Kirk Cousins Expected To Start Sunday

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by HailGreen28

So people really are happy RG3's being benched now? My impression was that a lot of people here (even those grudgingly saying it was the right thing) were upset RG3 was benched. Because of "motives", and based on what Mattyk said I believe Shanny's being a ****, it's just at the point where Shanny can do nothing right (Play RG3: continue to get roasted for getting RG3 killed. Bench RG3: it's "why didn't he bench him before?").

OK, you're right about being eliminated after the Giants game. Still, why all the fuss now if benching RG3 is what people wanted? I wanted to start Cousins on game one, I got over it. Worst I'd say now is "about time", but RG3 really hasn't played that bad. He's not running like his best, but the missed reads and throws look more like rust than injuries to me. (OK, game one I thought the bad throws were him not able to plant his right leg back before throwing but not now)

Im not even sure who the hell is mad about what anymore. Lol. Im going to just state my case as simply as i can.
There have been a handful of times in Griffs short career where I personally screamed "oh my God take him out of the game".
Seattle - one friggin leg working and obviously hurt bad!
Baltimore - they did but after he went back in
Weeks one through about six.
Shanny has maintained all year that Griff needed time to learn and play and grow. Makes sense he seems healthy enough to be on the field, just not mentally or mechanically whole yet. Than when this whole bizarre love triangle between Griff, MS, and DS started ( which mind you seems to have been leaked by MS to someone at ESPN- because MS was dangerously close to being ousted as our coach) - Griff is deactivated. Than almost a full year later MS admits that Griff should have been pulled from the Seattle game. NO SHIT. Why does he say that? So that he wouldnt be questioned about the fact that he is suddenly concerned about Griffs safety. Again - this is not a question of SHOULD Griff be benched, but WHY he us being benched. Why now? Why not after the Giants game? MS thought we were still in playoff contention? No - he was still trying to save his job. After last week he knew it was over and this became about the 7 million dollars.
Even if KC lights it up it still falls on Shanny for not pulling him all those other times when he was injured/not ready.
Edit : this is not a conspiracy theory, lol. There are too many things that dont add up. Too much timing that makes no sense.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by Gary84Clark

Maybe we get the 1st pick in the second round which is like a lower 1st round pick. Trade Cousin for a second round pick. all our other picks are at teh top of the round. Boom draft salvaged.

Make that a second round pick and a player.

[donofriose]

Originally Posted by Gary84Clark

Maybe we get the 1st pick in the second round which is like a lower 1st round pick. Trade Cousin for a second round pick. all our other picks are at teh top of the round. Boom draft salvaged.

There might not be a long list of teams willing trade that for a backup QB, who hasn't played well when given his chance this season.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by donofriose

There might not be a long list of teams willing trade that for a backup QB, who hasn't played well when given his chance this season.

Let's see what he does in the final three games. He might surprise us.

[diehardskin2982]

Kirk Cousins will be the next Matt Schaub

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Im not even sure who the hell is mad about what anymore. Lol. Im going to just state my case as simply as i can.
There have been a handful of times in Griffs short career where I personally screamed "oh my God take him out of the game".
Seattle - one friggin leg working and obviously hurt bad!
Baltimore - they did but after he went back in
Weeks one through about six.
Shanny has maintained all year that Griff needed time to learn and play and grow. Makes sense he seems healthy enough to be on the field, just not mentally or mechanically whole yet. Than when this whole bizarre love triangle between Griff, MS, and DS started ( which mind you seems to have been leaked by MS to someone at ESPN- because MS was dangerously close to being ousted as our coach) - Griff is deactivated. Than almost a full year later MS admits that Griff should have been pulled from the Seattle game. NO SHIT. Why does he say that? So that he wouldnt be questioned about the fact that he is suddenly concerned about Griffs safety. Again - this is not a question of SHOULD Griff be benched, but WHY he us being benched. Why now? Why not after the Giants game? MS thought we were still in playoff contention? No - he was still trying to save his job. After last week he knew it was over and this became about the 7 million dollars.
Even if KC lights it up it still falls on Shanny for not pulling him all those other times when he was injured/not ready.
Edit : this is not a conspiracy theory, lol. There are too many things that dont add up. Too much timing that makes no sense.

Yeah, Shanny is using some "coach speak", which isn't necessarily bad IMO, but a lot of this drama is manufactured solely by leaks. As far as what the principals are actually saying: Shanny says he and Snyder are in a good relationship, and they'll talk about how each feels about things at seasons end, Kyle says he's not even involved in benching RG3, and Snyders publically acted like a model owner through Shanny's tenure. I wasn't crazy about seeing pics of Snyder with Shanny hanging out with RG3 before the draft, but nothing bad seemed to come from that.

As far as not benching RG3 early, yeah in the Seattle game it was obvious he was hurt on the what second TD drive, and I thought the staff was actually keeping RG3 away from Andrews, like when they went to some shelter behind the sidelines I didn't see Andrews go in with them. But I gave everybody the benefit of a doubt and kept rooting for RG3 to come back. To me in hindsight, the poor throws RG3 made playing hurt (OK, more hurt, he was basically on one good leg the Dallass game and the start of the SEA game, but we were winning) later on that game kinda seem like the poor throws he made this season (more inaccurate, more WTF direction long passes)

Anyways I'm running long now, but the start of this season seems like the Seattle game right after RG3 got hurt. Not throwing right, but staying in like last season so we could win, it just not working out like the last Dallas last season. All this drama about ulterior motives, it seems like a typical situation to me instead: Shanny trying to win now, RG3 always wanting to play, and Snyder letting it roll unlike he did in the past.

It's a real puzzler to me why RG3 was pulled now, with us being mathematically eliminated the Giants game not the Chiefs game, but I'm still thinking along the lines of Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice what could be stupidity. Maybe Shanny wasn't sure about sitting RG3. And if Shanny's doing the right thing now, why complaining about the decision to bench him? There's plenty legit stuff to complain about (record, defense, sure complain about the decision to start him wk 1), without trying to "mind read" complaining about the current decision to bench rg3. Again, especially if there's reasonable question it was the right thing to do.

[calia]

Originally Posted by HailGreen28

Yeah, Shanny is using some "coach speak", which isn't necessarily bad IMO, but a lot of this drama is manufactured solely by leaks. As far as what the principals are actually saying: Shanny says he and Snyder are in a good relationship, and they'll talk about how each feels about things at seasons end, Kyle says he's not even involved in benching RG3, and Snyders publically acted like a model owner through Shanny's tenure. I wasn't crazy about seeing pics of Snyder with Shanny hanging out with RG3 before the draft, but nothing bad seemed to come from that.

As far as not benching RG3 early, yeah in the Seattle game it was obvious he was hurt on the what second TD drive, and I thought the staff was actually keeping RG3 away from Andrews, like when they went to some shelter behind the sidelines I didn't see Andrews go in with them. But I gave everybody the benefit of a doubt and kept rooting for RG3 to come back. To me in hindsight, the poor throws RG3 made playing hurt (OK, more hurt, he was basically on one good leg the Dallass game and the start of the SEA game, but we were winning) later on that game kinda seem like the poor throws he made this season (more inaccurate, more WTF direction long passes)

Anyways I'm running long now, but the start of this season seems like the Seattle game right after RG3 got hurt. Not throwing right, but staying in like last season so we could win, it just not working out like the last Dallas last season. All this drama about ulterior motives, it seems like a typical situation to me instead: Shanny trying to win now, RG3 always wanting to play, and Snyder letting it roll unlike he did in the past.

It's a real puzzler to me why RG3 was pulled now, with us being mathematically eliminated the Giants game not the Chiefs game, but I'm still thinking along the lines of Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice what could be stupidity. Maybe Shanny wasn't sure about sitting RG3. And if Shanny's doing the right thing now, why complaining about the decision to bench him? There's plenty legit stuff to complain about (record, defense, sure complain about the decision to start him wk 1), without trying to "mind read" complaining about the current decision to bench rg3. Again, especially if there's reasonable question it was the right thing to do.

My prediction: About a nanosecond after the season ends, Snyder will tell Shanny that he needs to get as far away from Ashburn/DC as possible, including possibly the international space station. And Shanny will feel that he'll happily do so and looks forward to cashing a $7MM check.

[punch it in]

Who here actually believes Shanny and DS have a good relationship?

[NC_Skins]

Cooley: Cousins a better pocket passer than RGIII

Don't recall if this was posted, but damn this is brutal. Cooley telling it like it is.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Cooley: Cousins a better pocket passer than RGIII

Don't recall if this was posted, but damn this is brutal. Cooley telling it like it is.

Cooley has a big mouth. I love him. But hes got a big mouth.

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

I think it is what it is at this point. Cooley coming out and saying it is slightly different because he brings some validity to it.

Give the kid a healthy offseason to study and work on his mechanics and we see a good III next year. Last year all we ever heard from everyone (Cooley included) was Robert was a leader, a great locker room guy, humble, and the best QB they have had in a while.

Griffin will use this whole season to motivate him as well as his own personal drive to have an enormous impact on our 2014 season.

I hope cousins does well, it bodes for good value and a possible one or two extra picks in April for the new regime.

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by calia

My prediction: About a nanosecond after the season ends, Snyder will tell Shanny that he needs to get as far away from Ashburn/DC as possible, including possibly the international space station. And Shanny will feel that he'll happily do so and looks forward to cashing a $7MM check.

Originally Posted by punch it in

Who here actually believes Shanny and DS have a good relationship?

LOL. I know it seems very unrealistic at this point, but is anyone other than me actually wishing this trainwreck wasn't so bad for the Redskins? (regardless of whether shanny's fired for 3 out of 4 miserable seasons?)

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I won't be watching. F this team. Specifically, F Shanahan.

Damn Matty, what are you going to do? I mean reality bites, but c'mon at least learn to have some fun with the site when things are bad, especially since they usually are very bad. Why do you think I post some crazy ass opinions or off the wall stuff? Can't keep bellowing the same tired mantras like the HC sucks, the players suck, the owner sucks, or the RG III man crush crap etc. Expand your horizons!!!!!!

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

Make that a second round pick and a player.

We will be lucky to get a 2nd rounder, more like a 3rd, unless Cousins comes off like the second coming of Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers. Two words for you bud, Matt Flynn. Teams are going to be wary at shelling out cash or high draft picks for a backup for awhile. Did you see Flynn on Thanksgiving Day? Everyone in here is banking on Cousins garnering a good trade, but I am not sure if I was a needy GM of another team that I would want to have anything to do with a former Skin at this point.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by artmonkforhallofamein07

I think it is what it is at this point. Cooley coming out and saying it is slightly different because he brings some validity to it.

Give the kid a healthy offseason to study and work on his mechanics and we see a good III next year. Last year all we ever heard from everyone (Cooley included) was Robert was a leader, a great locker room guy, humble, and the best QB they have had in a while.

Griffin will use this whole season to motivate him as well as his own personal drive to have an enormous impact on our 2014 season.

I hope cousins does well, it bodes for good value and a possible one or two extra picks in April for the new regime.

Nobody is going to give you two picks for a backup, and if they did they would be a mid rounder and a low rounder that probably wouldn't make the squad. You base Cousin's worth on 3 games worth of work from last season, emphasis on last season. Matt Flynn and others have wrecked the market for second string QBs. If a team needs a starter or backup, they can just draft one. Also, what if Cousins bombs in his 3 game stint? His trade value would evaporate immediately. Too many guys in here are banking on something that is far from a sure thing. Also, if Cousins does do very well, are you going to get rid of him and keep Grossman? What if RG III truly is a bust? Then you have no viable QB and another good 3-5 seasons of shitball to watch or bitch about!