The everything Gruden thread

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by Rotten1980

I've seen enough. He's not pro HC material and you can't tell me there won't be legit HC candidates available at seasons end. Things that tell me Gruden is a loser:
History. He had elite talent at many positions in Cincy and still ALWAYS lost the big game.
Leadership. He doesn't have any. You look for a well prepared and focused team, and hasn't mustered that in a single game this season.
More on leadership, he's completely failed handling the QB situation. You don't shit on the only QB to lead a team to the playoffs in almost 10 years, especially when the rest of your group is playing like garbage.
Individual player concerns. Trent Williams is a good example. He's fat slow and undisciplined under Gruden. That tells me he's not buying in, he went from a pro bowl LT to subpar in less than a season.
Playcalling and game decisions. Need I say more after today? It's worse than Zorn. Enough said.

Personally I'd like a really tough defense minded coach to come in as HC. It's time for a clean sweep of the coaching staff. I hope Snyder has already started the search.

Trent Williams has been playing hurt. He literally limped to the huddle after every play today. He held the guy he was matched up against because he was hurt. Trent did not have a good game overall and had a few bad plays

He was hurt in a game that means nothing he still went out and gave maximum effort. He was chasing the defender down the field after the turnover.

You are wrong about Williams.

[Rotten1980]

Originally Posted by DYoungJelly

Trent Williams has been playing hurt. He literally limped to the huddle after every play today. He held the guy he was matched up against because he was hurt. Trent did not have a good game overall and had a few bad plays

He was hurt in a game that means nothing he still went out and gave maximum effort. He was chasing the defender down the field after the turnover.

You are wrong about Williams.

I didn't see him limping. Saw him standing still on many plays. At least 2 penalties and I think 2 sacks on him. He also looks about 25 lbs heavier with pure fat around the middle. Slow and unmotivated. But ok we can agree to disagree on Trent.

There's other key players who've regressed under Gruden. Morris. D Young. Garçon. I think the scheme mostly sucks and Gruden doesn't know how to adjust his offense around players skill, which is factor número uno to be a great coach. It's what makes Belichick the best coach on football today. His offensive scheme has morphed around his players, the offense today is thing like what he and Brady did with Moss for instance.

Gruden hasn't shown anything that deserves keeping this job. I can't find one thing he's doing well or better than his predecessor. So it's like if we can't find somebody better, that's a shame. It all starts with the HC.

[mlmdub130]

Originally Posted by Rotten1980

I didn't see him limping. Saw him standing still on many plays. At least 2 penalties and I think 2 sacks on him. He also looks about 25 lbs heavier with pure fat around the middle. Slow and unmotivated. But ok we can agree to disagree on Trent.



There's other key players who've regressed under Gruden. Morris. D Young. Garçon. I think the scheme mostly sucks and Gruden doesn't know how to adjust his offense around players skill, which is factor número uno to be a great coach. It's what makes Belichick the best coach on football today. His offensive scheme has morphed around his players, the offense today is thing like what he and Brady did with Moss for instance.



Gruden hasn't shown anything that deserves keeping this job. I can't find one thing he's doing well or better than his predecessor. So it's like if we can't find somebody better, that's a shame. It all starts with the HC.

You really couldn't be more wrong about Trent. That dude is a baller, been playing hurt all year in games that mean nothing, still gives everything he has for this team.

And what if the Redskins can't find any better with regards to head coach? You honestly think guys are jumping at the idea of coming to coach this team? Especially now that it looks like we are back to square one at the QB position. Gotta get back to reality man, this team flat out sucks. We fall flat on our face week in and week out. The skins are 3-17 over their last 20 games with two different head coaches, and 3 different QB's. That's not a sign of bad coaching, it's a sign of a poorly run franchise. I really don't think firing Gruden after one season helps us in anyway.

[Rotten1980]

Originally Posted by mlmdub130

You really couldn't be more wrong about Trent. That dude is a baller, been playing hurt all year in games that mean nothing, still gives everything he has for this team.

And what if the Redskins can't find any better with regards to head coach? You honestly think guys are jumping at the idea of coming to coach this team? Especially now that it looks like we are back to square one at the QB position. Gotta get back to reality man, this team flat out sucks. We fall flat on our face week in and week out. The skins are 3-17 over their last 20 games with two different head coaches, and 3 different QB's. That's not a sign of bad coaching, it's a sign of a poorly run franchise. I really don't think firing Gruden after one season helps us in anyway.

You bring up a good point about coaching candidates. Maybe looking at Grudens class is helpful? Cleveland, Detroit, Houston, Tampa all got new coaches along with DC. The only team with elite talent is Detroit, but every team improved a lot record wise with Tampa an exception. Though they just kicked Grudens teeth in lol. He was the worst hire. Why can't we do better?? That's really what I'm asking, every season quality HC talent is available, why do we have to end up with a loser who's totally over his head. It's zorn.2 but y'all don't want to accept it yet.

[Bangee7]

Originally Posted by Rotten1980

You bring up a good point about coaching candidates. Maybe looking at Grudens class is helpful? Cleveland, Detroit, Houston, Tampa all got new coaches along with DC. The only team with elite talent is Detroit, but every team improved a lot record wise with Tampa an exception. Though they just kicked Grudens teeth in lol. He was the worst hire. Why can't we do better?? That's really what I'm asking, every season quality HC talent is available, why do we have to end up with a loser who's totally over his head. It's zorn.2 but y'all don't want to accept it yet.

We can't do better because we fire coaches too quickly - exactly what you're proposing.

That's the reason we had to settle for Zorn.
IMO, we have a talent issue in several key areas (o-line, CB/S). Even the great Lombardi would struggle to coach some of these guys up.