Bill Parcells is overrated!!!

[ncskinsfanec]

I'm not saying Parcells is highly overrated, his record speaks for itself. But lately his performance hasn't matched the media's hype of him. My post was meant to be more of referendum on the press who fawns and gushes all over him, but seem to have forgotten Gibbs great and superior track record.

[The Huddle]

Originally Posted by ncskinsfanec

I'm not saying Parcells is highly overrated, his record speaks for itself. But lately his performance hasn't matched the media's hype of him. My post was meant to be more of referendum on the press who fawns and gushes all over him, but seem to have forgotten Gibbs great and superior track record.

I think the press has been doing Gibbs a favor as far as this goes. Despite last year's playoff win, Gibbs II has been a major disappointment thus far- double digits in the loss column two of three years. I love Gibbs but with 26 losses in his last 47 games, as opposed to Parcells 3 winning seasons in four years with Dallas, I'm glad the press isn't comparing him to Parcells at the moment.

[ncskinsfanec]

For all you sensitive people out there I think both Gibbs and Parcells are two of the all-time great coaches the league has ever seen. Now you can stop whining about me being unfair to Mr. Parcells! Have a Happy New Year!

[ncskinsfanec]

Only Tony Dungy can compare to the class act that Joe Gibbs is. Like I've said before, he's just as good of person as he is football coach. I bet he couldn't believe it when the idiot down in Atlanta Jim Mora Jr. was openly pleading for the University of Washington job or when Belichick was caught having an affair with a married woman. The NFL needs more class acts like Gibbs.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by dmek25

what does overrated mean in your eyes? not winning the super bowl? all i know is i wouldn't take anyone over coach Gibbs, but if he were to retire, and parcells wanted to take over, i would be happy. and as far as bellichek, don't get me started. he was going no where fast in new england until drew bledsoe gets hurt. and he wasn't even thinking about making a qback change. and the rest, as they say, is history. how well did he do with the talent less browns? its all about the players, my friend

If you rate coaches this way then Gibbs is at the bottom at this time. Bellicheck has done a great job getting his players to play over their potential. The guy has to get credit for what he has done.

[Paintrain]

I've been saying that about Parcells for years.. Yes he won 2 Super Bowls so I'll give due respect for that, but his record isn't standout and he hasn't won a playoff game in over 10 years. Parcells gets all that pub for 2 simple reasons, he is a great soundbite/media favorite and he coached in the areas where he can maximize his media exposure (NYG, NYJ, NE-ESPN's backyard and Dallas). If he coached the Seahawks, Chiefs, Browns and Titans and had the same record and same presence he would be regarded as a good coach but nowhere revered as he is now.

[ncskinsfanec]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

I've been saying that about Parcells for years.. Yes he won 2 Super Bowls so I'll give due respect for that, but his record isn't standout and he hasn't won a playoff game in over 10 years. Parcells gets all that pub for 2 simple reasons, he is a great soundbite/media favorite and he coached in the areas where he can maximize his media exposure (NYG, NYJ, NE-ESPN's backyard and Dallas). If he coached the Seahawks, Chiefs, Browns and Titans and had the same record and same presence he would be regarded as a good coach but nowhere revered as he is now.

Excellent post! Great Points!

[The Huddle]

A few things...

1. No question Parcells is a "personality" in addition to being a great coach. He's charismatic in his own weird way, a reliable quote, and the press eats it up. This has a lot to do with why they fawn over him.

2. This in no way makes him "overrated". Bill Parcells won two Super Bowls with the Giants (with two different QBs), took the Patriots to another, and had the Jets in the AFC title game one year.

3. Parcells owns Gibbs in head-to-head meetings. This isn't my opinion, it's a demonstrable fact. He holds a solid edge in their lifetime meetings, is 1-0 in playoff meetings, and is the only coach ever to beat Gibbs three times in one season.

Coaches that have won more than one Super Bowl: Vince Lombardi, Don Shula, Chuck Noll, Tom Flores, Joe Gibbs, Bill Parcells, Jimmy Johnson, George Seifert, Bill Walsh, Mike Shannahan, Bill Belichick. Not exactly a pool of mediocrity.

Coaches who have won the Super Bowl with more than one different starting quarterback: Gibbs (3), Parcells (2), George Seifert (2).

Coaches who have taken more than one team to the Super Bowl: Don Shula, Parcells, Dick Vermeil, Dan Reeves.

The Super Bowl has been around for 40 years. If Parcells is so overrated, how come these lists aren't longer? Why is his name the only one which appears on all three lists?

Plus if people are going to rip Parcells for having done so little without Belichick, you also have to acknowledge that Gibbs is a rather timid 20-26 without the vastly underrated Ritchie Petitbon.

Parcells is one of the greats; I really can't see saying he's "overrated".

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by The Huddle

A few things...

1. No question Parcells is a "personality" in addition to being a great coach. He's charismatic in his own weird way, a reliable quote, and the press eats it up. This has a lot to do with why they fawn over him.

2. This in no way makes him "overrated". Bill Parcells won two Super Bowls with the Giants (with two different QBs), took the Patriots to another, and had the Jets in the AFC title game one year.

3. Parcells owns Gibbs in head-to-head meetings. This isn't my opinion, it's a demonstrable fact. He holds a solid edge in their lifetime meetings, is 1-0 in playoff meetings, and is the only coach ever to beat Gibbs three times in one season.

Coaches that have won more than one Super Bowl: Vince Lombardi, Don Shula, Chuck Noll, Tom Flores, Joe Gibbs, Bill Parcells, Jimmy Johnson, George Seifert, Bill Walsh, Mike Shannahan, Bill Belichick. Not exactly a pool of mediocrity.

Coaches who have won the Super Bowl with more than one different starting quarterback: Gibbs (3), Parcells (2), George Seifert (2).

Coaches who have taken more than one team to the Super Bowl: Don Shula, Parcells, Dick Vermeil, Dan Reeves.

The Super Bowl has been around for 40 years. If Parcells is so overrated, how come these lists aren't longer? Why is his name the only one which appears on all three lists?

Plus if people are going to rip Parcells for having done so little without Belichick, you also have to acknowledge that Gibbs is a rather timid 20-26 without the vastly underrated Ritchie Petitbon.

Parcells is one of the greats; I really can't see saying he's "overrated".

great to hear someone who respects a person for the accomplishment, not just bash the guy for coaching an arch rival. To say Parcells is over rated is just crazy. the guy is a great coach...period!

[ncskinsfanec]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

great to hear someone who respects a person for the accomplishment, not just bash the guy for coaching an arch rival. To say Parcells is over rated is just crazy. the guy is a great coach...period!

I'm not bashing him for coaching an arch rival (although it doesn't help), I just think as of late he's been more of a showman than great coach. There's no denying he did a great job in New York (Giants and Jets) and New England. However, the press fawns all over him yet he hasn't won a single playoff game since 1998. For all of Gibbs stuggles thus far in his comeback attempt at least he's been able to win at least one!

[BrunellMVP?]

Originally Posted by ncskinsfanec

Bill Parcells gets all this press for being a great coach, but the man hasn't done squat since he parted ways with Bellichick. I hate to hear these uninformed supposed sports experts gush all over Parcells when he hasn't won a playoff game since 1998. Parcells couldn't carry Joe Gibbs jockstrap. Gibbs is a far superior coach even though it has been a tough season this year. In 15 years this will be only Gibbs 3rd losing season, in 19 seasons Parcells has five. Gibbs has a 17-6 playoff record while Parcells is only 11-7. I think there's only one active coach on Gibbs level and that would have to be the aforementioned Bellichick, who's not even close to Gibbs when it comes to class and professionalism.

I love Joe, but i think he's outsourced his job...which means i think he's lost confidence in himself. He brought in Williams and Saunders- both excellent coaches, now we hear we need a GM...leaving Gibbs to do what???

[freddyg12]

I certainly wouldn't go so far as to call the tuna overated, he's got a great track record including his current team. For all of their recent problems, Dallas has a lot going for it & Parcells built that D, which should be pretty good for at least a few more years. It is hard to ignore that his team has been blown out in their last 2 big games at home.
My only gripe w/the media is that Parcells got so much credit for an overachieving team that made the playoffs in his 1st year w/dallas, yet it seemed Gibbs did not recieve much praise for taking the Skins to the 2nd round of the playoffs last year.
I think it's simply because of Snyder & his cool relationship w/the press. Plus Gibbs doesn't give them many forthright and direct answers, whereas Parcells is full of sound bites as a few here have mentioned.

[Blue Star]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

My only gripe w/the media is that Parcells got so much credit for an overachieving team that made the playoffs in his 1st year w/dallas, yet it seemed Gibbs did not recieve much praise for taking the Skins to the 2nd round of the playoffs last year.

are you deaf?

Greg Williams took all of Gibbs mojo during last year. There was sooooo much talk about the defense of Greg Williams and "hes so good he will probably be a headcoach some where next year." Gibbs didnt have anything to do with the defense only the struggling offense.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by Blue Star

are you deaf?

Greg Williams took all of Gibbs mojo during last year. There was sooooo much talk about the defense of Greg Williams and "hes so good he will probably be a headcoach some where next year." Gibbs didnt have anything to do with the defense only the struggling offense.

Then why does Tony Dungy get any credit when Indy wins a game? He has nothing to do with any of their wins.

[Blue Star]

Originally Posted by celts32

Then why does Tony Dungy get any credit when Indy wins a game? He has nothing to do with any of their wins.

says who? Its more like Peyton does than Dungy.