings that year. Better options were available.

Here is the drafted QB class of 2011:

Draft Finder Query Results - Pro-Football-Reference.com

Newton would have cost a Griffin-like package to get, but after actually giving up those picks for Griffin, you can't even say he was unobtainable.

skinsfaninok · 11-26-2013, 02:33 PM

Until MS goes I'm just going to be Bleh about this team even next yr if he's still here

Chico23231 · 11-26-2013, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

It wasn't the cost for any other franchise in history. Just this one.

Or anyone who wanted to move up. Lil shocked now the trade is an issue. I don't see acquire rg3 as the issue, but the handling of the injury, coaching and his protection is more the problem

GTripp0012 · 11-26-2013, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

The problem is that you have to take risks. The teams that don't have a franchise QB are often mired in mediocrity in a revolving door of QBs and high to mid round first draft picks. The day of the trade I was anxious and apprehensive, what I saw last year gave me hope toward a bright future and I can't say for certainty our future is any worse or better for the trade but I am willing to take risks. For me the biggest mistake is the McNabb trade that essentially cost us a year of rebuilding.

No one is saying don't take risks. Just don't get to a point where trading more for a QB than anyone ever has is your only option. And if you do reach that point, it's time for someone else to have a shot.

RFKRat · 11-26-2013, 02:37 PM

That's easy, hiring Shanazorn to begin with. I didn't like the hiring then and he's proven everything I was concerned about back then. Denver sent him on his way due to failing with results and not bringing in proper personnel. Sounds familiar. This year will make one playoff win in his last fifteen seasons coaching. Disgraceful.

I like how people are throwing the 18 million in cap space out there, as if every good free agent is going to flock to this mess of a franchise. As if there won't be more attractive options out there. Or, let's say they have about 6 or 7 real quality guys total on both sides of the ball. Everything else is garbage. Will 18 million be enough to buy 14 or so good quality players? Nope. Will it eliminate the lack of preparedness, the lack of adjustments, poor clock management, and everything else fundamentally wrong with this team that is the coach's fault?

Nope.

Chico23231 · 11-26-2013, 02:38 PM

People talking like rg3 is done. Amazing

GTripp0012 · 11-26-2013, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Chico23231

Or anyone who wanted to move up. Lil shocked now the trade is an issue. I don't see acquire rg3 as the issue, but the handling of the injury, coaching and his protection is more the problem

RG3 might prove to be worth it long term, but one thing we can conclude now is that he was overvalued on draft day. Foles was the same passer in college (although needed to be protected by a scheme re: lack of athleticism), and went in the third round. Wilson of course also went in the third round.

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It's going to be on someone else to salvage RG3 as an elite player (which he's still young enough to become), which means that the process behind the trade was more poor than the trade itself.

GTripp0012 · 11-26-2013, 02:41 PM

Luck was overvalued on draft day as well, but that doesn't so much matter because the Colts had the first pick and were locked in on him from day one of the process.

irish · 11-26-2013, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Chico23231

People talking like rg3 is done. Amazing

It is amazing. The team is damned if they do and damned if they dont. If they pass on RG3 and stick with Rex or McNabb then the fans scream the organization doesnt want to win. So they trade for him he playes great as a rookie and unfortunately has a devastating knee injury, misses the offseason, struggles in his 2nd year (that he probably shouldnt have even played in because of the injury) and now the fans are screaming taking him was a huge mistake because he cant play. I guess that's what fans do.

BaltimoreSkins · 11-26-2013, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

No one is saying don't take risks. Just don't get to a point where trading more for a QB than anyone ever has is your only option. And if you do reach that point, it's time for someone else to have a shot.

So by staying put and drafting _______, we would still be in the QB carousel most likely, but we would have had two more first round picks to make a correct hit. Am I close to what you are thinking, or am I reading it the wrong way?

irish · 11-26-2013, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

So by staying put and drafting _______, we would still be in the QB carousel most likely, but we would have had two more first round picks to make a correct hit. Am I close to what you are thinking, or am I reading it the wrong way?

You are correct and these same fans would be saying that we cant win because we dont have a franchise QB and wont do what it takes to get one.

skinsfaninok · 11-26-2013, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Chico23231

People talking like rg3 is done. Amazing

I believe in Griffin but i will say dude looks like shit this yr, He's had a few good games but damn has he had some Geno Smith type moments.

GTripp0012 · 11-26-2013, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

So by staying put and drafting _______, we would still be in the QB carousel most likely, but we would have had two more first round picks to make a correct hit. Am I close to what you are thinking, or am I reading it the wrong way?

Yeah, that's pretty much it.

I'm not saying "don't draft a quarterback, ever." I'm saying don't make a trade for a guy that pins him squarely as the savior of a franchise, not develop him, and then get very unsettled when he starts bringing his own visions for how the team should be run into the locker room. Very frustrating.

The biggest problem with the RG3 trade wasn't the cost, it was the reasons it was being made, i.e. had to win ASAP. It almost darn near worked. If this team was 6-5 instead of 3-8, the trade is a success to date. But it was bad process from the start.

skinsfan69 · 11-26-2013, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk

I've never seen the 3-4 as the problem, just the players and coach running it.

The legendary top 10 4-3 we had was old and lacked playmakers and needed an overhaul anyway.

As far as the trade that everyone is knocking now don't forget that the cap penalty came afterwards. Gotta think that trade doesn't happen if they knew the cap hit was coming.

It still lacks playmakers. Especially on the front 7. After 4 years we still don't have the most important piece...a true NT. Inexcusable.

11-26-2013, 02:33 PM	#48
skinsfaninok Warpath Hall of Fame Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UNITED STATES Age: 38 Posts: 36,180	Re: Worst Mistake of the Shanahan Era Until MS goes I'm just going to be Bleh about this team even next yr if he's still here __________________ “Mediocre people don’t like high achievers, and high achievers don’t like mediocre people.” ― Nick Saban

11-26-2013, 02:37 PM	#51
RFKRat Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 105	Re: Worst Mistake of the Shanahan Era That's easy, hiring Shanazorn to begin with. I didn't like the hiring then and he's proven everything I was concerned about back then. Denver sent him on his way due to failing with results and not bringing in proper personnel. Sounds familiar. This year will make one playoff win in his last fifteen seasons coaching. Disgraceful. I like how people are throwing the 18 million in cap space out there, as if every good free agent is going to flock to this mess of a franchise. As if there won't be more attractive options out there. Or, let's say they have about 6 or 7 real quality guys total on both sides of the ball. Everything else is garbage. Will 18 million be enough to buy 14 or so good quality players? Nope. Will it eliminate the lack of preparedness, the lack of adjustments, poor clock management, and everything else fundamentally wrong with this team that is the coach's fault? Nope.

11-26-2013, 02:38 PM	#52
Chico23231 Warpath Hall of Fame Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 35,023	Re: Worst Mistake of the Shanahan Era People talking like rg3 is done. Amazing __________________ My pronouns: King/Your ruler He Gets Us

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GTripp0012 Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Evanston, IL Age: 37 Posts: 15,994	Re: Worst Mistake of the Shanahan Era Luck was overvalued on draft day as well, but that doesn't so much matter because the Colts had the first pick and were locked in on him from day one of the process. __________________ according to a source with knowledge of the situation.

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