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[jsarno]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

So I guess your not a Vince Young fan huh??

Give the guy some credit. Some of the things he does simply do not show up in the stat sheet. Plus he has no WR's to speak of. To say his completion % is a fluke is simply riducules.

Ummm no. I'm not a fan. He is a terrible QB. Great scrambler...he's up there with Vick as one of the best ever, but in the pocket, he is terrible, one of the worst in the league.

Why is it ridiculous? If you have no qb to throw you the ball, you won't have good numbers as a WR. He throws the ball all over the place.

If a team decided to take the MLB and shadow Young to neutralize him, they would win. Tennessee HAS to have Young scramble all day long or they will lose cause his arm will not win them games.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Ummm no. I'm not a fan. He is a terrible QB. Great scrambler...he's up there with Vick as one of the best ever, but in the pocket, he is terrible, one of the worst in the league.

Why is it ridiculous? If you have no qb to throw you the ball, you won't have good numbers as a WR. He throws the ball all over the place.

If a team decided to take the MLB and shadow Young to neutralize him, they would win. Tennessee HAS to have Young scramble all day long or they will lose cause his arm will not win them games.

To say he is a terrible QB is almost funny. Rex Grossman is a terrible QB

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

To say he is a terrible QB is almost funny. Rex Grossman is a terrible QB

I'm not going to argue that. Although, if Grossman had Young's legs, he'd be a better QB. Look at the numbers, Grossman passes better. But since Grossman can't run, he's awful.
Look back at what I said. I separated his scrambling skills from his actual QB skills. We'll call them throwing skills. His scrambling is second to none, his throwing is one of the worst in the league.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by jsarno

I'm not going to argue that. Although, if Grossman had Young's legs, he'd be a better QB. Look at the numbers, Grossman passes better. But since Grossman can't run, he's awful.
Look back at what I said. I separated his scrambling skills from his actual QB skills. We'll call them throwing skills. His scrambling is second to none, his throwing is one of the worst in the league.

I will strongly disagree with Grossman passes better. Grossman is a thrower, not a passer and there is a huge huge difference.

Scrambling is part of having good QB skills. Quarterbacking isn't just pure pocket passing. Some guys are playmakers, not just pure passers. I think Young is starting to really learning how to do both and that is why he was drafted above Leinart.

One telling stat about the guy is he has something like a 130 passing rating in the 4th q. Plus has 5 or 6 game winning drives. Plus the guy was voted team captain. All very impressive stuff for a 2nd year qb who doesn't even have a full season under his belt.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I will strongly disagree with Grossman passes better. Grossman is a thrower, not a passer and there is a huge huge difference.

OK, even though you're splitting hairs there, I agree...he is a thrower, but don't think Young isn't either. Grossman threw for more yards, and td's, and the measuring stick is the comp% which Grossman was better. You already know that I feel Grossman stinks and deserves to be benched. While I do not think Young needs to be benched due ONLY to his ability to scramble, I do feel his passing / throwing is one of, if not the worst in the NFL. He's not accurate at all.

Scrambling is part of having good QB skills. Quarterbacking isn't just pure pocket passing. Some guys are playmakers, not just pure passers. I think Young is starting to really learning how to do both and that is why he was drafted above Leinart.

I'll wait more than 3 games before I make that assessment. I only saw him play well vs the Saints, and 1 game won't make me change my mind. Maybe you're right though, and we'll see later. I will absolutely change my mind about him when I see him making the throws in the pocket that make a good QB a good QB. Let's be frank here...the game is centered around pocket passing. Look at Campbell...I LOVE this kid. He can throw in the pocket, and if NEED BE, he will then take off. That's what I want to see out of QB's, and that is what turns a scrambler into a good QB. Steve Young learned it, and McNabb learned it...Young needs to learn it too.

One telling stat about the guy is he has something like a 130 passing rating in the 4th q. Plus has 5 or 6 game winning drives. Plus the guy was voted team captain. All very impressive stuff for a 2nd year qb who doesn't even have a full season under his belt.

Those are not "telling signs" when as you mention, he has less than one year under his belt. They are telling signs when he has a few years under his belt. All he needs to do is perform poorly in 2 games in the 4th, and those numbers look average at best.
He is most certainly a spark plug for the Titans, gotta give him that much, and he has been a part of several winning drives, which is great. But he can have 200 game winning drives, if he never makes / wins in the playoffs, no one will care. (time will tell on that one)
Mentally I am not sure he's ready for being a captain. Look at his preseason when he purposely didn't show up for practice, and then didn't go on the road with team instead staying in his own home...KNOWING what would happen...also the fight he got into in preseason. That's not a captain if you ask me...but who else will you give it to on offense there? Not many choices.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Ummm no. I'm not a fan. He is a terrible QB. Great scrambler...he's up there with Vick as one of the best ever, but in the pocket, he is terrible, one of the worst in the league.

Why is it ridiculous? If you have no qb to throw you the ball, you won't have good numbers as a WR. He throws the ball all over the place.

If a team decided to take the MLB and shadow Young to neutralize him, they would win. Tennessee HAS to have Young scramble all day long or they will lose cause his arm will not win them games.

Don't you think "terrible" is a bit extreme? I think he's shown real improvement over the past several games and is becoming a more complete QB overall.

I'd probably say the Titans are my 2nd favorite team, and I remember really wanting them to draft Leinart but the more I watch Young the more pleased I am with the selection.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Don't you think "terrible" is a bit extreme? I think he's shown real improvement over the past several games and is becoming a more complete QB overall.

I'd probably say the Titans are my 2nd favorite team, and I remember really wanting them to draft Leinart but the more I watch Young the more pleased I am with the selection.

I will say this, he looked a lot better last week vs the Saints, but who can't get back on track vs the Saints. Every once in a while Vick would do well throwing the ball too. I'd like to see him play a good defense and do well. He played Jacksonville and only passed for 78 yards...78 yards!
Even in the Saints game the WR's had to make a lot of adjustments to catch his throws, but he was more on the money than he had been.
After the bye they have Atlanta...this year's doormat. So I am not expecting him to fail miserably there. But the two games after that are at Tampa, and at Houston, and I feel the titan will lose both those games, and it will be because Young won't be able to beat them with his arm.