By Popular Demand. Should the Skins FIRE Jay Gruden? Thread

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by MTK

If we lose these last 3 games and aren’t competitive I can understand JG being on the hot seat.

Otherwise bring him back.

Let's think through this for a second.

His squad goes out and lays two complete eggs in a row against Dallas and the Chargers. The last three games they look much more competitive, and go 1-2 or 2-1.

Are you willing to overlook the two eggs laid against Dallas and the Chargers? If so, I'm curious why.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Let's think through this for a second.



His squad goes out and lays two complete eggs in a row against Dallas and the Chargers. The last three games they look much more competitive, and go 1-2 or 2-1.



Are you willing to overlook the two eggs laid against Dallas and the Chargers? If so, I'm curious why.

Because laying two eggs late in the season won’t overshadow all the injuries and the fact we were generally more competitive than not all year.

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by MTK

Because laying two eggs late in the season won’t overshadow all the injuries and the fact we were generally more competitive than not all year.

Agreed. I'm really pissed at Jay for quitting in the Chargers game and admitting to it.

However let's not forget about the Seahawks game, the Saints game, the Chiefs game, the Rams game etc...

The previous 2 seasons and this team being competitive through all the injuries (until 2 weeks ago that is) are enough to give him another shot: he's not perfect but he may very well be a lot better than who we'd end up with if he's fired.

As Irish said above, this place isn't especially appealing to a good HC right now... And canning the only coach who came close to building something good in the last 20 years or so wouldn't help improve the image of this organisation in the eyes of a competent candidate.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by MTK

Because laying two eggs late in the season won’t overshadow all the injuries and the fact we were generally more competitive than not all year.

Yet these two eggs are coming at a time when we're healthier than we were against New Orleans and Seattle.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Yet these two eggs are coming at a time when we're healthier than we were against New Orleans and Seattle.

You sure about that? The IR list has only continued to grow week to week

https://www.pro-football-reference.c...7_injuries.htm

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by MTK

You sure about that? The IR list has only continued to grow week to week

https://www.pro-football-reference.c...7_injuries.htm

Scherff, Williams, and Moses all playing. They're obviously our three best offensive linemen. Cousins hasn't missed a start. Doctson, Crowder, Vernon Davis, Ryan Grant, Niles Paul all playing. Why again couldn't we score more than 6 points on offense on Sunday?

Ioannidis got his cast off Sunday. Kerrigan, Preston, Junior and Ryan Anderson all healthy. Secondary all healthy except for Montae. Zach Brown still on the field. Explain why DJ thinks cheating over to cover Allen is the right move when Norman thinks he's got safety help on the Tyrell Williams bomb. Either DJ messed that up, or Norman messed that up. Gruden said DJ messed it up. So why then is your opening day free safety messing that up? Could it be that he wasn't coached well?

Why don't players know their assignments going into the game?

Please Matty, you've become the ultimate excuse-maker.

[metalskins]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Yet these two eggs are coming at a time when we're healthier than we were against New Orleans and Seattle.

This team isn't healthier. You can tell by how gassed the defense gets after one half of a football game. That comes from having nobody to rotate in. The offense isn't healthier. We have one running back. Half of the offensive line out on IR, and the guys playing are all playing hurt. Our back ups to the backups to the other backups continue to get hurt. Our best receiver is Ryan Grant. He shouldn't be anywhere near a starting lineup. How Gruden was able to keep this team competitive up until the last two weeks has been nothing short of amazing. He's literally fielding a team of third stringers and practice squad guys. Kirk Cousins has been the only constant starter throughout the season.

If anything, those two eggs are indicative to the fact that this team has ran out of juice, physically. The players who have check out mentally, the ones Swearinger was calling out, is an indictment on Bruce Allen, not Jay Gruden. I believe Gruden is doing everything he can do to get the players ready, but if they're still asking questions about assignments 5 minutes before the game, that is a sign that A) The coach has nobody else to put in and B) the front office has done a lousy job at player acquisition.

I don't care who the coach is, as long as you have the wrong people in charge with bringing in guys to complete the roster, the head coach will never be truly successful, save for a mirage of a good season sprinkled in here or there. The first guy that needs to be looked at it Bruce Allen. His handling of the Kirk Cousins contract talks, the RGIII situation, his handling of Scot McCloughan's firing, his overall poor winning % under his direction (GMs share in the win/loss ratio as well), his inability to bring in solid mid-season acquisitions to give the team a fighting chance, and his inability to find solid contributors in the lower rounds of the draft. There is more than enough to boot Allen to the curb. And if you think Gruden has been a failure, then that also reflects on Bruce Allen's inability to hire the right guy for the job. It's been one big cluster under Allen, and that's the first place I look at if I'm Dan Snyder.

[irish]

Originally Posted by metalskins

This team isn't healthier. You can tell by how gassed the defense gets after one half of a football game. That comes from having nobody to rotate in. The offense isn't healthier. We have one running back. Half of the offensive line out on IR, and the guys playing are all playing hurt. Our back ups to the backups to the other backups continue to get hurt. Our best receiver is Ryan Grant. He shouldn't be anywhere near a starting lineup. How Gruden was able to keep this team competitive up until the last two weeks has been nothing short of amazing. He's literally fielding a team of third stringers and practice squad guys. Kirk Cousins has been the only constant starter throughout the season.

If anything, those two eggs are indicative to the fact that this team has ran out of juice, physically. The players who have check out mentally, the ones Swearinger was calling out, is an indictment on Bruce Allen, not Jay Gruden. I believe Gruden is doing everything he can do to get the players ready, but if they're still asking questions about assignments 5 minutes before the game, that is a sign that A) The coach has nobody else to put in and B) the front office has done a lousy job at player acquisition.

I don't care who the coach is, as long as you have the wrong people in charge with bringing in guys to complete the roster, the head coach will never be truly successful, save for a mirage of a good season sprinkled in here or there. The first guy that needs to be looked at it Bruce Allen. His handling of the Kirk Cousins contract talks, the RGIII situation, his handling of Scot McCloughan's firing, his overall poor winning % under his direction (GMs share in the win/loss ratio as well), his inability to bring in solid mid-season acquisitions to give the team a fighting chance, and his inability to find solid contributors in the lower rounds of the draft. There is more than enough to boot Allen to the curb. And if you think Gruden has been a failure, then that also reflects on Bruce Allen's inability to hire the right guy for the job. It's been one big cluster under Allen, and that's the first place I look at if I'm Dan Snyder.

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[Buffalo Bob]

Originally Posted by metalskins

This team isn't healthier. You can tell by how gassed the defense gets after one half of a football game. That comes from having nobody to rotate in. The offense isn't healthier. We have one running back. Half of the offensive line out on IR, and the guys playing are all playing hurt. Our back ups to the backups to the other backups continue to get hurt. Our best receiver is Ryan Grant. He shouldn't be anywhere near a starting lineup. How Gruden was able to keep this team competitive up until the last two weeks has been nothing short of amazing. He's literally fielding a team of third stringers and practice squad guys. Kirk Cousins has been the only constant starter throughout the season.

Gruden is playing with a deck stacked against him but I feel he is responsible for stacking the deck. During his tenure it is pretty obvious the Redskins are on the wrong end of the injury reports, it is starting to become more than coincidence, something isn't right. What it is I do not know, but it appears to be more than just bad luck.

[metalskins]

Originally Posted by Buffalo Bob

Gruden is playing with a deck stacked against him but I feel he is responsible for stacking the deck. During his tenure it is pretty obvious the Redskins are on the wrong end of the injury reports, it is starting to become more than coincidence, something isn't right. What it is I do not know, but it appears to be more than just bad luck.

I absolutely do put a lot of blame on Jay Gruden for a number of things. I don't believe Jay Gruden is benign to criticism at all. And ultimately, if the Redskins were able to bring in a GM who actually has power and is competent enough to use said power, then that guy decides Gruden's fate, and picks the new head coach, who in turn must be able to pick a competent coaching staff. That is task number one for that head coach. If he fails at this, he's going to fail at being a head coach even before you get to X's and O's. I am definitely down with that. All I'm saying is, you can fire Jay Gruden, replace him with Vince Lombardi, and it's going to be the same issues as long as Bruce Allen has the final say in everything.