Ukraine mega thread

[SunnySide]

Valid arguments to be made against the job Zelensky has done as a president?

We given 50B to Ukraine this year, and a lot of that was equipment and training. Not cash money.

Trump gave farmers 51.2 BILLION in 2020 even though the farmer net income increased 4% that year. Thats just vote buying.

52 BILLION per year to stay in Afghanistan .. and yall wanted us to stay in afghanistan

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But yeah pearl clutch when an ally of ours is being killed and an entire country is being invaded

Go ahead and be anti ukraine since dems are pro ukraine

"but but but .. now we care about the budget and deficit .."

Shut the fuck up donny

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

Valid arguments to be made against the job Zelensky has done as a president?

We given 50B to Ukraine this year, and a lot of that was equipment and training. Not cash money.

Trump gave farmers 51.2 BILLION in 2020 even though the farmer net income increased 4% that year. Thats just vote buying.

52 BILLION per year to stay in Afghanistan .. and yall wanted us to stay in afghanistan

----

But yeah pearl clutch when an ally of ours is being killed and an entire country is being invaded

Go ahead and be anti ukraine since dems are pro ukraine

"but but but .. now we care about the budget and deficit .."

Shut the fuck up donny

We given 50B to Ukraine this year, and a lot of that was equipment and training. Not cash money.

It still cost us 50 billion dollars. Doesn't really matter what form the money turns into. Me personally, I don't think there are any good options dealing with a lunatic like Putin. But I'd rather it be our money than our soldiers. So I haven't been complaining about this. But I think you could make arguments against spending all of this money on Ukraine. In regards to Zelenskyy, he has been President since May 2019. Russia didn't invade until this year. I was talking about his presidency as a whole, not saying he has done a bad job in regards to Russia specifically.

Trump gave farmers 51.2 BILLION in 2020 even though the farmer net income increased 4% that year. Thats just vote buying.

I don't support this. I don't think the federal government should be subsidizing any private businesses/industries.

52 BILLION per year to stay in Afghanistan .. and yall wanted us to stay in afghanistan

I absolutely did not want us to stay in Afghanistan!!!!!!

My main point I was trying to make was, that even if I absolutely hated Zelenskyy and our handling of Ukraine, if I was in congress, I'd still go to this and stand the fuck up, then listen like an adult.

P.S.

- I am not anti-Ukraine
- I have always cared about the budget and deficits.

[SunnySide]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

P.S.

- I am not anti-Ukraine
- I have always cared about the budget and deficits.

yes you always have.

Cheers SD and merry christmas my man

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

yes you always have.

Cheers SD and merry christmas my man

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

We given 50B to Ukraine this year, and a lot of that was equipment and training. Not cash money.

It still cost us 50 billion dollars. Doesn't really matter what form the money turns into. Me personally, I don't think there are any good options dealing with a lunatic like Putin. But I'd rather it be our money than our soldiers. So I haven't been complaining about this. But I think you could make arguments against spending all of this money on Ukraine. In regards to Zelenskyy, he has been President since May 2019. Russia didn't invade until this year. I was talking about his presidency as a whole, not saying he has done a bad job in regards to Russia specifically.

Trump gave farmers 51.2 BILLION in 2020 even though the farmer net income increased 4% that year. Thats just vote buying.

I don't support this. I don't think the federal government should be subsidizing any private businesses/industries.

52 BILLION per year to stay in Afghanistan .. and yall wanted us to stay in afghanistan

I absolutely did not want us to stay in Afghanistan!!!!!!

My main point I was trying to make was, that even if I absolutely hated Zelenskyy and our handling of Ukraine, if I was in congress, I'd still go to this and stand the fuck up, then listen like an adult.

P.S.

- I am not anti-Ukraine
- I have always cared about the budget and deficits.

I’d say that it would probably cost more than $50 billion to not do anything. No matter what fighting for democracy is going to cost $.

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

I’d say that it would probably cost more than $50 billion to not do anything. No matter what fighting for democracy is going to cost $.

Very good point. Could definitely be the case. I don't envy Biden for having to deal with this situation.

Someone in Russia just needs to man/woman/non-binary the fuck up, and kill Putin.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

Very good point. Could definitely be the case. I don't envy Biden for having to deal with this situation.

Someone in Russia just needs to man/woman/non-binary the fuck up, and kill Putin.

killing Putin doesn't solve this. If anything, those who would have his job are more Stalin-esque than he is. The war in Ukraine is as much a fight for the successor to Putin as anything. That's why Wagner is determined to take Bakhmut so he has a victory to tout in Russia.

The only way to end this is for Ukraine to kick the Russian forces out and set up defensive borders. At that point Belarus will topple Lukashenko, and the RF will likely see it's internal borders as more of a concern.

[nonniey]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

Valid arguments to be made against the job Zelensky has done as a president?

We given 50B to Ukraine this year, and a lot of that was equipment and training. Not cash money.

Trump gave farmers 51.2 BILLION in 2020 even though the farmer net income increased 4% that year. Thats just vote buying.

52 BILLION per year to stay in Afghanistan .. and yall wanted us to stay in afghanistan

----

But yeah pearl clutch when an ally of ours is being killed and an entire country is being invaded

Go ahead and be anti ukraine since dems are pro ukraine

"but but but .. now we care about the budget and deficit .."

Shut the fuck up donny

Supporting Ukraine is within the US interest as what has happened to Russia has almost certainly caused China to rethink any move against Taiwan. Plus, can anyone deny how effectively the Ukrainians have used that support?

I think the arguments against the support for Ukraine and or the attacks on Zelensky are based on either ignorance (not realizing how much it is in our interests to do so) or political tribalism or both. After our completely unnecessary surrender in Afghanistan (costs over the last few years were a fraction of that 52 billion you mentioned) it was predicted that our adversaries would get more aggressive. Heck I even said on this board that because of this Russia, China and Iran would make moves that would cost us a heck of a lot more than what we had recently been spending in Afghanistan (and boy was I right).